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« on: February 23, 2009, 02:45:56 PM »
OK Guys this one has me kinda stumped.
     When I first started working on IGT S and S+ games they had coin in switches.....Something many of you have never seen LOL anyway I am working on some later machines that have embedded WBA's in them and need to bypass (eliminate) the coin in Handling (optics & Comparator). I looked it up in my 1993 S+ factory embedded book under coin in handling and it shows the
wiring diagram for the coin sw with comparater going to pin4 and 10 of the p301 (12 pin) plug. The coin in sw is shown wired as Normally open with nothing connected to the normally closed side of the sw. However when I unplug this harness I still get a 21 Error code. Can anyone tell me a way to bypass the coin in optics so that the game will play and not look for a coin in signal ??
I am of the frame of mind that it is the later SP's that are causing the problems in this endeavor.
At any rate any info would be appreciated as always.
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« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2009, 02:59:21 PM »
Quote from: Slot Docs on February 23, 2009, 02:45:56 PM
need to bypass (eliminate) the coin in Handling (optics & Comparator).

Hello!

I'm just curious - why would you need to eliminate the coin in pieces?  Couldn't you just leave them in there and not use them?  Unless you don't want to have the parts in the machine...

I seem to remember an old post where someone had done this with a jumper wire on the comparator connector.  Can't remember if it was for a S+ or S2000 or if it was on the old forum - I will do some searches...

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« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2009, 03:02:00 PM »
SlotDoc:   What are you trying to do ?  I don't understand ----do you have a switch, or optics, is there a coin comparitor or a mechanical coin mech?

Why do you want to eliminate the coin in circuikts or bypass them?


I think I have a solution,but I'll wait for your response.

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« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2009, 03:10:05 PM »
Just to solve everyones curiosity,
This particular batch of games is going to a game room and all they use in the rooms is the BV and they use the games
set up as knock offs (where you key the credits off). I would like to be able to keep the coin in handling for future use
for machines that I sell for home use as an amusement game, or to replace bad ones when I need to on Service calls to
Games in peoples game rooms (home Use)
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« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2009, 03:14:59 PM »
Is this the switch you're trying to bypass?

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« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2009, 04:34:59 PM »
hey There,
      Nope that is the service coin button.....located on the coin in optic assembly. I want to be able to remove the coin in optics
by unplugging them at the 12 pin connector for the coin in harness and still have the game function. That way I can use the coin in optic assembly, diverter, lockout, and or comparator for other games.
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« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2009, 04:58:37 PM »
oh!
okay, you want to get rid of all the coin mech and everything - just use the DBV alone. yes
Will  IGT give you any answers?, I'd call their support unit...? Scratch Head
There must be a way to do that because none of their machines use coins anymore. no
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« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2009, 05:24:14 PM »
You can use a "dummy plug" to make the machine think that the coin gear is in the machine. You remove the entire coin mechanism wiring harness and plug the "dummy" into the end and it loops around. I will see if I can get a picture for you. april
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« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2009, 05:41:51 PM »
That would be awesome April!
That's exactly what SlotDocs is looking for...
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« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2009, 07:41:56 PM »
Quote from: stayouttadabunker on February 23, 2009, 05:41:51 PM
That would be awesome April!
That's exactly what SlotDocs is looking for...

What he ^^ said. Thanks for posting April. applause

You've got me curious as well. Is it as simple as looping a wire or two or are components needed to simulate a signal that the software is looking for?
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« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2009, 08:51:11 PM »
Must be similar to the Bally plug in you can use instead of the hopper.  My first machine came modified so you didn't need coin or hopper.
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« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2009, 10:09:22 PM »
Hey there April,
      Thanks for posting, That is indeed what I am looking for........a pin out of the device along with that pic would be fantastic.
Thanks.
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« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2009, 01:53:38 PM »
Here is a pic of the plug. april

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« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2009, 02:12:17 PM »
hey there April,
      Again thanks for posting the pic......I have a question for you though. The pic of the plug you show has 15 pins
the coin in assembly connector on the S+ games are only 12 pin. This looks like the jumper used to turn 4 or 5 reel
Reel harnesses back into three reel harnesses. In other words end of reel Harness jumper. IE it would plug into a the 4th reel position on a 4 reel harness if that game was to be turned back into a three reel game or if it was a 5 reel harness being made
into a 4 reel then it would plug into the fifth reel position. I believe that it loops certain features of the reel circuits back.
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« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2009, 02:19:35 PM »
I have no idea what I'm talking about...lol.

I think this might be for a S2000 - to use the "coinless" feature.  Not sure if a S+ ever supported this because of the lack of a ticket printer.  But again, I'm not sure.

In a S2000 with this jumper installed, does anyone know if you are also able to remove the coin optics along with the comparitor?

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« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2009, 03:07:46 PM »
In a S2000 if the connector is installed you can remove the coin comparator and optics and the machine will play as long as the coinless option is enabled. Hope this helps.
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« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2009, 03:25:49 PM »
Which in turn begs the question:    Does any of the S+    SP eproms allow for a coin-less option?
And, which pins are jumped on a 12-pin molex plug?
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« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2009, 03:43:00 PM »
This is what is installed in an S-2000 with out a coin comparator, and no coin head.

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« Reply #18 on: February 24, 2009, 03:50:47 PM »
Jim,
Thanks for the picture! applause
Is that harness plugged into a small board with one chip on it? Scratch Head
It sort of hard to see from the flash reflection upon the chip itself...
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« Reply #19 on: February 24, 2009, 04:29:24 PM »
Ok here's the answer people,
    Thanks to Jim looking into the schematic. Jumper Together pins 2,4,6 & 10 on the 12 pin connector where the coin in assembly plugs in..
Once again Thanks Jim much good Karma to you.......... Hail Hail
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« Reply #20 on: February 24, 2009, 04:36:04 PM »
Mark    its a IDX personality plug?????

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« Reply #21 on: February 24, 2009, 04:41:56 PM »
It's quite possible Jim, but I haven't played with IDX's...I couldn't effectively give you a good answer on that.
My love is for the old S+'s and CC16-D   24VAC coin mechs....


Great job on the schematics reading, Jim!  applause I've long wished for a better, clearer copy....  hissy fit
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« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2009, 07:55:27 PM »
Well,
I made this coin-less jumper....plugged it in and got error code "21".

Did I jump the wrong pins? Scratch Head

I have pin#2 going to pin#4 and pin#6 going to pin#10.
See picture diagram  I posted up>>>

If it's too small to see, click on the photo and it'll get bigger...

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« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2009, 08:09:58 PM »
Hey Bunker,
      Jumper 2 to 4, 4 to 6, 6 to 10. you will have two wires in the same connector at pins #4 and #6.
so that they are all tied togother. Or strip the wire between the ones you have already and just tie the tops together.
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« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2009, 09:20:27 PM »
Thanks for the answer SlotDocs!....but, why oh why do I feel like the guinea pig? rotflmao
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