new to slots and need some help / guidance please

[mark805]

First - I am new to buying slots for home use and have no clue on how to program these things.

I bought my first slot machine a few days ago (IGT Double Wild Cherry) and could use some help. When I set my machine up it appeared to have some issues. I did not get directions nor did the gent i bought it from give me any guidance. It worked at his place so I knew it had to be something in transit. So what did I do first? Started playing with the key on the side and pushed buttons until i noticed some connectors seemed to work their way loose in transit. After plugging things in it seemed to work like it did when i picked it up.

So I push a dollar in the bill changer and it gets sucked in and stops about half way in. I pull the dollar out and thats the last time that dollar acceptor would take my money.

I get on the net and download a 77 page "Complete Service Manual" written by Marshall Fey. It looks complete but is a bit technical and missing some settings for my machine.

Anyhow, enough background...

Is there a way to reset the machine to factory settings? Like clearing a motherboard by crossing a jumper? ( I think I messed up the settings when i first fiddled with it)

Also, the machine is a 2 coin and it looks like i can program the size of the jackpot at its an blank LED (see photo) How do I set this to display a number?

As for the coin changer, it no longer cycles when you power up the machine, I checked all the connectors and they appear to be fine, there are 2 little red lights that are on when you look down the dollar slot. If i press down on the top of the changer it starts to whir and the cogs spin in the back. I removed and reinstalled the changer, cleaned the optics and still can not get it to work. I get a 99-5 code that means my changer hardware is malfunctioning. Does this mean i need to buy a new changer?

Anyone know where i can get a specific manual for this thing?

Here is the specific machine info:
Model: B5136DIW, S Slot
MFD 3/93

I know its alot but I did the search feature first and couldnt find anything specifically for my machine.

Thanks,
Mark

[mark805]

oh and here is the dollar changer

[edski]

You have come to the right place for answers to all of your questions.
You might get your machine working again too!

Do coins work, or is it just the BV that is the problem?

Ed

[StatFreak]

Welcome to NLG mark805.

You've found the mother lode for home slot owners!

Your machine is an S Plus. the good news is that there is more info here for your machine than for any other. Your Bill Validator (dbv) is an older model (dbv145). That isn't a problem, but it won't take the newest color money and will only accept bills face up with the head of the portrait facing right. Since you're having problems with it and to simplify debugging, I suggest using a $1 bill exclusively for testing until we know that it's working properly.

You should also read through our FAQ section. Just click on the blue "Rick's FAQ Files" button under the banner ads at the top of the page.

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As for the coin changer, it no longer cycles when you power up the machine, I checked all the connectors and they appear to be fine, there are 2 little red lights that are on when you look down the dollar slot. If i press down on the top of the changer it starts to whir and the cogs spin in the back. I removed and reinstalled the changer, cleaned the optics and still can not get it to work. I get a 99-5 code that means my changer hardware is malfunctioning. Does this mean i need to buy a new changer?
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That sounds like a loose connection or damaged wiring harness. The whirring and spinning you're referring to would be what one would expect of a functional dbv on startup. Can you double check that the connections are correct and seated well, and perhaps move the harness around a bit to see if that makes a difference?


If you can play the machine with coins as edski asked, then disregard the next suggestion.

If the machine won't take coins, then just for giggles, would you also take a look at the metal door on the cash can? It's to the right of the coin hopper when you open the machine. It usually has a hole where a lock would be installed and opens outward with the hinge on the left. Make sure that this door is well closed. While you're at it, you might want to remove the cash can and re-seat it again. Make sure it is all the way in. There is a sensor switch and an optic sensor for the can, and a sensor switch for that door, and the machine will tilt if the can isn't seated properly or the cash door isn't fully closed.

[mark805]

Thanks for the quick replies!

Yes the coins do work. It will take up to 2 coins. Is there a way to make the machine add credit for any coins over 2? right now when you add a 3rd coin i just lands in the hopper and doesnt give a credit.

I've been using a nice crisp $1 bill for my tests on the changer. All the connections appear to be solid. There are only 3 that go to the machine and dollar box correct? There are 2 on the right and one on the left. It gets power i think, i base that on the little red lights being on inside the scanning part.

f the machine won't take coins, then just for giggles, would you also take a look at the metal door on the cash can? It's to the right of the coin hopper when you open the machine. It usually has a hole where a lock would be installed and opens outward with the hinge on the left. Make sure that this door is well closed. While you're at it, you might want to remove the cash can and re-seat it again. Make sure it is all the way in. There is a sensor switch and an optic sensor for the can, and a sensor switch for that door, and the machine will tilt if the can isn't seated properly or the cash door isn't fully closed.

The can door in fact has a switch but it does not have a wire connected to it. (See picture) there is  lonely wire back in that area but doe not have the same connector.

[mark805]

Inside the cash box area. I looked for any lose wires and found this one behind the cash box but it has a different connection

[Buzz]

Mark If you can push down on the front of BV and it starts doing something. Its not installed properly It has two small ears in the back that have to hook in to the housing to hold the back down I have better luck installing BV with cash con out.  There was a real good thread ( with pics) on this very problem a couple of months ago. I'm sure one of the other members remember  can find it for you My pc is to slow today.  Shop manual is in   submit a file   near top of this page

[jdkmunch]

Thanks for the quick replies!

Yes the coins do work. It will take up to 2 coins. Is there a way to make the machine add credit for any coins over 2? right now when you add a 3rd coin i just lands in the hopper and doesnt give a credit.

Unfortunately the amount of coins is determined by the reel chip on the MPU board (a large circuit board on a tray that's located behind the hopper)  -  This game reel chip is known as an SS chip - if you replace this you basically change the game.   You can change how many coins - the payout percentage and the type of game.     On the home page for newlifegames there is a section on the right side toward the middle of the page called Rick's FAQ's-  that has info on "Game Change"

[mark805]

Buzz:

Thanks for the tip to find the manual. I have some reading to do 

I will work on getting that seated properly. I'll post when i get that figured out

[dpalmi]

Mark If you can push down on the front of BV and it starts doing something. Its not installed properly It has two small ears in the back that have to hook in to the housing to hold the back down I have better luck installing BV with cash con out.  There was a real good thread ( with pics) on this very problem a couple of months ago. I'm sure one of the other members remember  can find it for you My pc is to slow today.  Shop manual is in   submit a file   near top of this page

Hello!

That was my post

Here is a link with pics...

http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=731.msg8620#msg8620

Dan #2

[mark805]

I tried the pin alignment and that not the issue. I think it might make my life easier if i just switch the thing out with a DV that can do the new bills at the same time.

On another note: I have that progressive display on my jackpot and i can not figure out how to get it to display anything. I set my DIP switches to single progressive, restarted my machine and went through the self test process. I can not get to the progressive option. Any suggestions there?

[dpalmi]

Hello!

We need to know what SP Game chip you are running.  With the older ones, the progressive could be enabled via the dip switches.  The newer ones require a SET chip to enable.  To figure out which SP chip you have, follow the instructions at this link and post back here what you find

http://www.newlifegames.net/spset/SPSS.htm

Dan #2

[mark805]

I am using SP1160 and SS4325 chips

[jay]

Generally speaking when you change the number of coins you would change the glass to match.
The reel strips, glass and chips together is called a Game Kit.


There are two chips involved that run your theme. One is called a Game chip and the other is the Reel Chip.

The reel chip controls the theme, number of coins, pay table etc.

The game chip controls other features such as the progressives, and behaviors of the game.
For instance when you put your bill in does it go to Credits or does it work like a change machine and just spit out the coins.
This is all controlled by the game chip. One particular version of the game chip allows for Montanna Credits.
Montanna Credits are credit given for the extra coinage.

When you mentioned changing the Bill Validator to a newer one that accepts current currency you are able to do that for all bills except the new colored $5.00s.
IGT has not approved this for the S+ platform yet so JCM (the maker of the Bill Validator) has not been able to release the upgrade.

It would be my suggestion that we get your game running correctly before we start changing out bits as there is likely nothing physically wrong with what you got.
As you get more familar with your machine and there are lots of people on this forum who are quite willing to help you out in this respect there are all sorts of ways to pimp out your slot.

Thats assuming you can stay with just one.....

[mark805]

Funny you mention if I can stay with just one LOL... Wife already talking about a second one

The machine is working fine except for the dv and the progressive jackpot display .. Once that's all fixed I can move to another.. I think

[dpalmi]

I am using SP1160 and SS4325 chips

Hello!

I e-mailed you the PSR for SP1160.  This has all the settings in it for that SP.  The DIP switches are ignored on this SP, so you will need a SET chip to enable the progressive display (SET088, SET089, SET090, or SET091).  I think the SET090 is the most popular one...one of our vendors on top of the page could supply you with this chip.  I would suggest getting a clear chip at the same time - good to have both.

From what I can see in the PSR, this version does not support "Montana" mode meaning any coins over the game amount (in your case 2) would be passed through to the coin tray.  If you wanted to change that so extra coins go into credits on the machine, you would need to change this chip to a newer one.  Once you get the bill acceptor working, I don't think it will be an issue for you as you will be able to load up the machine with as many credits as you want.

Dan #2

[knagl]

Yes the coins do work. It will take up to 2 coins. Is there a way to make the machine add credit for any coins over 2? right now when you add a 3rd coin i just lands in the hopper and doesnt give a credit.

Is the extra coin falling into the hopper (ie. the machine "eats" the extra coin), or is it falling through to the metal tray where the player can get it back?

We'll get your machine up and running -- just need to tackle one issue at a time. 

As far as your bill validator, inspect the bigger rectangular plug on the left side of the validator (unclip it from the validator and wiggle it around in your hand) -- if memory serves, that's where it gets its power, and when I got my first machine part of the internal workings of that plug was loose, so it wasn't consistently getting power.

[mark805]

Dan #2 - I got your email and once I get home from this hockey. Game I'll check it out. That explains why changing the dip switches didn't do anything.

Knagl - the coin falls into the hopper, so it gets eatin. But like dan pointed out... Once we get the BV to work, the coin issue will not be much of an issue.

I would really like to thank everyone for their input and suggestions, you've all ben so darn helpful.

[StatFreak]

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I e-mailed you the PSR for SP1160.  This has all the settings in it for that SP.  The DIP switches are ignored on this SP, so you will need a SET chip to enable the progressive display (SET088, SET089, SET090, or SET091).  I think the SET090 is the most popular one...one of our vendors on top of the page could supply you with this chip.  I would suggest getting a clear chip at the same time - good to have both.
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mark805, I see that I left you in good hands!    I had intended on getting the SP and SS information from you but didn't want to overload you all at once.

When you buy the SET090 to use your progressive and a clear chip (IVC103) you should also buy a SET026 or a SET015. These enable the bill validator and set the denomination. The SET026 will allow you to set a penny denomination; the SET015 won't. You will want one of these chips, even if your dbv is currently enabled, because when you start buying game kits and swapping out chips you will need to turn your dbv on after these swaps.

It's even possible that your dbv is disabled now. I wouldn't dismiss the possibility.

To check, open the door and press the white test button two times.
The front display should now have a "2" in the Winner Paid window and a "1" in the Credit window (such displays hereafter referred to as "2   1"). The coins played will display 0.
Now put the jackpot key in the lock on the right side of the machine and turn the key five times.
The display should now read "9   n", where n is either 0 or 1.
A "1" means that the dbv is enabled, a "0" means that it is disabled.  You can't change the setting from here; you can only read it.

[stayouttadabunker]

On the top of this page on the right hand side is a little button called "Ricks  FAQ Files"
Read that a bit...you'll find lots of good things in there and it'll make you want to find out more than you are going to wanna go buy another slot, than another, and another.....lol

What I am trying to say is...it's like a good bag of chips....you cant eat just one...

Everyone here welcomes you to NLG and we'll all be glad to help you with any questions you have!

By the way, who won at the hockey game?

[mark805]

Seattle Thunderbirds 7 - Portland Winterhawks 2 

I love junior hockey

[mark805]

I read all those FAQs after I found this site... I wish i found you guys before I bought one.

[mark805]

SET chip to enable the progressive display (SET088, SET089, SET090, or SET091).  I think the SET090 is the most popular one...one of our vendors on top of the page could supply you with this chip.  I would suggest getting a clear chip at the same time

Where do i find these chips. Ive been checking the vendor links here and can not come across them. I did see an IGT Plus CPU clear / set chips for sale on ebay but it doesnt show the numbers you listed.

[a69mopar]

http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?action=profile;u=76
Jim at Blueridge has them you can either phone him or pm him.  If you were in the Toronto area, I could have helped out.  I believe Jim is close to you.

Thanks,
Wayne

[blueridgeslots]

Thanks for the recommendation Wayne, Yes, we have all the good stuff like SET, KEY, Clear, Percentage and Security Software available, we can also supply Documentation on how to use as well