bally 891-20 super continental

[Amachanic]

So, when you hit a pay, does it rack up credits on a credit meter?  If it's giving you credits, then the hopper won't run.
Not too familiar with credit mode, as all our machines were strictly coin out.

So, when you hit a pay, does it rack up credits on a credit meter?  If it's giving you credits, then the hopper won't run.
Not too familiar with credit mode, as all our machines were strictly coin out.

There may/should be a key switch lower part of cabinet, right side, where you can change from coin to credit.

I do know that if a key switch is near the bottom of right side of cabinet, it is a two way switch, one way for credit, one way for coin.

Richard

Thanks for that information Richard.. I have the same machine but didn't know you could change it to credits? I might have to got test that out.
Gary

[drfreeze1739]

I have 2 key switches.

one in the bottom and one in the top.

The one in the bottom has been completly removed...

The person before me must have removed all the connections and just left the key part...

The one in the top has every thing and i found a key to make it work... When i turn this one it activates the reset switch in the multiplyer and it starts the hopper and spitting coins out..

[drfreeze1739]

Yes  Richard thank you..... Your the man!!!!           

I turn the top key and make it turn up and stay touching the contacts it works.......

When you win it will count up on the meeter how much you won then it will spit the coins out in the tray.......

Thank you so much.....

Thank you all.....                 

                        

Now i just need to figure out the door lighting....

[Amachanic]

Do any of the door light work? If yes then what's works and not working??

[drfreeze1739]

The long florecent lights work on the belly glass and the florecent for the reel light on the door work.

The lights on the left side be hind the Play one to six coins work... and the winner pay light works.. and the coin tray lights work...

The insert coin light never comes on and the coin acepted light never comes on and the lights on the right in the yellow on the door be hind where you put the coins in dont come on..

They are all new bulbs....

[Amachanic]

Have you checked at the light socket where the wires connect to see if you have any voltage? I have a Continental E-Series machine where part of my door lights didn't have power? So I ran a new wire from the other side and connected it up and now they work. Just remember to remove the power wire that's DOA and cap it off.  That was done on the left side of the reels where the jackpot decal is. Now I would check your coin lights for power. Sound like you have no voltage or the common wires bad.

[ricker]

OK, my memory eludes me, but.
Have you looked behind the the top glass and light panel? If not, you are in for a big suprise. Loosen side slide hardware on light board. As you tilt out the wood light board toward you, you will see two rows of switches nearest to you. Look at the second row in,  far left one, it may be wired/tied so allways open/closed(can't remember why casino's did this, but didn't effect play or pay, but would fail and then machine would fail. You can clean all the contacts on the second row as they are/should be exposed. You can look at the front or closest row to you, you will be able to see which ones may be dark brown due to use (perhaps  failure), one is for insert coin light in circut as example. Board will slide into top box after you lift to unhook from studs, but be carefull, don't wont to drop it out the front, or damage plugs at back of top box. You can prop main door open with a ruler and have padding/blanket, etc between door and light board, to stabilize light board. I do have an original schematic for an 891, just not sure of specific submodels, but have yet to find it. Will keep looking. But, most are the same common circuts, just models for credit/coin circut modifications, and/or specific casino orders and/or graphics, cabinet size, etc. Probably a good time to repaint the wooden light board a bright, bright white unless it's really white now. I have seen mirrored film used to enhance the small bulb lights.

Now you will notice allot of other things up there, more on that later.

Richard

[OldReno]

SEND PICS!!!

[ricker]

As for the right side reel light. check to see if light socket has been tuned/twisted, which can ground or break wire. Nice thing is wire colors help on this machine. If no power to light socket, trace wire to other side of door. Will connect to same circut as light on left side of reels. Be sure to check left side socket, even though it is working, it may connect there.

Richard

[ricker]

SEND PICS!!!

Will try to do. However, I have not been very active on site due to injury. Most if not all of you have a leg up on me now. My mobility is now limited. But will try to take pics soon, as my machine is in garage. Havn't really been there in two years, but will give me reason to do so.

Richard

[drfreeze1739]

pics

[drfreeze1739]

more pics

[drfreeze1739]

Still cant get the coin accepted light to work and the insert coin light to work... That's ok for right now....

Im still having pay out issuse...

When it lands on a pay out it will not pay out unless i  pull forward slightly on your hopper carriage or some times wiggle the hopper it self...

Or when i move the Board on the hopper that has the hopper zero switch....

[OldReno]

Been out of town for a week, no internet where I went.  Gotta catch up with to do stuff & will get back to you.
Anyway, check the tension on your hopper wiper fingers if you have not already.  If they don't make good contact that might be a problem.
Talk soon....

[drfreeze1739]

Ok here is what i have to do to get it to pay when i win on any thing..

I have to push down on the zero switch on the hopper board...

When i do that it will pay off...

any sugestions????

any one???

[OldReno]

Well, that doesn't make sense.... The zero switch should be just for resetting the hopper board. Is it clean and making good contact?
Send a photo of the switch if you can.

[drfreeze1739]

Or sometimes i have to pull one og the reels down a little and you hear a click and it some times pays off..

It is all well lubed up and it all moves free..

[drfreeze1739]

hopper switch

[drfreeze1739]

I know it dose not make sence...

Thats why im stumped on this issuse...

[drfreeze1739]

I took the spring on the hopper zero switch and made it tighter by one turn,, that didnt help so i put it back..

[Amachanic]

Have you looked at the condition and location of the wipers on the reels boards. I've seen them worn flat or missing a contact all together. Look at them to see if all four wipers are stopping on just one contact with no over lap. Should be easy to do if you bench the reels assembly, then rotate each reel by hand and look at the position of the wiper.

[OldReno]

Thanks for photo, they help so much...
I'd say your payboard wiper fingers are going too far back when the hopper resets.
It looks like they are not setting firmly on the pay tabs, and thus you don't have contact.  That's why when you push down on the zero switch, you move the fingers just enough to contact the pay tabs, and then the pay starts.
Lower your rubber bumper zero stop, and you'll probably find that takes care of the problem.
Your photo shows you can drop that bumper a whole bunch, and your zero switch does not have to open anywhere near that much....
I'm 99% sure that's your problem.

[drfreeze1739]

Thank you.. for your info..

That seam to work and do the job..

I turneded almost closed. and it is working now..

Thank you again...                  

[OldReno]

Good job, and thanks for photos!!!