Dyna Cherry Master

[mike111]

Quick question about the odds settings. The manual I have for Dip settings shows this but its a bit unclear to me...

90 86% 80
85 78% 75
80 70% 70
75 62% 65
70 54% 60
65 46% 55
60 38% 50
55 30% 45

What exactly are the % numbers representing, ??? Is that the pay out percentage or $$$$ held percentage ??? Thank you . And what is the best setting for the bar setting ? not to be too greedy but yes to keep players interest and make $$$ as well. Thank you

[stayouttadabunker]

Can you upload the manual so we can look at it?
What year and version Dyna Cherry Master is that game?

[mike111]

not sure ther Ver.
this is what im going off of
http://www.genao.com/datatech/cherrymaster/cherry.pdf

[stayouttadabunker]

okay,
From what I can see, it looks like you can set it from 90% for the players (tight) or down to 55% for the players (loose).
The house take is probably about 10% upwards to 45%.
The other two columns affect that outcome though.

The middle column and the 3rd columns - I'm not sure what they are.
My guess is that they could be for the Jackpot progressive amounts?

The 1st column is the most important, depending on how many machines you have.
Casinos have thousands of slots that can be fairly "loose" to absorb major hits.
Small gaming parlours with less machines need much tighter machines to survive.
That's the fact of life but most of the bean counters work under the whips of gaming operators
and are pressured to make the quick bucks so they get greedy and have the machines set as tight as possible -
without regard for human life. 

[mike11]

Ok so somewhere in the middle should be safe for fun n not getting killed 75-80 range .......likewise I don't want someone getting 2hrs out of a $20

[stayouttadabunker]

I'd go a little tighter if you have less than a hundred machines -
unless you have a lot of money to take a bad afternoon...

Most players are used to playing them tight anyways.
If you see their eyebrows raised as they're playing - they're too loose.  

[mike11]

This is my first looking to build a fleet from this one ...... What would you suggest I set it at???? Also after I do a master reset and reset the odds should I play it a while for it to balance itself out before putting it out ???
Thanks

[Ron (r273)]

Not to add confusion but look at my copy of switch number 2.

Ron (273)

[mike111]

i see  which is why i am wanting to get this sorted out.

[stayouttadabunker]

On cherry masters in general - they usually run fairly tight.
I've never seen an entire room of them...just small game parlours of less than 40-60 machines.
Seasoned players will stick to a machine and eat your shorts if you set them too loose -
just my experience from seeing them in operation.

R273's sheet for the 2nd dips are similar to the 1st column in yours.
65 -70 is a good starting range...limit the excessive limits in dips #4 as well...they're way too high -
you'll get killed.
Once you get comfortable with the operation and start making some money, dial up a few and watch the veterans.
They will flock to a loose machine - word of mouth spreads like wildfire in small places
and the vets will attack certain machines like wolves.

You'll see...

Get in touch with a member named Rocket - he has much more useful info on those type of machines
and the business sense of that kind of an operation for them, than I.

If you can't get a hold of Rocket for advice, you'd be better off having paid employees play the heck out of them for awhile
for testing purposes and keeping a close eye on the accounting sheets -
before submitting them to a live floor.
At least watch the books on 1/2 a million plays per machine to see how they perform to your settings.
You're talking at a least a week or two of controlled testing.
Once they're out on the game floor 'live' - you gotta live with it and cross your fingers.

[mike111]

I talked to a guy who runs them and he said pretty much the same its trial n error on the odds, I have a board setup for 5c and have the odds at 70 have been playing the hell out of it with a ton of credits in and holding the bet and take buttons down and letting it go. it gives a fair ammount of play for your buck ....havent seen any HUGE jackies yet but it could be saving up for a slammer. I set the max on dip 4 at 10k which isn't a earth shattering killer so it seems pretty safe to try there I would imagine. But any input from the experts I would greatly appreciate.
Thanks.

BTW anyone know where I could get foxtronic keno boards and key pads?

[Neonkiss]

I'd go a little tighter if you have less than a hundred machines -
unless you have a lot of money to take a bad afternoon...

Most players are used to playing them tight anyways.
If you see their eyebrows raised as they're playing - they're too loose.  

Bunker, I don't understand?
On cherry masters they ONLY give credit as they are "ARCADE GAMES"  and used as such legally. Therefore they are $$$ in and the player only gets credits. The machines have no hoppers or payout that's what makes the arcade games legal.

You aren't suggesting anything else are you?????  
 

[Ron (r273)]

Ok....How about telling us Rookies what the following means.
Probably not for home use but curious

 1. 7 in
    W-up
 2. W-up
    Pay Rate
 3. W-up
     ON/OFF
 4. Odds over 100
 5. Type of Key In
 6. Bet Limit for Center 7
 7. Key In Rate
 8. Coin A Rate
 9. Coin D Rate
10. Coin C Rate
11. Credit Limit
12. Display of Pay Out Limit
13. Type of Coin D

So what are the best settings for home use so your friends win big?

Ron (r273)

[mike111]

Ok....How about telling us Rookies what the following means.
Probably not for home use but curious

 1. 7 in
    W-up
 2. W-up
    Pay Rate
 3. W-up
     ON/OFF
 4. Odds over 100
 5. Type of Key In
 6. Bet Limit for Center 7
 7. Key In Rate
 8. Coin A Rate
 9. Coin D Rate
10. Coin C Rate
11. Credit Limit
12. Display of Pay Out Limit
13. Type of Coin D

So what are the best settings for home use so your friends win big?

Ron (r273)

yeah me too on those settings

[stayouttadabunker]

mike111,
Do your Cherry Masters have the arcade/amusement ticket dispensers installed?
I may have been confused?
I don't know the nature of your business with the machines.

[mike111]

i dont have tic despensers

[stayouttadabunker]

i dont have tic despensers

I've seen them used in shopping mall store arcades where they use the ticket dispensers
and redeem the tickets for small toy prizes, or free games once they get enough tickets.
Cherry Masters used in that way are legal in certain states and they need the proper licensing.

Like your friend said...it's "trial and error".
But if one decides to take the "error" of using the machines for gambling purposes -
then they will get a "trial"...  

[mike11]

Yeah it's a touchy area with them depending on location

[stayouttadabunker]

Yeah it's a touchy area with them depending on location

It's not a "touchy area" if you contact the local authorities for information and see what they say.
I strongly advise you to find out if what you're doing - is legal in your area.

As game homeowners, we normally set our games to the highest payouts
and percentages for personal enjoyment,educational purposes, and fun only!
Legal operators set them in the tightest ranges possible according to the state gambling commissions in their area.
Shady, illegal slot parlors set them as tight as possible - stay away from those places! 

 

[pcbgames]

Quick question about the odds settings. The manual I have for Dip settings shows this but its a bit unclear to me...

90 86% 80
85 78% 75
80 70% 70
75 62% 65
70 54% 60
65 46% 55
60 38% 50
55 30% 45

What exactly are the % numbers representing, ??? Is that the pay out percentage or $$$$ held percentage ??? Thank you . And what is the best setting for the bar setting ? not to be too greedy but yes to keep players interest and make $$$ as well. Thank you

this 3 columns is from 3 differences poker master versions (2in1).
Available PM30% , PM45% and PM 55% version.
you can find some update kits for this board on this link http://8lines.blogspot.gr/p/poker-master-2in1-individual-updates.html
Sure you can convert the poker master game to a Crazy bonus game (2in1).
regards John

[asgard]

okay,
From what I can see, it looks like you can set it from 90% for the players (tight) or down to 55% for the players (loose).
The house take is probably about 10% upwards to 45%.
The other two columns affect that outcome though.

The middle column and the 3rd columns - I'm not sure what they are.
My guess is that they could be for the Jackpot progressive amounts?

The 1st column is the most important, depending on how many machines you have.
Casinos have thousands of slots that can be fairly "loose" to absorb major hits.
Small gaming parlours with less machines need much tighter machines to survive.
That's the fact of life but most of the bean counters work under the whips of gaming operators
and are pressured to make the quick bucks so they get greedy and have the machines set as tight as possible -
without regard for human life. 

Pay out rate is the percentage of sales the machine pays out, 90% is loose and 55% is a tight machine.

[Ron (r273)]

Ok....How about telling us Rookies what the following means.
Probably not for home use but curious

 1. 7 in
    W-up
 2. W-up
    Pay Rate
 3. W-up
     ON/OFF
 4. Odds over 100
 5. Type of Key In
 6. Bet Limit for Center 7
 7. Key In Rate
 8. Coin A Rate
 9. Coin D Rate
10. Coin C Rate
11. Credit Limit
12. Display of Pay Out Limit
13. Type of Coin D

So what are the best settings for home use so your friends win big?

Ron (r273)

Still looking for answer.

Ron (r273)

[pcbgames]

90% setting for big wins.is so simple...

[Ron (r273)]

Still no one knows what these mean? I am sure others would like to know. Anyone know
some of them, please.

 1. 7 in
    W-up
 2. W-up
    Pay Rate
 3. W-up
     ON/OFF
 4. Odds over 100
 5. Type of Key In
 6. Bet Limit for Center 7
 7. Key In Rate
 8. Coin A Rate
 9. Coin D Rate
10. Coin C Rate
11. Credit Limit
12. Display of Pay Out Limit
13. Type of Coin D


Ron (r273)

[pcbgames]

Still no one knows what these mean? I am sure others would like to know. Anyone know
some of them, please.

 1. 7 in
    W-up    even or lose
 2. W-up
    Pay Rate  the % of dup
 3. W-up
     ON/OFF  dup off or not
 4. Odds over 100      special sound when win multiple than 100 times from your bet
 5. Type of Key In        separate values for key in
 6. Bet Limit for Center 7        required min bet to add points on bell pool
 7. Key In Rate                      key in rate = adjusted from dipsw
 8. Coin A Rate                      coin a rate = adjusted from dipsw
 9. Coin D Rate                      coin d rate = adjusted from dipsw
10. Coin C Rate                      coin c rate = adjusted from dipsw
11. Credit Limit                       credits overflow
12. Display of Pay Out Limit      display overflow value or not
13. Type of Coin D                  adjusted from dipsw the range for coin d


Ron (r273)