Closure MB won't clear

[cowboygames]

Thanks Cap, I was just commenting to a friend how lucky I am that my biggest worry today was getting that machine running. If that's not good luck then I need to re-evaluate priorities.

[Foster]

IF the machine is not showing coin in tilts of any kind (jam or tilts)
I am wondering if the signal that enables the coin comparator is not working or not getting to the coin comparator, therefor the coin comparator is not enabled and is rejecting the coins.

Let do some looking and testing on mine to see what voltages are involved (TTL, CMOS or up to 13V)

[cowboygames]

What would I look at to see if it's got that signal? Other than disabling coinless mode of course. In the IO tests there was one called COIN IN which had a 1 next to it and one called COIN DOOR which had a 1 next to it

[staz]

i never even noticed till tonight that my machine flickers door open m and closure b when i open the door on the machine.......

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[StatFreak]

Sounds like the closest member needs to come visit you and help you get it doing.

Foster Strange you said that, I think that will be you or TJ and I don't recall him having any S 2000.        It's only 174.7 miles

That's right Buzz, I forgot Foster's a Greenie. The wife's a hell of a cook if you're ever in the area Foster:)

I came up with 275 miles, but my "admin" info isn't as accurate as Buzz's.

Cowboy, I hope you get it working. Have another drink on me. 

Stat

[cowboygames]

Thanks Stat, I'll make sure it's a good one and use the XR

[Yoeddy1]

Since we're reaching now, how about turning the jackpot key or running a Netplex autoconfig.  

You'll get it fixed cowboy...no doubt.

Jason

[Foster]

there are 4 wires going ot the coin comparator
Red is +13VDC
Black with red is BGND (also signal ground)

Orange with blue or violet is the comparator enable signal
Orange with red is the Coin in (or good) from the coin comparator (without a scope or such we wont see it change (my meter is too slow so we wont be testing this one)
the machine still has detect coin falling through the 2 coin in optics before it will added to the credit meter or game play.

On mine when connected (machine ready to accept coins) mine reads 0 when comparator is enabled and 9 volts harness connected to comparator or 13 volts harness not connected to comparator when comparator is disabled.

Connect red lead form meter to orange with blue/violet stripe wire the black lead to the black with red stripe wire (BGND)
By the way black with red is the top most wire and the enable is the bottom most wire when the harness is plugged into the coin comparator
I have my door optics bypassed so I can do door open and closed testing while door is physcially opened

[PLUNGER BOY]

What would I look at to see if it's got that signal? Other than disabling coinless mode of course. In the IO tests there was one called COIN IN which had a 1 next to it and one called COIN DOOR which had a 1 next to it

   Did you try dropping in a coin . in the coin in I/O test i think it should go from 1 to 0 to prove it sees it

[cowboygames]

Since we're reaching now, how about turning the jackpot key or running a Netplex autoconfig. 

You'll get it fixed cowboy...no doubt.

Jason

A couple more good ideas Jason, but there again, tried(many times today) and no luck

[cowboygames]

I got the equipment, I'll give that a shot in the morning, I've got a full day in on this thing and it's time to let it be for the night. I'll let you know how it comes out. I wa swatching it operate today, or not operate, however you want to look at it and the reject solenoid never energizes so all coins drop through before they get to the optics. And this is with 2 completely differant comparitor/optics sets. I'm almost wondering about a bad IO socket too. Anyway, I'll check what you mentioned and post back, thanks

[cowboygames]

What would I look at to see if it's got that signal? Other than disabling coinless mode of course. In the IO tests there was one called COIN IN which had a 1 next to it and one called COIN DOOR which had a 1 next to it

    Did you try dropping in a coin . in the coin in I/O test i think it should go from 1 to 0 to prove it sees it

You know, I didn"t actually try dropping a coin in in test mode. I will tomorrow. I'm learning, I've never had issues that required using the IO tests before so I'm unfamiliar with them. Thanks for the heads up on that

[Buzz]

If you just happened to have mailed something to two different fellows, and you still had their zip codes and you checked the mileage on Truckmiles .com and it came up 174.7 miles. I guess we could get into a pissing match as to the actual miles they each live from City Hall !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seems like on this site, if you don't have the proof in your hand you must be full of crap. ( cleaned that up a little ) 

But this thread has been very helpfull. I found out Kevin has 3 perfect machines and I have 34 F/U machines. Guess I'll have a hell of a yard sale !!!!!!!!!!!!

[knagl]

But this thread has been very helpfull. I found out Kevin has 3 perfect machines and I have 34 F/U machines. Guess I'll have a hell of a yard sale !!!!!!!!!!!!

I never said that your machines were "F/U"d, Buzz.  I did say that they were different from what I've seen, however I will take a slice of crow pie (not the whole thing, however).

I was mistaken -- all three of my machines do not act as I previously described - HOWEVER - my Game King and PE+ do act as described, and one of my S2000s does as well:

If I open and close the main door only:




If I open the main door, open the bill door, close the bill door, then close the main door:




Please accept my apologies, Buzz, you were right that it is perfectly normal for an S2000 machine to not show the Closure message after all of the doors are closed (my other two machines do not display it, although the bottom segment of the candle does remain blinking until a paid game has been played).

My real point as I mentioned earlier and David highlighted is that a Closure message is NOT an error, not a tilt, and is not something that inhibits game play.

[knagl]

I re-installed the BV(for the third time) and the machine accepts and plays fine on paper money.....

Let me guess -- the Closure message went away after the first paid game? 

[stayouttadabunker]

Something bugs me though...why is the BV working now after the third time?
Did you do something different? 
Did you change a setting in the machine set up Options?

[cowboygames]

Yes,  closure/restart message disappeared and candle went out. I hadn't done anything differant as far as settings that third time other than to actually screw the BV housing down inside the cabinet instead of just balancing it on top of the meter housing. All other settings were the same. I was even careful to turn the machine off during ALL board and peripheral swaps yesterday. I'd started working on that damn thing about 3 hours before my first post, so it was a long and educational day. I'm going to try the things Foster suggested last night with the coin handling this morning and see if I can tie this thing up

[cowboygames]

there are 4 wires going ot the coin comparator
Red is +13VDC
Black with red is BGND (also signal ground)

Orange with blue or violet is the comparator enable signal
Orange with red is the Coin in (or good) from the coin comparator (without a scope or such we wont see it change (my meter is too slow so we wont be testing this one)
the machine still has detect coin falling through the 2 coin in optics before it will added to the credit meter or game play.

On mine when connected (machine ready to accept coins) mine reads 0 when comparator is enabled and 9 volts harness connected to comparator or 13 volts harness not connected to comparator when comparator is disabled.

Connect red lead form meter to orange with blue/violet stripe wire the black lead to the black with red stripe wire (BGND)
By the way black with red is the top most wire and the enable is the bottom most wire when the harness is plugged into the coin comparator
I have my door optics bypassed so I can do door open and closed testing while door is physcially opened

I ran the IO test for coin in 1 and 2 and dropping a coin in never registers. I've got a 1 on both tests and they don't go to zero with a coin drop. Any ideas?

[cowboygames]

Anyone? Anyone?...Buehler....Buehler

[Yoeddy1]

Wow, no stones appear to be unturned, but for whatever it's worth...

What about unmodifying that has been modified and returning them to original factory spec as a troubleshooting step.  Ie bypassed switches, etc.  Might be worth a shot.

Jason

[cowboygames]

Thanks for the thought Jason, but it had this problem BEFORE the mods. The mods wdre an attempt to fix the problem

[Buzz]

Rob   I don't know if this will help you are not.

 If you recall, on a S+ or a Bally 5500 we could block the rake open on a bad comparitor and the coin dropping through the coin optics would be counted as a good coin. This is not true with a S 2000. I know I had a problem like this and I either replaced the comparitor or the optics, but I just don't remember which. ( maybe both )  

[cowboygames]

Thanks for the tip Buzz, I've literally swapped out everything on this machine but the door and cabinet wiring harness'. It's getting a little frustrating. Do the SG chips have anything to do with whether the machine will accept coins or not? Version chip?

[Yoeddy1]

...but it used to work with all of the components that are in there now right Rob?  Or has this machine never worked?

Jason

[cowboygames]

It was working great till I took the BV and Printer out, then no coin acceptance. Put the BV back in and alternately swapped out ALL boards and the comparitor assembly with known good ones and no change. All swapped parts work in other machines. Finally got the BV to work again after the 3rd attempt. Comparitor has power, but doesn't react during an IO test. All programming and credit limits have been checked and rechecked numerous times and I've cleared the machine 3 times over the course of this problem. That's why I'm wondering if it's a software issue related to a removable chip. I've tried swapping the SB. Don't have SG extras. Maybe I'll try the version chip