Not paying the Correct Ammount

[Hotrodslots69]

I have a bally 6000 with a 3 coin $1 Balligator that is paying the normal amount according to the SMI problem is the glass is 5x higher, how do I make it pay the correct amount shown on the glass???  Every amount shown on the glass is 5x higher than what the machine pays in credits.

[FORDSBS]

Sounds like you have it set for $1 when it should be set for $5.
Does $5 give you 1 credit or 5 credits?

[Hotrodslots69]

If you put say a$50 dollar bill in the bill validator it gives me 50 credits not 10 if it were a $5 dollar machine but it pays as a $5 machine per credit $50=10 credits. The board SW2 1-4 switches say its a $1 dollar machine The 11d 10=9 also a $1 dollar machine. Can I make it pay as a $1 dollar machine or just a $5 dollar. One thing I noticed is that the pay amounts on the glass are in $ not credits.  

[FORDSBS]

i am not @ my manual now.
On the MPU board there are dip switch settings for the amount.
If you want it to pay the amount on glass you have to set it for $5.
If you don't get an answer as to which switches to change I can look tonight.
When you change them you will have to do a clear.
Ford

[FORDSBS]

7 is for $5
You change dip switch 2  #1-off #2-off #3-off #4-on
In set up 10 goes to 7

DIP Switch DS2 SW1 — SW4 Denomination
Table 1: Market Codes 0 — 17, 22*, 24, 25, 28, 29, 30
SW1 SW2 SW3 SW4 Value Denomination
OFF ON ON ON         0001       250
ON OFF ON ON         0002       100
OFF OFF ON ON       0003        50
ON ON OFF ON         0004        25
OFF ON OFF ON       0005        20
ON OFF OFF ON       0006        10
OFF OFF OFF ON     0007          5      XXXXXXXXXXXX
ON ON ON OFF         0008          2
OFF ON ON OFF       0009          1
ON OFF ON OFF       0010      0.50
OFF OFF ON OFF      0011     0.25
ON ON OFF OFF        0012     0.20
OFF ON OFF OFF      0013     0.10
ON OFF OFF OFF      0014     0.05
OFF OFF OFF OFF    0015      0.01
ON ON ON ON 0016 4 (MC=07)

[knagl]

Indeed, that glass is for a $5 denomination machine.  It's paying the correct number of credits for each win, but since you have the machine set to be $1, it's paying 5x less in cash compared to the dollar amounts listed on the glass.

[StatFreak]

Indeed, that glass is for a $5 denomination machine.  It's paying the correct number of credits for each win, but since you have the machine set to be $1, it's paying 5x less in cash compared to the dollar amounts listed on the glass.

Precisely. The numbers on the glass don't correspond to credits; they've been converted to hard dollar amounts, therefore they don't "translate" to different denominations. For example, with two or three coins bet, the glass states that mixed bars pays $50. Since the glass was designed to be used only on a $5 machine, $50/$5 = 10 credits, which is what those mixed bars are supposed to pay.

The machine will always pay out 10 credits for that win no matter what denomination you set it to. In other words, it's not that you'd get 50 credits if you set your machine denomination to $5, it's only that those 10 credits would then represent (or match) the dollar value printed on the glasss.

That's why high denomination glass isn't very popular; most vendors have trouble giving it away. Of course, some of our members like setting their machines to high dollar amounts and using special award glass, which allows them to find some great bargains since they're interested in stuff most others don't want. Staz comes to mind...  


Stat

[Hotrodslots69]

I played it more last night and found out that when you put money in it gives you credits at $1 not $5. Put in a $50 bill and get 50 credits, so is this a bill validator problem or a game setting problem?

[FORDSBS]

GAME SETTING.
Have to set Like I told you earlier
Do you have a manual?

[Hotrodslots69]

I have looked at it several times and just  I got it now I was thinking its a dollar machine and had that stuck in my head not $5 Thanks for the obvious help! K+ to you Mr F

[FORDSBS]

You will need a set of clear chips to do setup.
I see you are from Ohio. There are a lot of suppliers in your area that can help with chips.
Ford

[Hotrodslots69]

I have a set for 5500 and for 6000's , I think the mains are 9600 that should not need reset chips. Thanks
 

[StatFreak]

Just to note: The reason behind the need for the clear is that the machine only reads the dip switch settings once immediately following the clear and then stores the values in memory. That's why changing them later on does nothing.

Please remember that if you change your machine to $5 you will still get 10 credits for that mixed bar win I used in my previous example. My point is that the whole thing is psychological (unless the machine is in a real casino and the patron demands what's printed on the glass  ).

If it bothers you that much (which it seems to) and you don't really want to have to put in a $100 bill just to get 20 credits (it will get old fast), another option would be to buy a standard credit-based award glass for your game and leave the denomination set to $1. Another advantage to this option is that in the future you could change the machine's denomination to anything you wished and the glass would always match.

Finally, if you really DO want a $5 machine and change the denomination and the denom sticker, you might want to consider going all out and buying a $5 hopper, coin head, coin comparitor*, and some $5 tokens. They are huge and are fun to use. I have a set and will change one of my machines every so often just to play with those giant coins. They sound great when they drop into the tray.


Stat


<ADD>  * The large coin comparitor is required for $1 coins so you already have it. Heck, I can't tell from the picture, but you might already have the larger coin head and/or hopper. If a dollar token seems small for the size of the hole in the coin head, then it's a $5 head. Can't say about the hopper...

[FORDSBS]

If it bothers you that much (which it seems to) and you don't really want to have to put in a $100 bill just to get 20 credits (it will get old fast), another option would be to buy a standard credit-based award glass for your game and leave the denomination set to $1. Another advantage to this option is that in the future you could change the machine's denomination to anything you wished and the glass would always match.

   That's the way to go

[Hotrodslots69]

At first I thought it was not paying correctly, I have never had a glass that paid in $ not # of credits, that being said it does pay correctly, it just doesn't put the correct amount in credits when you use the bill validator, it gives you 1$ per credit which is ok, because it gives you 5x more than you really put in. I will have to get set up to use $5 tokens.

[Hotrodslots69]

Does a $5 coin hopper use different parts than a $1? also found it take the new $50 bills but will not take $100, can this be the $1 setting or a bill validator problem?

[StatFreak]

You can probably just change the shelf (and possibly the pin) wheels. I bought an entire hopper so that I could quickly and easily change back to quarters when I wanted to.

If it takes the color $50s then it should take the hundreds (until those new ones finally come out.) It could be that the dip switch for $100 bills on the dbv head is set to reject hundreds, or it could be that your credit limit is set too low.