Bet one credit question

[osso12]

Is there a way that you do not have to press the "bet one credit button" each and every time after you insert a coin to pull the arm on the bandit?
On my newer S2000 you simply insert a coin and pull the handle, but on my Double Diamond you have to press the bet credit button each time before you pull the arm...
Kinda over kill in mho.

[bhinkley]

I was wondering the same thing.  I have been meaning to remove the lock solenoid and see if it will work without that

[osso12]

interesting... My double Diamond is older than my Triple Double Wild Cherry...
and another thing I noticed is, if you if you have credits on the wild cherry, you wont lose a credit if you put in a coin.. But on the double diamond, it will take the credit irregardless if you insert a coin or not.... make sense?
probably a setting somewhere..

[bhinkley]

That one I am not sure on.  Mine is a coinless machine.  Once I have the time to take apart the handle I will let you know if the solenoid idea would work

[zarobhr]

Is there a way that you do not have to press the "bet one credit button" each and every time after you insert a coin to pull the arm on the bandit?
On my newer S2000 you simply insert a coin and pull the handle, but on my Double Diamond you have to press the bet credit button each time before you pull the arm...
Kinda over kill in mho.

if you have a single denomination game then when a coin is inserted it is considered a bet and is same is pressing bet 1, insert the second coin and it bets also, insert more than max coins and they are returned. this is what happens on my single denom $1 machines. there is an option to keep the coins going to the credit meter also but then you would have to press the bet one or met max each time a coin is inserted

on a multidenom machine you would also have to press bet one or bet max after inserting coins, since alll coins inserted would go to the credit meter, since the machine doesnt really know which denom you are playing

[Foster]

The machine that lets you insert coin then pull the handle to play
Is set for coin to game only or game first then credits.
This mode can only be used if machine is single denom, and coin matches player denom.


The machine that requires you press bet one is configured for all coins to credits first.
This will be default if machine is multi-denom or coin does not match player denom.

To make the machine that requires bet one press before you can pull the handle just has to be configured to match the machine with coin to game.
Also it helps if both machines have the same Game and Version chips

[osso12]

 
Ehhhhh... Now the condensed version Foster.
Im still sucking on milk, not chewing on steaks yet.
You gotta crawl before you walk.
Is it that my double diamond is simply a single denom machine and
My newer triple double wild cherry is multi denom?
So foster by what it sounds like you are telling me, i can change
My settings so that my double diamond will behave like the tdwc?
No? Walk me through the double diamond menu and i will experimet.
Maybe it will make sense to me that way.
 

[bhinkley]

Do you have the keychip for your machine?  I believe you will need that to get to that setting.  I can step you through it if you have the clear and key chips.

[stayouttadabunker]

Ehhhhh... Now the condensed version Foster.
Im still sucking on milk, not chewing on steaks yet.
You gotta crawl before you walk.
Is it that my double diamond is simply a single denom machine and
My newer triple double wild cherry is multi denom?
So foster by what it sounds like you are telling me, i can change
My settings so that my double diamond will behave like the tdwc?
No? Walk me through the double diamond menu and i will experimet.
Maybe it will make sense to me that way.
 

What would be your answer to Foster's question I've highlighted below?

...This mode can only be used if machine is single denom, and coin matches player denom....

Is your machine using a single or multi-denomination chip?
What coins are you using?
What chips have you installed on the MPU?

Remember, the more you can tell us - the better we can help you!

[osso12]

Do you have the keychip for your machine?  I believe you will need that to get to that setting.  I can step you through it if you have the clear and key chips.

Yes. But I don't want to key it again.... LOL....

[osso12]

Ehhhhh... Now the condensed version Foster.
Im still sucking on milk, not chewing on steaks yet.
You gotta crawl before you walk.
Is it that my double diamond is simply a single denom machine and
My newer triple double wild cherry is multi denom?
So foster by what it sounds like you are telling me, i can change
My settings so that my double diamond will behave like the tdwc?
No? Walk me through the double diamond menu and i will experimet.
Maybe it will make sense to me that way.
 

What would be your answer to Foster's question I've highlighted below?

...This mode can only be used if machine is single denom, and coin matches player denom....

Is your machine using a single or multi-denomination chip?
What coins are you using?
What chips have you installed on the MPU?

Remember, the more you can tell us - the better we can help you!

Double Diamond
IGT S2000
Model 96438300
SN: 1321940
MFG 12/03
362 SG chips
was using a SB001000 Now SB100054... keyed it, now it went from a 2 coin, to 3 coin which is what I was looking for.
I believe this to be a single denom machine. I am playing nickles at the moment... Just realized that player denom I think is currently set at 25 cents.. As I do not have a clear chip to clear it... since I am playing nickles would that be part of the reason too?

[Foster]

IF your Accounting denom is $0.01 or $0.05 you dont have to clear it
It is under 7.1.1.1 Accounting Denomination
IF you want to keep it a nickel machine use a key chip if you have to change the following to a nickel
7.1.1.2 Coin Denomination
7.1.1.3 Player Denomination
After you have the denomination set the way you want there is another area under key menu
7.1.10.2 Coin in option set it for: COIN IN TO GAME AND CREDIT

[osso12]

7.1.10.2 Coin in option set it for: COIN IN TO GAME AND CREDIT
ok... its set to "Coin to Credit".... it does not give me an option to change it...
So If I clear the machine, then key it... I should be able to set it to Coin to Game.... correct? Will that resolve this one?

[Foster]

Do not even think of clearing a machine. you will create more headaches for yourself.

You must use a key chip unlock the 7 Key Config Menu so you can change anything there.
IF you cant change it you need to double check some other settings and fix them.
Your player denomination and coin denomination must match! and also make sure you have the tokenization set to 1 as well.

Use the machine that functions the way you like it to set up the one that does not function the way you want.

 

[osso12]

also make sure you have the tokenization set to 1 as well.
 

Both denom are set to 25 cents...

Ok.. checking tokenization as we speak.. to make sure its at 1.

"7.1.7.1 Token Setup: This page allows the operator to set the token value. The range is 1 to 100 and when the token value is set to 1, tokenization is disabled. The token value cannot be set greater than the hopper, the credit, or the jackpot limit. If this option is enabled, the machine automatically defaults to the credit mode."

"7.1.10.2 Coin-In Option: This submenu determines how inserted coins are handled.
COIN IN TO GAME ONLY = Directs coins to the coins played meter, up to the maximum bet; returns additional coins to the player.
COIN IN TO GAME AND CREDIT = Directs coins to the coins played meter, up to maximum bet; directs additional coins to the credit meter, up to the credit limit.
COIN IN TO CREDIT ONLY = Directs coins to the credit meter only, up to the credit limit.
NOTE: This option is only available when (1) the game is in single denomination mode and, (2) the paytable program is not a multi-line, multi-coin paytable."

Which is basically what you have been telling me... So which of the three above is default? Or does it just personal preference?

[osso12]

went back and checked.. all it gives me is partial token cashout: enabled.... will not give me an option to change it.
As per the book:
"SG000362
NOTE: This menu is only available when using single denomination version programs.
7.1.7.2 Token Payout: Allows the operator to disable player-initiated cash outs of partial token credits or partial credits."
My other machine...the Triple Double Wild Cherry...the tokenization menue is slightly different...but it shows tokenization is set to one, coin to game......
which is where I want my Double Diamond Set... it will not allow me to change the menu on the double diamond like I want..... If I key chip it again, will my Double Diamond allow me to change the settings like I want? My guess is no.

[osso12]

7.1.10 Options
COIN IN TO CREDIT ONLY = Directs coins to the credit meter only, up to the credit limit.
This one is set on my machine... it will not give me flexability to change it to one of the other two desired options....wtd?
Or what would Foster do? wwfd?

[stayouttadabunker]

osso,
Your SG (GME1&2) chip pairs are SG000362's or 363's?

[Foster]

He has 362's
I wonder what VS chips are in the 2 machines?
Use 1 Accounting then Version to find out or pull both MPU's and look for a chip starts out VS0? (same size as your game chips)
I would be comparing the 2 machines config other than which payback percent they are set (but I would have already changed them to 98% anyways)

Eventually I would clear it if don't cooperate, but only after trying everything I can think of

I know there is something that we are missing to check but not being there to push the buttons I cant think of it.

[osso12]

I am out of pocket atm as i am an hour away from my house paying my slot tech a visit. He owes me a knife for my double diamond.
I have the version written down on my pc at home. I am using my cell to type this. I am hoping by the time i get home i will have scored another machine or at least some parts to tinker with. Manly a dsv00042 for each machine and some door locks.
He promised last time i spoke with the tech he would give me some one on one.

[osso12]

The slot tech told me to key chip it again and go straight into that particular menu and it should change....
He said that should be all that is to it as he noted since I did not realize the setting was there when I keyed it the first time, its only natural for me to have to key it again for me to be able to change that particular option. 3 min to get in there and out. Call me chain saw... ill post my findings....Im in there dude.