IGT Double Double bonus poker slant top

[jay]

 Closure means the door was closed. This goes away after a game is played.
Restart means the machine was turned off. This goes away after a game is played.
5 is the number of coins played in the last game. This remains unless of course you play 3 coins in which case it changes to a 3

Try just the jackpot key leaving the door closed.

[Lyzard]

OK great now I know what they mean but I have tried the jackpot key and nothing happens

door open or closed    still get the Coin in Time out Error 

will not clear also the bv keeps cycling not sure why the cash can is in correctly

I can post a video of it if necessary

Lyzard

[jay]

The first procedure should have worked.

The turn of the key with the door closed should have put you into statistics mode.

My suspicion is the key switch is not doing its job.

Check the wires from the key switch

[crgadyk]

I don't have a slant top so it may be different but my bar top had a coin in error that wouldn't go away. I took the coin in parts out and gave them a good cleaning including the sensors and the coin comparitor. I put everything back together and made sure it was all seated together properly and the coin in error went away. It may have just been coincidence that it started working since I didn't really know what I was doing but it did work for me. I have a bar top PE+ so its fairly similiar in setup to a slant top.

[Lyzard]

I can get to the statistics screens where i can check things out like the lighs on the buttons and the hopper motors they all work and when I check to see if the jackpot key works it changes from 0 to 1 so I assume it is working

but with the door closed the jackpot key does nothing

so here is what i do

1. I open the hatch and press the white test button don't have to hold it down

2. I can check out the Inputs of the machine

3. press white button again I get to the output tests and can test them

4. Next button push takes me to the hopper test and when jackpot key is turned it dispences 10 Nickels

5. next press of button takes me to the color blue

6 next press takes me to Green

7 nest press takes me to Red

8 press again get a grid

9 next is a color bar

10 then out of service

then it goes to "Verifying data " and then resets to cards for the gameplay but the error comes back

Lyzard

[Lyzard]

  still can't get the error to go away

Have been trying to upload a video but the file is to large

have been trying to reduce the size but i can't get it to be less than 8 meg

have tried the jackpot key and door closer techniques and they do not clear the error

Help please

Lyzard

[Lyzard]

  was wondering

does anyone thing a clear chip might help me clear the errors out of this machine

and where can I get a clear and set chip for it

Lyzard

[nikstar]

  still can't get the error to go away

Have been trying to upload a video but the file is to large

have been trying to reduce the size but i can't get it to be less than 8 meg

have tried the jackpot key and door closer techniques and they do not clear the error

Help please

Lyzard

Upload it at youtube or similar and post here the link

[knagl]

here are some more pic's

test button pushed and get these

...and there's your problem.  See the zeros next to the "COIN DETECTOR" A, B, and C inputs?  On a working game, those should be ones, like this:



A zero means that the machine either isn't seeing a completed circuit, or that the optics are currently blocked. 

On a working machine, when you drop a coin in the optics momentarially switch from 1 to 0 as the coin goes by, and then right back to 1 once the beam of the optic pair isn't broken by the coin.

Based on that test screen, here are the possible situations with your game:

- You have no coin-in optics in your machine
- The coin-in optics are unplugged
- The wiring is bad between the coin-in optics and the motherboard
- The coin-in optics are bad
- There is something physically blocking the optics (a piece of cardboard or paper shoved into the optics assembly, or a jammed coin or similar)

Can you please post a couple of pictures of the coin-in area on your machine, in particular the area with the coin comparator and the area directly below that (which is where the coin-in optics are located).

Also, as nikstar mentioned, if you want to show a video of your game, upload it to YouTube, and then paste the video link into a post here and it will display it on your post.

[Lyzard]

thanks for the suggestion about youtube

here is the video I made

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/qwqoqdORDec&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/qwqoqdORDec&rel=0</a>

the game was working (except the Monitor) before I change it now i get the error not sure why I noticed that there is a plug on the BV that is not plugged in but when I plug it into the only place I can find that it fits the bv doesn't work at all (doesn't even cycle) like it does with it unplugged

Other than that I am not sure what is going on

Help please

Lyzard

[crgadyk]

I didn't sit through the full 9 minutes so if this is covered in it, please ignore me 

Have you tried taking out all of the coin in pieces and cleaning them and reseating everything? I posted that a page ago but never saw a response. I had the same issue you are having now and it was due to the optics being dirty. I took the sensor apart and cleaned the 3 optics with water and a q tip and put everything back together making sure everything was plugged in correctly. The error then went away. If cleaning them doesn't help, you may have bad coin optics like knagl posted. By taking everything apart and cleaning, you ensure that its clean and that the wires are plugged in correctly.

[Lyzard]

  ok will do that and report back thanks for the info

[Lyzard]

ok did the qtip clean on the optics and still get the error

when go to test mode and test the diverter i hear the click but nothing happens when i close the door and turn jackpot key

is there away to make the bv work without the cc if i can eliminate the cc and see if i can get the game to play then i will no if the cc is the prob

or should i just order some replacement optics 

what are the costs??

[knagl]

ok did the qtip clean on the optics and still get the error

when go to test mode and test the diverter i hear the click but nothing happens when i close the door and turn jackpot key

What does the diverter have to do with anything?  Please re-read my post above.  In fact, I'll quote the most important part here:

...and there's your problem.  See the zeros next to the "COIN DETECTOR" A, B, and C inputs?  On a working game, those should be ones, like this:



A zero means that the machine either isn't seeing a completed circuit, or that the optics are currently blocked. 

On a working machine, when you drop a coin in the optics momentarily switch from 1 to 0 as the coin goes by, and then right back to 1 once the beam of the optic pair isn't broken by the coin.

Based on that test screen, here are the possible situations with your game:

- You have no coin-in optics in your machine
- The coin-in optics are unplugged
- The wiring is bad between the coin-in optics and the motherboard
- The coin-in optics are bad
- There is something physically blocking the optics (a piece of cardboard or paper shoved into the optics assembly, or a jammed coin or similar)

Let's start with the basics.  Since you said that your machine was previously working, you must have coin-in optics physically in the machine, so that eliminates the first issue.

You also stated that you cleaned the optics with a q-tip, so that means we can eliminate that there's something physically blocking the optics.

Have you checked the wiring harness that goes to the coin-in optics (located directly below the coin comparator) to make sure it is plugged in correctly?

Is the entire coin-in assembly properly seated and plugged into the beau plug completely?  Lift it straight up to remove it, and try re-seating it (note the guide pegs on the side of the cabinet and the holes in the coin-in assembly bracket that must line up to secure it into place).

Have you traced the wiring from the beau plug below the coin-in assembly back to the motherboard to make sure it's properly connected at the motherboard end of the wires?

On the self test input screen, are ANY of the three coin-in optics registering a 1 now (after you cleaned them), or are all three still showing a zero?

is there away to make the bv work without the cc if i can eliminate the cc and see if i can get the game to play then i will no if the cc is the prob or should i just order some replacement optics what are the costs??

No, you can not make the bill validator work if the machine isn't detecting functioning coin-in optics.  It's a hard tilt that will not allow the machine to play until it is resolved.

The coin comparator (what I'm assuming you mean by "cc") isn't the problem -- it's the coin-in optics which are located physically below the coin comparator.

I don't know what a set of coin-in optics runs for these days, but if you choose to buy a replacement set I HIGHLY suggest that you attempt to obtain one by posting in the NLG classifieds section (here) or by contacting one of the vendors listed on the front page of the NLG website.  Vendors who are listed on the NLG home page (here) have earned a spot by being trustworthy and reputable, and will not charge you outrageous prices for equipment that doesn't work properly.  If you choose a different vendor, you aren't going to be guaranteed the same results.

(As an aside, the only other possibility that I can think of other than what I already previously listed is that your MPU board has gone bad, but the chances of that are very slim.)

[Lyzard]

OK I have an Update

Progress I now have all 1's (as shown in your photo) in the test window and the bill validator will now accept $1 bills tried a $20 but no go (rejects it) new $20 the insert bill lights on the front of the bv (bill validator) don't come on but i can see the little red lights inside are on

but the CC (Coin Comparator) will not accept coins

when I push the little white button on the optics board it shows coins going in and it will play if i win so there are credits in the machine and close the door they go away and the machine is ready to insert coins

oh and when i check the coin lockout (in test screen) the led on the Coin Comparators comes on same with the diverter I hear the click but when I close the door no click and the coins are returned to the player

thanks for you help

Lyzard

[knagl]

That's good progress.

Have you tried adjusting the sensitivity of the coin comparator as I suggested way back at reply  #5 (here)?

Your validator likely won't accept most new style bills. I'd stick to $1 bills for the purpose of testing for now. If you let us know what model of validator you have (and if it's buried earlier in the thread, then just a refresher will work), we can tell you what it should be able to accept.

[Lyzard]

 OK missed the adjustment statement will do that and see what happens

as to the Bill Validator it is a DVB 200 or at lest that is what it says on the lable

Thanks again for your help

Lyzard

Edit:: ok adjusted the Coin Compairitor and all is good (COINS ACCEPTED) now only thing is the Bill Validator

[Lyzard]

  OK checked again after work today

the coin Comparator works great

now my issue is with the bill validator it would not take the $1 bill that i used to test it earlier but i kept trying it in different directions and it finally took it and then i put in about 6 in a row no prob. but It still won't take any other bill I thought maybe i might need to clean it but i don't have a cleaning card

do they really work ?

is there a way to clean it without one ?

Other than that the light on the front of the BV (bill validator) still does not come on I noticed a plug that goes into the top glass area that is not plugged in but when I did the BV didn't work at all

so i unplugged it and it works again but no front light where is says "insert Bill"

Everything else seems fine so far

Is there a way to test to see if the lights on the front of the BV light up some test in the test screens ?

remember this is a DDBP (Double Double Bonus Poker) slant top that must be a superboard cause there are 5 poker games that can be played

Thanks for your time and help

Sorry if I am asking to many Noobie Question

Lyzard

[Lyzard]

  ok am thinking about cleaning the Bill Validator with the Qtip plan

Is this a good idea as I don't want to mess it up

I will also check to see if the Dip switch #10 is off or on

will swich it the opposite and test

will update when I have done it

thanks for you time

Lyzard

[jay]

There are two protocol settings for the DBV. I think they are  20 & 21. The protocol needs to match the game software. One of the classic symptoms of the protcol being wrong is that it only accepts $1.00 bills.
Off the top of my head I can't remember which dip switch but if you have a manual handy (free download from JCM) it will show you that.

The absence of the light on the bill acceptor usually means that the bill validator is not active but as yours is accepting $1.00 yours is likely active.
You can validate this by stepping through your setup screeens (make sure you have no credits).

You can also test the bulb in the bezil of the DBV by swapping it with one of the ones in the door. Usually there are two lights on the bill validator.

[Buzz]

I'm not 100 % sure but I think the bezel light plugs into the front left hand side of the BV head. What color is your BV head ?  Black it will be a DBV 200, unpainted metal it's a DBV 145 ( a 145 is JUNK )

[Lyzard]

ok @ jay the dvb is black

also i thought maybe that the bulbs might be burnt out or something but I can't figure out how to get to them to see

I got the manual and it says that DS #10 is the one to switch will do it and post back

also there is a plug that look like it goes into a place behind the top glass next to the Bill Validator but when I plug it in the dvb does not respond at all

any thoughs

[jay]

The bezil pops off. The lights have simple twist bases.
What does your setup screens say regarding the dbv being enabled.

[Buzz]

Jay  A slant top bezel doesn't have regular light  bulbs. I forget what they are called but you , I think have to change the board. I've never seen one burn out. I have a have a whole bunch of them if that's what he needs, but no machines to test them in. Well no machines I can get to.



Lyzard  Here are two pic. top one can you see the black plug from the bezel to the back plug on the BV Head. Second pic. the white plug does go behind the glass to be pluged in.  If you open the top glass you will find the BV power supply fastened to the back wall.

[Lyzard]

OK @ Buzz yes i have that

there is a plug on the cash door that goes to the switch when i plug the two together the DvB does nothing also when I insert a bill it clicks a few time them accepts the bill $1 only so far but I think it might only accept old bills

here a some pics one of the plug that I am referring to and the other of the bottom of the DVB hope they help

I am not to worried about it at the moment but would like to get everything working

sorry for the quality of the pic's they were taken from my cell will get better ones if needed

the person i got it from said they just kept using the same $20

so i assumed it took $20's with no prob. but I didn't ask if it was an old one or a new one at the time

thanks for you time and help

Lyzard

Ps sorry about the pic's quality was taken from cell will get better ones if needid

Also did the ds #6 test and it only let the $1 all the way though rejected the $5 and the $20 I had but they were new bills