DBV-200 will not accept bills

[Sherrie]

I need help with a Sizzling 7s Machine; please keep in mind I have two things going against me.  First I am a rookie when it comes to slot machines (although I am proficient with computers dating back to the old IBM 8088 days when you repaired the Mother Boards unlike today you just toss them away) and second I am a Blond! I have read through pages and pages of Posts on this forum so hopefully I will list everything I have tried so far and all the specs that are required on your part.

Manufacture date is Aug 1994; SP731 chip set, all main board dips are set to off (when I toggled through the tests that brought up the chip set and program #’s for the payout it showed 731 then flashed 3343 which is not on the Sizzling 7’s chart that is listed on this web site).  This machine takes the .25 tokens.  IGT S-Plus (not a slant top).

It has the JCM DVB 200-B123 Model Bill Acceptor ID 22/23 Eprom Chip V2.2-4-02 (5A53) all dip switches are set to off on the bill acceptor so it is ID 23.  The red sensor lights are on but the brezel led lights do not come on.  The bill acceptor is my problem.  When the power is turned on it cycles on properly (someone posted videos of proper & improper cycles; it will not even attempt to accept bills; I know they do not take the new $5 bills.  It just will not try to grab any bills.  In the self test mode I set the max hopper to 9999.  Was I supposed to set dip switches 1 & 2 to on before I set the Max hopper?  When I go back into it, it shows it is set to 9999 still, before I changed it there were 0000.

I know the history of this machine and everything worked fine until that dreaded error 61 which would not clear so I purchased clear ram chip and the bill acceptor chip #15 which is the correct one.  I cleared the ram and the game works just fine except the bill acceptor so I followed the instructions to enable the bill acceptor and set it to 9_1 (enabled) but misunderstood when setting the denomination which was my first rookie mistake.  I thought it was for the bill acceptor maximum so I set it to 10,000 so it would accept a max of $100 bills.  Bill acceptor did not work but the machine still accepted the tokens and I could play it.  I finally realized the error I made so I inserted the bill acceptor chip, it still showed enabled and I set the denomination to .25, the machine denomination and I saved the settings.  I installed the game prom chip, the acceptor still does the same thing, it will not attempt to accept bills, no led lights, senor lights work and it cycles up when power is turned on.

I have the S-plus manual but it shows the DVB145 bill acceptor which better tells you how to toggle through the test menus and I downloaded the SP731 chip manual that does not tell you which display windows the numbers are in so I cannot figure out how to access the Bill acceptor pay mode <0> [8] or the bill acceptor enable/disable mode <0> [9].  I do not know if one of those is my problem or not.  Please any advice would be greatly appreciated.  Everything appears to be plugged in.   

[CVslots]

First of all, a big  to you for doing your homework girl! 


Now we just need someone to tell you what you missed! One of the S+ pros will chime in...where's Jim/Midwest when you need him!


Roslyn 

[Sherrie]

Thank you, this forum is a wealth of information!  Everything I tried I got from here.  Hopefully some one will respond as to how to access the Bill acceptor pay mode and if abled or disabled under test mode in step by step instructions; you know, something a Blond can understand and follow. 

[CVslots]

Regardless of your hair color, you'll never be the worst student here....most new people, well, I shouldn't say MOST, but a very high % of new members, and a few of the not-so-new, post a question that is either impossible to answer (not enough info) or they post a question that has been answered dozens and dozens of times. They could find the answer if they simply use the Search button! Almost every problem anyones ever had with slot machines (S+ and S2000 especially) has already been addressed.

So your post was very refreshing! And I'm not just saying that because you're a girl, like me! 

Roslyn

[Sherrie]

When I go through the test pages this is what shows up per display window each time I go to the next test page.  I changed the pages 17 times, ( ) around a number means it is flashing

Winner Paid      Credits      Insert Coins   Coins Played      Coin Accepted
Blank         0      Blank      Blank         Blank
0(0)         Blank      Blank      Blank         0
5_0         Blank      Blank      Blank         0
10_1         Blank      Blank      Blank         1
10         Blank      Blank      Blank         2
50         Blank      Blank      Blank         Blank
8888         8888      Blank      Blank         8
0000         0000      Blank      Blank         0
The one above then automatically starts flashing through several series of numbers
0         Blank      Blank      Blank         3
3343         0731      Blank      Blank         4
Blank         Blank      Blank      Blank         5
Blank         25      Blank      Blank         6
999(9)         Blank      Blank      Blank         7
Blank         2(5)      Blank      Blank         7
000(0)         Blank      Blank      Blank         8
0(0)         Blank      Blank      Blank         1
0__0         Blank      Blank      Blank         (9) then (0)
The one above under coins accepted first flashes a 9 then it flashes a 0 and repeats alternating between the 9 and 0

Perhaps this is of some help as to why I cannot locate the Bill Acceptor pay mode or enable/disable mode.

[poppo]

I'm assuming the yellow bezel does not light up. If it does, there is something wrong with the BV.

From your first post, I assume you have the PSR for the SP731.  Keep in mind that when the you first go into self test mode, you will be in "page zero" (0 in the coins played). Page zero has it's own "sub menu". You cycle through the menu options by turning the jackpot reset key. So press the self test button until you have 0 in the coins played and 5_x displayed (x might be 0,1 or 2). From there start turning the jackpot key while following along in the PSR.  You can verify if the BV was enabled when you get to 9_x (x should be 1).

Keep in mind the BV will power up as long as it has power. So check all of the cables going to the BV. If possible, post a picture so we can see if anything is out of place.

[Sherrie]

Poppo I went through all the menu items and it was set to 9_ _1 but I hit the test button just the same to make sure.  I also pulled out the bill acceptor transport housing again to check for some pin aleignment I read about on a 2008 post; that did not apply with mine because there were no holes for the pins to seat in on the back of the area it goes into.  When I put it back in the release lever (that has the red tip on it in the picture) will only stay in the up possition.  When I got two machines from a local club they both had major issues.  The other machine has a WBA-12 bill acceptor so I cannot change them out.  When they pulled the machines out who knows if they put the transporter back correctly or not.  Beore it got the error 61 on it, my husband told me they had a sign on the Sizzling 7 stating it will only accept $1 bills.

I closed the slot up (with the release lever in the up possition) and then I tried a $1 bill; it took it and then it rejected it.  I decided to put 3 tokens in to clear the blue flasing candle light; wouldn't you know I hit the 3 red 7s.  Very few tokens in the hopper because I kept it light to remove it to to the chip resets so I tried to play it out and it kept hitting.  I turned it off to deal with it this morning.  It was up to over 1300 credits so I had to keep filling the hopper to clear the credits.  Why can't those types of hits happen when I am at a Casino?  The hopper is set to pay up to 9999 in tokens.

I got the credits cleared and again tried a $1 bill, it went in but got rejected, tried it again and it took it.  Tried several $10 & $20 bills, it will not take them, it will only take $1 bills.  So I am getting closer, at least now the bill acceptor brezel lights up and it takes $1 dollar bills; now how do I get it to accept higher denomination bills?

I made an error on my first listing, on the mainboard dip switches the first 4 are on and the last 4 (for progressive play) are set to off.  On the bill acceptor all dip switches are set to off.  After looking through the PSR SP731 manual again I noticed it stated Clearing Resettable Bill Meters <10> if it shows 8888  8888 in the credit & winner paid windows to hit the spin reels button to set it to all zeros.  I found while in test mode I have all 8s in those windows plus an 8 in the coins played window; I tried the spin reels button, the jackpot reset key and then the other buttons (except the two that moves me to next page or page back), nothing would let me change those 8s to zeros nor could I get into any sub menus from there.  The next page was Imput tests I think; it would flash through sequences of numbers.  I am so close yet still so far away on getting this fixed!  Also if someone would let me know about the transported release handle possition, that would be great too.  It is inserted with the lever up and now the lever will not go down.

[poppo]

I got the credits cleared and again tried a $1 bill, it went in but got rejected, tried it again and it took it.  Tried several $10 & $20 bills, it will not take them, it will only take $1 bills.  So I am getting closer, at least now the bill acceptor brezel lights up and it takes $1 dollar bills; now how do I get it to accept higher denomination bills.

First make sure your denomination is set right. Then make sure that your credit limit is not set too low. If a $5 or higher will put it over the credit limit, it wil reject it. If that is ok, see if the BV head has a version number on it somewhere. The latest is 6.21 which will take eveything execpt the new colored $5s and I guess the new $100 coming out. So first try any older non-color bill if you can find it ($5, $10, $20). If the firmware is old it may not take any of the colored bills. You can also try cleaning the BV head. See this post.
http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=19766.msg162164#msg162164

[Sherrie]

The JCM DVB 200-B123 Model Bill Acceptor ID 22/23 Eprom Chip V2.2-4-02 (5A53) all dip switches are set to off on the bill acceptor so it is ID 23. I am not sure where to find the software version outside of what is written on the unit itself.  It use to take everything new except for $5 bills.  When I did the clear ram and activated the bill acceptor after I set the denomination to $100 (10,000) thinking it meant to set it for what the bill acceptor maximum would take as in $1-$100 bills.  I later realized I made an error and it meant the machine maximum so I put the chip back in and set it to 25 because it is a .25 cent machine and I saved it.

I cleaned the sensors; still will not take anything over $1 old bills or new.

Is that transport release lever suppose to be in the upright possition when in the slot machine?

Thank you,  Sherrie

[Foster]

Lever up
Also reach back on the left side of the housing and press the transport down it may not be engaging the cash can gears.

[poppo]

Also reach back on the left side of the housing and press the transport down it may not be engaging the cash can gears.

But that would not explain why it's taking ones and nothing else.

Ok, since it used to work we know the head's firmware is ok.

So when you insert a $1 it does give you 4 credits correct?

Have you checked your credit limits? Press the self test button until there is a 7 in the coins played. See what is displayed. That is the hopper pay limit. Press the button one more time, you will still have a 7 in the coins played. That is the credit limit. It needs to be high enough that the bill you insert will not put it over.

[Jim]

In her reply #4  she said it was at 25.   so anything over a five it will reject.  looking at the version number  I'd say the only five it would accept is the older version.


the blinking number only means that digit is ready to be changed.  since you have a 731 sp  you can do all the changes using the buttons on the machine.  e.g.  if you want to change that limit:  press the white test button,   until you get a 7 in the coins played window,  press one more time, you should see your 25 with the 5 blinking. this should be in the credits window. press the spin button to advance that digit, when finished press the change button, this should move the blinking to the next digit, advance in the same way, do this for all four digits, set it at 1000,  and you should be good to go.  set the first one in step 7 one at 1000 also and do the same for step 8 set it to 1000.


Hope this helps.

Jim

[poppo]

In her reply #4  she said it was at 25.   

Yep, I see that now. She must have thought that was the denomination, as that is not the default (a clear was done).

[Sherrie]

Well it almost worked.  It will now take $1's and $100's; nothing in between.  I removed the bills and decided to clean the sensors again, I put the acceptor head back in and now the acceptor led lights will not come on and acceptor cycles on but nothing else.  Back to the same problem.  Attached are some photos.  The first one I noticed a plug hanging when I opened the belly door to remove the cash can; the second shows that red tipped release lever for the transport; is it suppose to be up, right?  I did get it to go down to remove and reseed the transport but still no LED lights.  The rest are photos of the insides and the bill acceptor.  Ooops, it only allows two photos.

[poppo]

Check those cables on the right side of the head. Also check that the switch on the cash can door is working and/or the two green wires are tied together. If you do have a cash can door switch, it might be best to just remove the wires and tie them together to eliminate any issue with the cash can door being open.  Note: The switch may be on the door or in the box.

[Jim]

if you want to get the bill acceptor working you have to eliminate some things!  but before you attempt these you have to get the transport and head put back in the machine correctly, check and see if the tywraps that hold the cable that runs along side the right side of the housing does not interfer with the transport from resting at an angle, this will prevent the transport from engaging with the cash can. in your picture, there are two dog ears at the front of the transport, one on each side, they go over and rest on the metal housing that the transport goes into, your dogears are in between the metal housing. the red lever controls the gear train intermesh with the cash can, in the down position it is easier to remove the transport. in the up position it allows that gear to mesh with the cash can gear.  the two plugs on the left side of the 200 head are as follows: the front one is the power and comm. between the machine, the rear one is for the bezel lamp control, you can unplug and the front one to get the unit to cycle opposed to turning the machineoff and on.  there is a stand alone test to test the head, basically you move some switches on the 200 head  have it disconnected from the transport, use the black power supply from the machine and you can run bills through the head until the cows come home. you can go to test # 27 in the inputs test, this will turn on the bezel lamps and allow you to put bills into the acceptor, it will take then in ,hold a few seconds then return the bill.  wiggle all the connectors while looking at the red LEDS on the left side, you should see two on solid at all times. there are two distinct power on cycle noises that are made, the first is the cash can and the transport meshing and the second is the transport to head meshing. after power up cycle is complete, remove the cash can, the unit should start to cycle looking for the cash can, when you put it in it should stop,  remove the plug at the front right, should do the same thing. also in your picture, its hard to tell if you have vents on the black power supply, that version is required for a 200 head, lastly, the plug you mentioned, I think that is for the harness that goes to supply power to the CC-16.

Try some of these things I mentioned

Jim

[Sherrie]

Well the LED lights came on but the bill acceptor will not cycle up.  I just do not have the time to really fool around with it until weekends.  My husband is extremely ill especially the past two weeks.  Finally got a doctor outside of the VA and he put him through a series of tests last week, today we will get the results; point blank, cut & dry.  The VA did not do most of these tests or not as thoroughly.  He is going through the typical stages of a Vietnam Vet; if you made it home not in a body bag, were in the areas where they dumped Agent Orange which he was in the middle of the highest dumped area, then Vietnam will kill you during your 60s.  I just cannot consentrate this morning.

There is no wiring or door lock on the cash box door so I guess that has already been done.  Later I am going to try and track down those wires, perhaps they are not tightly tied together.  Not sure what Jim means by the dog ears, every time I inserted it, it went in the same way.  The power supply for the bill acceptor has the vents in it.  Thank you, Sherrie

[poppo]

Well the LED lights came on but the bill acceptor will not cycle up.

When you get back to working on this, can you explain "will not cycle up". It does not make any sound or do you mean the bezel just never comes on again?

Be careful with those wires on the right side of the head. Normally there is a small metal shield there that holds the cables so that the door latch does not catch on them and break/frey them.

[Sherrie]

The LED brezel lights up when I turn on the machine but the bill acceptor does not make any noise when I turn on the machine, natually it will not attempt to take bills again.

[poppo]

First, just to clarify so everyone is talking about the same things, there are 3 "lights" we refer to. The first is the one on the bezel on the front of the door (usually yellow) that says insert $1-$100 or something similar. That will only light up after the BV is enabled and ready to accept bills. It will go out for example after the credit limit is exceeded. It uses 2 incandescent bulbs. Next are the red LEDs you can see if you look inside of the "duckbill" where you insert the bill. That is just a sensor I believe. And last are the LEDs that are on the left side of the BV head between the two connectors. Those are "diagnostic" LEDs.

Now, does the head/transport make any noise at all when you turn it on? Because if something is jammed, it might make an initial noise like it's going to try and cycle but then shut down. If it does not do anything at all, look and see if the LEDs on the left side are flashing. See the attached to interpret the LED flashes (if there are any).

[Sherrie]

The yellow bar that is above the duckbill was on but today it is off.  Inside the duckbill I see 4 sensor lights that are on and the two red LED lights by the power plug are on, not flashing.  When I turn the power on the machine the bill acceptor will make a one second noise and then stops.  I pulled the cash box out and the transport out again and set them back in; did not make any difference, everything was just like I listed above.

That file you sent does not state in proper working conditions what those two red LED lights should show.  Always on or always off.  Do you know?

[poppo]

On mine, both of the LEDs are on from power up until it's ready. I think they only flash when you have inserted a bill.

I would remove and re-seat the whole transport assembly. While you have it out, see if you can manually move the larger gear that is below the release handle. And double check that wide cable on the right of the head that connects the transport to the head. Make sure it is seated all of the way and no wires are coming out.

There is also an issue where sometimes the gear from the transport that mates with the cash can, where it will bind on the front of the opening it comes through (arrow in picture) and the transport will not cycle. Some of us have enlarged that opening to prevent that. But as long as the transport is properly seated, and is all of the way back, it should not be a problem. But I noticed you are missing the left side holding screw.

Click on picture to enlarge.

[Sherrie]

I took it out and I cannot move the transport gears at all with the release lever down, I put the release handle up and I could move the gears perhaps a quarter of a turn at the most.  All cables are pushed in properly too.  I did however notice something on the cash can.  I pulled it out to check the gears and noticed the outside housing right by the gear was bend out about an eighth of an inch.  I carefully pounded it straight, put everything back together and when I powered on the machine it normally cycled up the bill acceptor but again no bezel light.  The two LED lights by the bill acceptor power plug are both on.  Kind of sound like I am back to square one.  Attached is my photo of what you sent me, all that appears to be correct.  Also sent one of the front of the bill acceptor.  Where the left thumb screw goes, it is broken off the transporter so there is nothing to screw in to.  I was told it has been like that ever since the place I bought it from and it worked fine then until a year later when that error 61 came up.

[Sherrie]

I messed with it again for the past couple of hours.  I have a feeling the transport & the cash can are just not seating right.  I took the cash can out and all the gears on the transport are moving when the power is applied.  When I put the can back in and power is applied it now keeps cycling like it is searching for the cash can still.  The bezel light does not come on (where the duckbill is) and the two LED lights stay red (by the bill acceptor power supply).

I checked where the cash can goes and cleaned it real good but there are no obstructions.  I guess that one time I got lucky and it all lined up but would only accept $1 bills and $100 bills; no 10s, 20s or 50s, new or old style.  There is very little play with the cash can when inserted so I even tried wiggling the cash can up, down and side to side while it was searching for the can, no go.

I guess the next thing to do is throw in the towel and  replace all three parts with a known working entire unit.

[poppo]

I messed with it again for the past couple of hours.  I have a feeling the transport & the cash can are just not seating right.  I took the cash can out and all the gears on the transport are moving when the power is applied.  When I put the can back in and power is applied it now keeps cycling like it is searching for the cash can still.

Ok, this is a clue. Is it cycling several times or making sort of a clunking sound like in the third video here?

http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=14959.0

If it's cycling, check the gear on the cash can for broken teeth (and the last one on the transport too). On the cash can, with it removed, you should be able to turn that gear with your finger a few turns. Look in the can while you are doing it to make sure the stacker is moving. Sometimes the stacker will get off of the track and cause it not to work properly. Everything should look straight and centered like the picture below.

If it's making the clunking noise like in the video, check the cable on the right front of the head (as you are looking at it). Inspect it where it goes along the side of the transport. Sometimes it gets chewed up when people insert the transport.

Also try powering up with the cash can out. It will cycle several times before giving up. Then insert the can. Don't be afraid to slam it in there hard. The unit should cycle again if the optics are working.