Bally E2090 - Error Code 71

[gkulp]

Just picked up a Bally E2090.  Does not increment coins, and displays and Error Code 71.

Ran Test 5 and got 1.2.5.5
Ran through a Test 2 and it seemed to work.
Ran a Test 8 and got 8.0.0.0
Ran a test 4 and got 10 coins each time.

When I drop a coin in, it does not get past the Coin Compaitor.  Also, no light on the Coin Caparitor.  Is there a fuse for this?

Tried a reset.  Nothing seems to make the 71 go away.

I can pull the handle, without coins, and the wheels spin, but do not engage.

Whats the next step?   

Thanks in advance.

[litterbox99]

Error 71 means the reader card is giving inconsistent reads
or spinning after indexing on first reel.  You can try switching
reel reader card from reel one to reel two.  If you get error
72 it may be the reader card that was on reel one.

Errors 4x or 7x (where x=reel position number) IE;

error 41 or 71 is reel #1 has issues
error 42 or 72 is reel #2 has issues...

Moving reader cards can let you know what
card is bad.  I like to fix reel errors from left
to right.

Can you coin it up by quickly flipping the coin
switch wire (under the Comparitor mech)

You should not be able to pull the handle without
a coin up.  There is a solenoid above the handle mech
and it may be stuck in the 'pulled in' position. Normally
the plunger is out and should move freely and
is spring loaded.

I could post a manual that would help you, but
I don't know if thats allowed.

[gkulp]

I have an E1000/E2000 manual.  I had thought that 71 was a door issue.  I will check the handle solenoid and swapping the reel card reader and see if that results in anything.  I will also check the coin up wire to see if it will do anything.  Results to follow later.  Thanks.

[gkulp]

I tried swapping the cables on the back of reel 1 and reel 2, but no change.  Still got the Error 71.  Tried a Test 5 each way and got inconsistant results.  Not sure if there is a way to check or fix the increment.

The solenoid on the handle was stuck in allowing the handle to be pulled without a coin.  I pulled it out.  Can't pull the handle now, but the solenoid does not seem to be opperating.

No light on the comparator, and no coin incrementing when I flip the coin switch.  When I test the switch I get a code 102.  If I measure the voltage into the comparator, I get nothing.

Seems like there is some power loss somwhere.  I looked at the fuses and they seem fine.  Not sure how to test them.

I am going to attach a few pictures, maybe that will help.

Any cahnce this is as simple as no key in the lock, or a faulty lock?

Might be trying to chase too many things down at once, but not sure which way to turn.

Any help would be appreciated.

[proten]

Can you post a picture of the front of the machine? 
It looks like you might have a Military machine. 


That make it a new ball of wax. 

[FOXSSLOTS1]

start from here as the posts so far are going to take you nowhere - the 71 is DOOR OPEN LAST.   If your coins are not registering - run the 8 test correctly - when the win meter show 80 000 use the coin trip switch below your coin comparitor/coin acceptor -  down/up on the trip wire - this should "coin up" and allow you to pull the handle.   

[gkulp]

I tried test #8 and got 8.0.0.0.0

No response from the trip switch, no click.  The magnet below the switch seems to activiate, but the coins do not increment.  However, I can pull the handle and cylce the wheels, and they stop correctly, but no payout even on a win.  The meter logs the number won, but no coins come out.  Also, the solenoid on the handle does not reset.  I also need to do a reset to re-run the test #8 again.

Does the switch near the lock need to be closed during any of this?

Attached is a front photo.

Another update.  I removed the lock and manually closed the door switch near the lock.  The Code 71 went away and the handle pulled and wheels sun and stopped.  However the handle solenoid did not reset, and a flashing 56 apeared on the display.  The only way the reset was to remove the manual switch close and reclose the door.  THen the 71 reapeared.  No coins were discharged on a win.

[gkulp]

Couple follow-up questions:

Are there any external (external to the hopper assembly) plugs taht are pluged into the hopper control board.  The area in question is near the bottom of that board labeled J2.

What postition is hte key on the right side of the machine need to be in? Closing the swith, or not impacting the switch?

The game seems to opperate while in a 8 test, but still no coin comparitor, nor no win discharge or sound.

Seems like I am still missing a big one.

[proten]

The two E2000 I have don't have any thing plug in the J2 point.
The key switch should be in the non contact position.

[gkulp]

Thanks a bunch, but now i am no closer to success.

I am now guessing it is a coin comparator issue.  I'll just search on in posts and keep posting my status.

A Happy Turkey Day to all.

[proten]

Have you checked for power at the comparator?

[gkulp]

I did, but not sure what I should be getting.  I unplugged the comparator and checked withe DC and get a fluctuation between 0 and about .2.  This is with the door open.  No light on the coparator either.  I was guessing no power, but not sure where to track it to.

[proten]

It should be 13 or 24 volts depending on the comparator.
Look up the mod.# on line and then trace the wires back till you find  power.

[FOXSSLOTS1]

test the coin switch - do a 2 test and then as the test is progressing hold down the coin switch trip wire - if the test stops then the coin switch is working - if the test continues the coin switch is either bad or you have connection issues to the coin switch - not sure how you are getting the handle to release and the reels to stop.

[gkulp]

Ran a test #2 and the coin switch stops the test.  When released, the test continues.

The handle releases and the reals spin and stop when in Test #8 after I close the door switch, below the key, and flick hte coin wire.  Still no payment on a win, and the coin entry does not register on the display.

In order to run the Test #2, I had to un-close the door switch and close the door.  THe machine then goes back to a Error Code 71.

Please keep throwing ideas my way.

[FOXSSLOTS1]

so when you run the 8 test - and you use the coin switch - you can pull the handle and the reels stop - correct?  the win meter shows 81 000  after you reels stop?   when you close the door - the win meter changes to 71?   if you now play a coin - it does not register and the coin goes into the machine? 

[gkulp]

so when you run the 8 test - and you use the coin switch - you can pull the handle and the reels stop - correct? 

Correct.  Although during this I have the lock switch manually closed.

the win meter shows 81 000  after you reels stop?   

Correct, unless there was a win, then it shows 81 002 or 81 010.

when you close the door - the win meter changes to 71?    

Correct, but only if I remove the lock switch manual closure.  If I do not, it continues with the #8 test.

if you now play a coin - it does not register and the coin goes into the machine?

Correct , except the coin is rejected and falls through the machine.

[FOXSSLOTS1]

first of all 71 is NOT repeat NOT an error code - indicated door was opened.   finally you are at the real problem  coins are not registering -  coins are going into the machine and not coming back to the tray ?  you have a coin comparitor which may not be working correctly - with the door open - power on - insert a coin -see where the coin is going - see if it activates the coin switch trip wire.

[gkulp]

Every coin falls through the right side of the comparator, and into the coin tray.  They never get to the trip wire.  No red light on the comparator either.  Couple coins got stuck on the way out behind the plate to the right of the comparator.  When I took it off, i became $3 richer.

When will the 71 go away?

[FOXSSLOTS1]

your comparitor is not working - that is your problem - the 71 goes away when you get a coin to register and the handle to pull.   with the power on - door open press down and up on the coin switch for the number of coins you game takes - see if the red light comes on when you reach max coins ( that would indicate you have a io board set up for $ coins).  if the red light never comes on then you have a bad comparitor or harness.

[gkulp]

No red light. I also checked the voltage on the line going into the comparator and got nothing. 

I also checked teh six fuses in the fuse panel and they sem fine.

With the door open, when I flick the coin switch, nothing happens.  If I am in a Test #8, and I flick the coin switch, the handle solenoid activates.  How can I check if it is the comparator or harness?  What is the next step?  Any way to short past the comparator to see if it is more than just the comparator?

[litterbox99]

I wouldn't worry about the comparator right now,
it just accepts coins or reject them.  You could replace
it with a mechanical coin mech.

Get it to coin up correctly by flicking the coin wire, then
figure out the comparator.

[gkulp]

Two issues still: If I go to a mechanical comparator, I believe I read that there are a couple tabs on a board that need to be removed.  Not sure which. I would think this would be needed so the machince knows coins are in.  I assume the electronic comparator transmits this signal to the mother board now. 

Also, If it is the comparator, that does not explain the lack of a measured voltage to the comparator.

Still not sure how/where to track the issues down.  Seems like we're getting close, but not there yet.

[gkulp]

Announcement: The game seems to be working.  Wish I knew what I did.   

The game works, but a number of the lights are not working.  I replaced a few of them, but some are still out.  The top panel fluorescent is on. but not the rest (Small bulbs that show amount bet)  Also the light next to the coin-in slot does not light up with a win.  Also, no sound yet. Any ideas?  Thanks for all the help.

I was a couple steps away from scrapping the whole thing.  Guess persistence and patience pays.