S+ soft and hard out meters increase when 3100 code

[G-RhuM]

Hi everybody,

here is my problem:
- The slot door is as is where closed (by a wire between the two optic door sensors) but open
- the machine is ready to work, waiting for coin in

If I simulate a coin out on the hopper at once, the 3100 code appear and the winpaid displays "1".... if I repeat this action, I'll have as many in winpaid as times I repeated the action. In the same time, the hard and  soft meter coin out increase their values as the winpaid displays.

How can I fix that? Could it be a common problem from old games?
Thanks for reply.

[stayouttadabunker]

For starters, error code [3100] means that the hopper paid out 1 extra coin.
That means the hopper brakes are not stopping the wheel from turning
after the last coin passes through the hopper optics.

Pull out the hopper, give it a thorough cleaning...check the spring on the brake pawl
and check the brake pawl for abnormal wear.
The pawl behind the motor grabbing a shaft nib - is what stops the shaft from turning
and throwing out the [3100] error.

[G-RhuM]

OK, I'm not telling about something happening in normal operations with the hopper extra pay.
with the door open and the optic door bypassed, I cause myself the 3100 code by pushing the coin out level.
My question: is it normal if each time I push the coin out level, the hard and soft meters are increasing?

thanks

[stayouttadabunker]

...I cause myself the 3100 code by pushing the coin out level...

I'm not sure I understand.
Do you mean physically moving the arm on the hopper optics by hand?

If so, then yes.
The machine will freeze when it senses that it is being tampered with.
The hopper will throw that code if it is sensing the optics moving when it's NOT supposed to.
It's part of the security for the machine and casino.
There were no VALID credits to be paid out.
Manually trying to fool the hopper optics will stop the machine from working.

And 'yes' - it is normal for the meters to increment even during erroneous payouts.
After all, the hopper optics sensed a "coin".

[G-RhuM]

all right, I assume that's normal if that increment the meter.
But this incrementation is not systematic with every machine, some of them with SP/SS newer than 1999 doesn't increment meter.
You think I could use newer SP eprom to fix this?

[stayouttadabunker]

all right, I assume that's normal if that increment the meter.
But this incrementation is not systematic with every machine, some of them with SP/SS newer than 1999 doesn't increment meter.
You think I could use newer SP eprom to fix this?

All that the newer SP chips do... is have a lot more accounting records.
They removed a lot of the sound data to make room for the added accounting book- keeping.
Whether or not they changed anything optic/meter-wise in the newer SP chips - I haven't heard of.

It was recommended for the casinos back then to use the newer Type 0 and Type 2 SP chips to get more accounting records.
It's not so much fun for someone that likes the sounds of the older SP chips for machine homeowners.

What games do you presently have and what SP/SS chips are in them?
I may be able to recommend SP chips depending what Type X games you have.

Attached below is a link to the different SP game Type there are  for S+'s...>>>

http://www.newlifegames.net/spset/gametypes.htm

[knagl]

The machine doesn't know that you're bypassing the door optics and is assuming that the hopper is mistakingly paying out a coin.  It makes sense that meters would change as the meters are supposed to keep track of coins paid out of the machine.

As far as "how to fix it"?  How about not manually paying out coins from the hopper with the machine fooled into thinking that the door is closed?     I guess I'm not really understanding what the problem is.

[G-RhuM]

I understand it's not really easy to think "what is the problem"... But my machines are not in casinos but in pubs, and some of my employees could think about something wrong.... as you can imagine.

[stayouttadabunker]

When the machine has actual earned credits on it and you hit the Cash Out button -
does the hopper pay out correctly? If not, then check the hopper brakes and install new ones.


                                  or


Are YOU trying to manipulate the machine and causing the machine to throw out the error code?
If you are - then there's nothing wrong with it. In other words - it knows you're tampering with it! 

[G-RhuM]

In fact, nothing goes wrong with the machines, if I push the cashout button, it's paying me my credits normally. My real problem is if someone do what I've explained before, I couldn't see it in the meters calculation.
Now, I hope find some Data eprom witch not will register the fake coin out manipulation but only those ordered by the processor board.

[knagl]

If you don't trust your employees, it's time to get new employees.

[G-RhuM]

or just don't give'em possibilities to compromise themselves by fixing some known problems (as you could do by just putting locks on the doors).

[stayouttadabunker]

oh! okay....
You're talking about employee theft!   
Why didn't you say that in the first place? 

Well, I strongly suggest that if you're doing this as a "vending" type of business that
you eliminate the coin capability altogether and start out-fitting each machine with DBV's and ticket printers.
There's a fella in Long Island (empire state gaming I think it was) that has these units ready-to-go with ICT ticket printers in the coin trays for S+'s.
I warn you though, he's a New Yorker...if you're from the south - he talks really fast! or you listen too slow! 
Each unit is roughly somewhere in the ballpark of about $150-$200 piece.
That's a drop in the bucket and will pay you back in the long run!
The most expensive part is the ICT printers - but they do most of the work!
They come with cords and plugs that you just plug right into the beau plug where the hopper used to plug into.

The book keeping of the printers, along with the "soft meters" accounting will keep you on top on things.
You may be in a business I wouldn't touch with a 20ft pole but that's what I would do if I were doing it. 

Here's a link directly to this guy...
he's great to deal with!
I bought one unit to fool around with it but never installed it yet!   
I buy stuff all the time but end up doing something else...>>>

http://www.egsny.com/

Here's a picture of the unit that plugs into the hopper beau plug.
I might try and get it running see how that puppy works...been sitting on my shelf for a couple years now! 
I lost my instructions for it though..ah!...Who needs instructions anyways? lol...>>>

[G-RhuM]

Oh yesss, I dream about coinless machines each night  !!!
Unfortunately I operate on merging market countries, with no DBV programs. It's just incredible if you know the quantity of countries with DBV or WBA. I still working on cards like prepaid phone but it's not ready yet....

Well, Well, Well.... Many thanks for your support.

[stayouttadabunker]

Well, the pre-paid cards might work with the player tracking systems too!
That would be a pretty neat mod! 

[G-RhuM]

Let's wait for the cards, I hope them for next semester.
I've fixed the problem by a newer SPxxxx program... and the meters now still quite when I'm making a fake coin out.