Bally 1088 code 92 /93

[Jimm]

My Bally 2 quarter 1088 is acting up with a second or third reel not stopping.  I plug the machine in and drop one or two quarters in, if I hear the coins go into the lower cabinet collection box the machine runs fine.  If the coins go into the hopper the second or third reel will not stop and the machine goes into tilt with a 92 or 93 error code.   Opening the door and hitting the rest switch clears the tilt and when you close the door you can play for as long as you want without any more spinning reels and tilt indicators.  I think the coil that directs the coins into the hopper or lower collection box must be engaging and causing the tilt code but can not find any info to direct me to the problem.  I did swap the third reel board with the second reel board and then the spinning reel sometimes is the second reel but not always.  I also saw tonight that a code 50 -door open code came after the tilt code appeared but before I opened the door to hit the reset switch.  Any ideas are appreciated.  Jim

[proten]

Here is the code list for the Bally E series slot.
Hope this helps.

Paul

[Amachanic]

My Bally 2 quarter 1088 is acting up with a second or third reel not stopping.  I plug the machine in and drop one or two quarters in, if I hear the coins go into the lower cabinet collection box the machine runs fine.  If the coins go into the hopper the second or third reel will not stop and the machine goes into tilt with a 92 or 93 error code.   Opening the door and hitting the rest switch clears the tilt and when you close the door you can play for as long as you want without any more spinning reels and tilt indicators.  I think the coil that directs the coins into the hopper or lower collection box must be engaging and causing the tilt code but can not find any info to direct me to the problem.  I did swap the third reel board with the second reel board and then the spinning reel sometimes is the second reel but not always.  I also saw tonight that a code 50 -door open code came after the tilt code appeared but before I opened the door to hit the reset switch.  Any ideas are appreciated.  Jim

Hi... The codes 92 & 93 are the second and third reel readers, could just need to be adjusted. As for the first coins going down the over flow shoot, thats normal for these machines, and after that for them to go into the hopper is normal. The code 50 door code could just be that the door switch on the lower hinge needs to be adjusted..

[Jimm]

How do you adjust the reel reader optics?  I did swap 2 and 3 but was not aware of any adjustment, the screw holes are slightly slotted holding the reader boards.  Thanks for the code list.  Jim

[Amachanic]

You want the disk that goes between the reel reader to be closer to the left side. I usually try to get mine within 1/16th of an inch. Spin the reel to make sure your not rubbing the disk on the reel reader..

[proten]

Foxsslots offers to rebuild you readers if they are bad.
You can find it on the banner above.

Paul

[Jimm]

The reader board adjustment has cleared the codes 92 and 93 at this time.  I plugged the game in last night after leaving it sit for a couple hours and dropped a quarter in, the coin went into the hopper not through to the cabinet coin shute, I pulled the lever to spin the reels.  Reel one stopped, reel two stopped, reel three did not stop and the tilt light went on with a code 50.  50 is a door switch code I believe.  To isolate the door switch I jumpered the switch ,reset the machine and let it sit till today.  Dropped a quarter in and slightly opened the door to see if the third reel reader lights were on.  All five lights on board three were on, pull handle, reel 1 stopped, reel two stopped, reel three did not stop but the lights on the reel board went off while the reel was still spinning.  It sounded like a relay dropped out on the right side of the cabinet at the same time the reader board lights went off, tilt and code 50 on the display. Now is were this thing is driving me crazy, I opened door, pulled on wire off jumpered door switch to reset machine.  The buzzer goes off when the jumped wire is disconnected indicating the door switch circuit is fine, push reset switch connect door switch jumper, close door and machine runs fine.  You can unplug and plug back in and the coin goes to the cabinet chute, only when the machine sits for over 1 or 2 hours will the coin go into hopper with code 50 fault.  Any ideas were to go from here? Will a reader board have all lights out or a few burned out?  What will give a 50 code other than the door switch?  I looked for a second door switch but only found one behine the hinge.  Thanks for reading, if it wasn't snowing in Cleveland I would put this mystery on hold.  Jim

[Amachanic]

Will a reader board have all lights out or a few burned out?  What will give a 50 code other than the door switch?  I looked for a second door switch but only found one behind the hinge.  Thanks for reading, if it wasn't snowing in Cleveland I would put this mystery on hold.  Jim

Jim... The switch on the hinge is the one that would give you the 50 code for door open. You should here it click as the door closes. Is the other switch your jumping at the door lock? That one would give a code 71 if bad. The reel readers have a photo trans that sees the light on the left side and the 5 bulbs on the right side. If one bulb is bad or one of the photo trans the reel won't stop and you should get an error code. I would move the 3rd reel reader to the 1st reel and put the 1st one on #3. If in deed that one is bad, then none of the reel will stop, and you should see a code 41 or possible a code 91.. Barry at Foxsslots does repair them for $20.00. He was selling off some a while back, but they went fast. The only ones he has for sale right now are the 5v ones not the 50v ones..

[Jimm]

I finally got  around to swap reel reader cards between 1 and 3, the 93 code is consistant even after swapping the readers.  If it sits for more than 3 or 4 hours unplugged and you plug it in, drop a quarter in, the quarter will go into the hopper not drop into lower case, pull handle, reel three does not stop, tilt light goes on, 93 code on display.  Open door hit reset button, close door and it will play as long as you want with every thing working fine.  If you plug the machine it after a few minutes the coins go into the lower case as they should and after the first play you can hear the coin coil pick up channeling the coins to the hopper.  Unplug the machine and let it sit to repeat the cycle.  Any ideas? Jim

[Amachanic]

Have you ever checked the battery on the MPU for voltage? It could be possible that the battery needs to be changed. It should have about 3.6v. Only reason I'm thinking battery, is that it gives you problems after its been sitting. Once it's powered up it's fine. The only other thing I might try swapping out if you have one would be the reel reader control board, since the code 93 was still there after moving the #3 reel reader.

[Jimm]

The battery is new and fully charged, I did mount the battery in the remote battery box case and ran two wires to the board were the battery was soldered in.  I wonder if the machine is not reading the voltage correctly?  I do not have a second game that matches this one to swap parts yet.  Thanks for hleping, Jim

[Amachanic]

The more I think about it, your reel reader control board should be ok since the main problem your having is when you first power up and use this machine.  You said you changed the battery from a soldered in one to a changeable type, are they Ni-Cad, and whats the voltage? I know the soldered in one is 3.6v, and if you using 2 AA batterys thats can be any where from 3.2v new to under 3v when used. I don't know if that should or would cause a problem...   

[Jimm]

I bought a Lithium 3.6 volt and put in a single battery holder to prevent board damage if the battery leaked.  Jim

[Amachanic]

These older Ballys use a Ni-Cad battery. Using the Lithium 3.6v battery could be causing the problem, but I'm not 100% sure. I was told by others that you need the Ni-Cad. I would email or call Barry at Foxsslots about the batterys choice. I think has something to do with how they are charged?

[Jimm]

The battery was swapped with a 3.6 volt Ni-cad and sat over night, same problem.  Any suggestions are appreciated, if I find another game with the same parts I will probably buy it to allow me the swap parts between machines.  Jim.

[Amachanic]

Well looking in my book it says that a code 93 is a Position error (2 of the last 8 spins) on reel 3... Now your saying this error code only shows up on start up or first pull? After that you can play the machine without any problems? How long do you play it? The code 93 should clear it's self if the game plays correctly for a while. Kind of sounds like the error code is stuck in the memory some how?? It's possible there is a problem with your MPU board but I'm not 100% sure. I would try contacting Barry Fox at Foxsslot and see what he has to say. I'm sorry I was not able to help you get this fixed...

[tkrozleski]

I just went thru this 92 error code problem. Changed readers, changed reader gap,  changed reel mech board, power supply, I/O board, lubed the entire reel assembly, checked for intereference behind reels and between reels and inside of front door, disengaged reel stop arms and spun the reels to see how they coasted to a stop for  possibly intereference. made sure the machine was stable during pull of handle, no rocking. Went thru all the wiring connections on the readers, reel board, and reel harness. Nothing helped. I changed the dip switch setting on the reel mechanism board to number 3 ON only and the problem is gone.

[ramegoom]

Not sure about your CPU board, but the E2000 CPU boards have a resistor right next to the battery. I believe it allows a trickle charge to the NiCad. If you use a Lithium battery, you need to remove the resistor and insert a diode in the space right next to the resistor (diode is absent if there is a resistor) which prevents the Li battery from being charged.

Far as I know, the E1000 backup batteries work the same as the later boards.

[Amachanic]

I just went thru this 92 error code problem. Changed readers, changed reader gap,  changed reel mech board, power supply, I/O board, lubed the entire reel assembly, checked for intereference behind reels and between reels and inside of front door, disengaged reel stop arms and spun the reels to see how they coasted to a stop for  possibly intereference. made sure the machine was stable during pull of handle, no rocking. Went thru all the wiring connections on the readers, reel board, and reel harness. Nothing helped. I changed the dip switch setting on the reel mechanism board to number 3 ON only and the problem is gone.

Tim,
         What machine was this? Is this one of the ones you just picked up?

Gary

[tkrozleski]

Gary,
Yes the 2 coin E1000 "Green Machine" . I wanted to post it here for future reference.

I do not know if there is a problem with the MPU but changing the dip on the reel mech board fixed it.

The battery is good on the RAM board.

I also went thru the linkage settings to make sure the wheels spun properly during the kickstart.

92 = Position error (2 of last 8 spins) - Reel #2

The 91 means the 1st Reel; 92 means
2nd Reel; 93, 3rd Reel; 94, 4th Reel;
95, 5th Reel. This tilt indicates
that during the last 8 games there
was a positional error during the
spin of that reel in 2 of the 8 games.

Changing the dip settings to - Short variation on all reels and #1 reel spin time set at med/short remedied the problem.

[Amachanic]

Oh ok.. I don't remember that machine showing that code, just the jackpot issue on the Bar5 payouts. That machine had been setting around for a couple of years since I last messed with it. Glad to hear you were able to figure it out.. Did you ever hook up the jackpot bell?

Gary

[tkrozleski]

I hope to put the bell in it tonight. Thats the last thing it needs. The machine works very well. You can play a long time on a bowl of quarters. Thats probably why the Casino unloaded it !!!

Thanks Gary!

[tkrozleski]

Well this 92 come back to haunt me after a short time.

I cleaned and adjusted #1 reel and it is now working.

I will have my testers (family) play it and see what happens!

[dhellis]

One thing you might want to try and that is to remove the reel reader card (92 error would be reel reader #2) split the card
and then using a Q-Tip clean the bulbs with alcohol. There is a very small hole for the phototransistor so soak the Q-Tip and
with a rotating motion clean out the holes and the top of the phototransistor.

I have seen some of these reader cards where the output voltage is less than 2 volts. That voltage is less than what would
be considered a "Logic" High which can cause intermittent problems.

I have also written some instructions for testing these cards without having the 50 volt power, you will, however, need a 5 volt supply.

You can read these instructions on one of our fellow members websites (Jackpot) at

http://www.coinslots.com/product/repairs/repair-tips/

I also discuss the Bally E-Series power supplies and how to test them for proper operation.

[tkrozleski]

Adjusting #1 reader and changing dip switch was not my problem, but I think I got it. I cleaned the reader bulbs and recievers and was still getting error 92. I noticed I had the two halves closer together by a little more than 1/8" than the others. I adjusted the halves by bending it slightly apart to the same dimension as the others and it is working so far.

dhellis Thanks for the help, info, tips, and links! I gotta get one of those testers!