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[Lyzard]

ok thanks Jay

I will make a Request!!!

Lyzard

[Lyzard]

OK here is a weird one wife was play the Poker machine everything was great she it the cash out button (she like to hear the coins fall) about halfway through the payout I hear a Clunk then the machine tells me that the Hoppe was empty so I open the machine and the hopper is half full of coins so I stir them with my hand and close the door the machine make a humming sound then tells me that the hopper is full

well knowing the sound of a that is not turning i turn off the machine and figure that there is a coin jammed somewhere (there was in the elevator)  cleared the coin and made sure everything worked great so far

but I put the machine back together and now i get coin-in time out error so i go check the input screen all zero's so i reach over and touch the coin in assembly and they turn to one's ok that good i thought

but when i go to the next screen and check the coin lockout it does nothing for some reason My Daughter touched the coin assembly and the lockout light (led on coin comarator) came on

got to thinking maybe it was seated wrong i pulled the CC (coin comparator) back out and re-installed it nothing then she (daughter touch it again and all worked so i took it back out and noticed that the plug that the assembley plugs into is loose it moves around in the machine should it be tight so that it can't move or is it normal for it to be loose also noticed that the one for the monitor is also loose

should I tighten them up so they don't move

also might i have a wire loose in the coin assembly or maybe broke inside

when i did get it to work it let me put like one or two coins in then gave me the coin in time out error

thanks for your time and help

Lyzard

[Lyzard]

ok got that all sorted out

I check the wiring one the coin in assembly and noticed that one of them must have came loose or something so I made sure that it was all the way seated in the connector and then hooked back up

Machine accepts coins again Error fixed

to now to have a completely working machine all I need are some new button's , a light for the door next to the monitor and the lights for the bill bezel (not sure how to change those)

other than that machine is working just fine

OH almost forgot still have to De-gauss the monitor


Lyzard

[jay]

Mine is an upright and the bulbs are replaceable in mine but somewhere above in the thread they mentioned having replacement Bezils available for slants.

[Lyzard]

thanks Jay

Will go back and take a look

Lyzard

[Lyzard]

  ok now I need some help am really stumped

I have had a hopper jam twice in 2 days could the knife be worn or maybe the wheel in the hopper doesn't look worn

Is it possible that the knife might have come loose or something

I did notice when I had it apart last time to un-jam it that the knife and the wheel were both a little rusty not bad but a little could I or should I use some light sand paper to clean these up

when i unjam the hopper this time I will take pic's of what I am talking about

Lyzard

[jay]

Is the hopper jamming or the elevator ?

I would grab a towel and dump the contents of your hopper out on top of it.
Look for any foreign material. I use a towel as its easier to pick every thing back up and dump it back in.

On the back of the hopper there is a little spring and kind of a lever you can pull back the lever and then then wheel inside the hopper should move freely (what you are releaseing is called the hopper brake).

I know on one of mine I pulled from under the wheel about 10 years worth of coin wrap paper, bubble gum wrappers and some other gross gunk. Once clean put a couple of coins on your wheel and rotate them up. Are they being lifted and dropped by the hopper knife are they hitting the top of the coin optic.
Is there a gap where they are getting stuck behind the knife ?

Different wheels are designed for different sized coins. I personally run mine off tokens not quarters and have been told these would never work reliably with a slant elevator. (mine is an upright).

[Lyzard]

the last time it jammed the elevator was fine I didn't know about the lever in the back so I had to take the hopper bowl off and then I could get the coin (nickle) out I had removed the 3 screws in the wheel so it turned freely I put a nickle on the wheel and turned it and it stopped when it got to the knife

I was able to cash out over 250 coins then it jammed

did get some paper out of it last time around will check again and update when I found out

Lyzard

[Lyzard]

ok here is what i found out

first off thanks Jay for the info about the hopper

I have now dicovered that the hopper is jamming more often has jammed 3 time in less that 3 days so I

I have some questions before i continue

1. can i clean the hopper wheel with some steal wool or sand paper

2. should I use some oil or mineral spirits on it to lubricat it

Thanks for your time and answers

Lyzard

[jay]

I wouldn't look to the rust or age (nees oil) as the cause of your problem.
I have never heard of any need to oil these things.

Your key items are:
Foreign material in the mix - broken hopper knife bits are common.
Coin wrappers.

Wrong sized coin. A dime in a quarter or buckle machine can create havock.
Technically they should be rejected but sometimes they get past.

Wrong sized hopper wheel. Depending on where you got your parts complete machine from doesn't mean you have a proper buckle hopper. They could have easily thrown in a quarter hopper. The most common Sympthom is a coin bumping on the U shaped optic.

Hopper knife. Are the coins getting in behind you knife. If so this needs to be replaced.
Once bent they don't bend back well. If your buying one get two so you have a spare.

[Buzz]

Jay  Slant tops usually have a metal knife, and no hopper optics. The coins are counted using a micro switch located at the very top of the escalator.

[Lyzard]

Buzz is correct there is a metal knife no the coins are jamming just before they enter the elevator not sure what this is I cleaned a little of the (what i thought was rust) off and they seem to work fine now for the most part I sometimes hear a loud clunk in the hopper but not very often

Lyzard

[Buzz]

The part were calling the elevator, are the coins stacked right on top on each other or are they kind of staggered ?

[Lyzard]

 on top of each other get pushed up from the bottom

the flow thew there fine can push them out with me finger

where they get jammed is just before they enter the elevator and just before they leave the wheel

Lyzard

[Lyzard]

OK i took the hopper apart

Took out Knife wheel and cleaned all parts and re assembled everything working right as far as the hopper goes

Still getting Coin in time out error once in awhile all have to do is open hatch and close and error goes away for some time but once in a while it sneaks up on me

found all kinds of stuff in the hopper when I did the cleaning looks like what I thought was rust was cigarette ashes or something I think the people that i got it from used the darn coin tray as a ash tray or something

also had hair of some kind in it

Man some people don't know how to treat a helpless machine

Thanks for you time

Lyzard

[Lyzard]

OK I discovered after some long tests that the one of the screws that hold the knife in place was loose tightened it and all is well

This machine didn't come with a card reader or a player tracker display the hole's in the top glass are there but there is no hardware just empty hole

is there a way to put the hardware card reader and display back (if I can locate one) and have them work for something or should I just put something to cover the holes

I would like to have something in them but if there is nothing that can be done will just cover them up somehow

Thanks for you time

Lyzard

[jay]

The player tracking equipment is pretty much non functional without the computer system to run it.

I believe that the mastercom unit has scrolling LEDs and some of the folks here have hacked the chip and reprogrammed it to say welcome to lyzzards casino or something similar. On my s+ units I have used that space onu slits to put in a progressive display.  On the PE+ upright there is no such space. I have used a gateway to display the progressive jackpot value on the screen.

A couple of the dealers on the home page have replacement blanking plates. Others have simply taken some black plexy, cut it to size and double sided taped it to the hole-ridden one. As bush-league as the latter sounds it usually looks pretty good. One fellow I know used his Laser printer to generate a now-showing sticker that he put over the holes. I think you can get sticker type material from staples in the speciality stock isle.

[CVslots]

We've used mirrors before as well. Cost about $3 at the local glass shop...

[Lyzard]

ok I have another Question

is it possible to use a A 0.800" token in a nickel machine without changing the hopper and elevator I have a nickel machine and would like to use token's instead of nickels for the kids to play

Also does anyone know where to get them reasonable

Thanks for you time and input

Lyzard

[crgadyk]

You'd be better off with the nickels. It would be cheaper in the long run to lose some nickels due to shrinkage than it would be to buy tokens. I remember a thread on here a while back where someone was looking for nickel sized tokens and it was going to cost 5 cents or more per token so everyone told him to keep using nickels.

If you are really set on using tokens though, a WTB ad is an easy way to let people know you are looking to buy something.

[Lyzard]

OK I have a weird question is it possible to have poker and slots on the same machine I have a PE+ that has five (5) poker games is it possible to remove one or two of the poker games and put a real type slots in its place I like poker but would like some different games if it is possible

if it is where can I find the chips for them

Just thinkin out loud

Lyzard

[jay]

Short answer No.

The PE+ is controlled by a program and game chip along with four m?o and a caprom.
These latter 5 chips manage the graphics.

Multi-poker can be managed in a couple of ways.
First there are two multi game chip sets.
 This consists of all 5 games on the one program chip. This is most common.

Then there is the optional daughter board.
This takes 5 individual program chips so while this sounds a lot like what you would want for a do it yourself multi game the catch is that all must share the same game chip and the same set of m?o graphics and caprom.

I have several slot games that share the same graphics set but I have never tried them together on the daughter board. None share the same graphics as the poker games.

[Lyzard]

darn then would it be ok to build a mame machine that will play the Real type games and if so how do i make it auto boot to the games

also is there other Mame roms for real casino games other than the Player's edge games I have those working on my laptop but would like to pu them in a cabinet eventually

Lyzard

[jay]

Personally I think the PE+ slot games are pretty pathetic. The games are like River gambler, double diamond, red whit3 and blue.
The reels are the same as the S+ equivalent but the reels spin pretty slow in comparison.
There is no reel tables on the screen etc.

If you want a good selection check out the masque set of games. There is about 10 slots in each pack and you can get IGT, Williams etc.

I use a touch screen tied to a PC and it works very well.
Touch screen came from eBay for about $50 from a used kiosk platform. There is a USB cable that goes from the screen to the PC allowing the screen to emulate a mouse.

[knagl]

darn then would it be ok to build a mame machine that will play the Real type games and if so how do i make it auto boot to the games

also is there other Mame roms for real casino games other than the Player's edge games I have those working on my laptop but would like to pu them in a cabinet eventually

There's a MAME category here on the forum (click here) for discussion of MAME stuff, plus there are a number of message forums that are dedicated to MAME.

Just like the slot software/ROMs for the actual machines (since MAME uses the same stuff), we don't allow discussion of trading of software or ROMs anywhere on this forum (including in the MAME section).  A Google search might yield you some results, but that's about as much information as you'll be able to find here.  It's simply too risky to the future of this site to discuss where to obtain ROM images for any gaming machines (or their MAME equivalents).

I will second what Jay said, too, about the PE+ not being able to do video poker and slots on the same machine (at least at the same time).  The chips that work with the wingboard (the daughter board that Jay was talking about) specify a list of specific poker games that work with them, and that's it.  There simply wasn't enough room in the graphics chips (or the program chips, quite likely) to have video poker and slot machine graphics in the same machine in the PE+.