Looking for s2000 Freeplay Circuit Information

[TTG]

So from what I gather, there are freeplay options for the igt s2000 machines.

The problem lies in actually acquiring one. Ive been in contact over a period of days with rudys site, using their comment box and was told they have the kit but its just not on the site and that I should contact them through an email. I go to send the email, and I get a response back from their account saying that the their inbox is full.

Another member here knows how to make the kit, but hasnt had really any activity for about two months, so thats not looking too good.


Ive built plenty of circuits in my day, and actually have a whole room dedicated to building and repairing electronics, ipods etc.

Im sure I could build a kit for myself with a little bit of research and testing, however I thought before I dive into something like that just to give freeplay to the one machine I currently have, Id first come here and ask if anyone has a circuit or information that could cut the r&d time down. I havent owned a slot before this, and I havent had this one for more than a week yet, but from what I can see, these machines are plentiful and have been in peoples homes for a good amount of time already, I cant understand why a circuit hasnt popped up or an easily available kit is out there.

My plan is to add an rf receiver to the kit I either build or buy, and paired with a remote, will allow me to remotely add credits for family members who want to play with my machine.

Nothing fancy, just a simple click or hold of a remote button and the credits will start to tick upwards. A kit that fits into the coin mechs 15 pin molex connector would be great.

My machine is a 5 times pay igt s2000, No coin mech or hopper, just a BV and Ticket Printer.

If anyone has information on a circuit or knows what type of pulses/signals need to be sent to the machine, Id appreciate it if you could share it with me. Any information will be helpful Im sure, as its less for me to look into.

Best Regards,
James

[FORDSBS]

Send John an email  @  john@rudysdeals.com

[TTG]

Thanks for the info, I will send an email over right now. They gave me a diff email that wouldnt go through. Much appreciated.

[JOHN42355]

Ford, Thank You For the Bump. I have Received Request for them. Here is the Link for The IGT FREE Play Kits.
http://rudysdeals.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=2260

[JOHN42355]

IGT FREE Play Device

[TTG]

AWESOME Thank you to both of you guys for getting me on the right path.

@John

I have a few questions about the kit.

1. Will it allow me to later add a coin mech if I make a pigtail harness?
2. If I hold whatever button I assign to the kit, will it repeatedly add credits one right after another one by one? Im hoping it does.
3. This is just a general question. How do I determine what key chip and clear chips I need for my machine. Ive read several things, and Im a little confused on how to determine that. One of the chips in my main board says s plus, but everything else on the machine seems to be s2000

Best Regards, and Thanks again guys, Im putting my order in, in about an hour,
James

[JOHN42355]

 

[TZtech]

James

Welcome to NLG. Have seen many recomendations for RudysDeals circuit on the site. If However You want to DIY have a look at this thread.
http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=15697.0. Currently running on S+ and PE+ Platforms - changing it to work on S2000 should be a matter of changing a few lines of code.

The RF reciever is an option - You could also use a standard programmable remote - The basic dialect I use has built in IR decoding capability

You may also find this thread of interest
http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=18705.0

[FORDSBS]

I got 2 from Rudy's & they work great.

[TTG]

The only problem I can see is that they dont continuously add credits when the button is held down. Seems like an important feature.

[TTG]

@TZtech Thanks for the info.

Anyways

Ive decided to go with Red7's product. I asked him a good 15 questions and he answered all of them the first time asked, his communication was very precise and patient.

Im pretty disappointed in rudysdeals, in fact a little pissed that I had to ask the same questions over and over before they were finally answered. If I hadnt been persistent I would have ordered it and realized that it doesnt continuously add credits when the button is pressed. Im sure I could add a 555 to the circuit to continuously trigger the rudysdeals circuit, but that wasnt the problem.

The email they originally gave me is so full that I got an error message back saying no emails can be delivered. Then the question I asked about it continuously adding credits when the button was held, ughhhhh, half the time it wasnt answered, the other half of the answers were vague until some finally said "No it doesnt continuously add credits" HOW HARD WAS IT TO JUST SAY THAT THE FIRST TIME I ASKED?

Im sure they run a good business, but I dont think I will be ordering anything from them if someone else has it.

[cowboygames]

On the same subject, but a little off topic, can these devices be used in conjunction with coin handling? I'm playing with the idea of the free credit switch but also leaving token operation for those that like the sound and feel of putting coins in and having them pay out

[TTG]

From what I can tell, if a pigtail harness is made from the simulator molex to the coin mech, it shouldnt affect coin operation. It may or may not need a few diodes to protect the simulator.

Thats just an uneducated guess though. Maybe the makers can confirm.

[cowboygames]

Thanks for the tip, I'd wondered about just tying the 2 harness's together

[JOHN42355]

James , In your prior Post, You sent a Email to a wrong Address and it failed, But you did send a Email with Photos of your machine and did ask Questions to Nicole , As She is not a Tech, And did answer the best she could, But Not to your standards on what your questions were. But She did answer. We don't work 24/7 .
Our Tech Works M-F and could of answered. Hope this answers your Question About your Reply

[TTG]

@John I dont want to get into an argument about this. However I can say the following:

Rudysdeals search doesnt work, you can type in igt, slot, comparator etc and nothing will come up
I Instead asked on the homepage chat window and was told that you guys had them... nothing about how to actually order them
So I scrolled through almost every page on the site (cause again search doesnt work) Couldnt find anything about s2000 freeplay
So I go back to the chat window, and ask.... something along the lines of... okay... how do I order them
I got back.. contact me @ Dxxa@rudys---deals.com <- edited to for spambots
I send the email and get this:

Your mail message to the following address(es) could not be delivered. This
is a permanent error. Please verify the addresses and try again. If you are
still having difficulty sending mail to these addresses, please contact
Customer Support at 480-624-2500.

<dexx@rudy----sdeals.com>: <- edited to for spambots
child status 100...The e-mail message could not be delivered because the user's mailfolder is full.

Okay, thats a minute or two wasted between a day or two between working that didnt work out, no big deal

So now we get to the point where the kit is up, and Im sure at this point you think youve done me a great favor.

However I asked on 4 separate occasions about if the thing added credits continuously when the button is held (which seems like a default thing it should do whether its a uc or 555 chip btw) After sending me vague answers about going into settings and messing with that, changing credits to 1 penny on a 5 penny machine etc etc etc I FINALLY got the answer on the 5th try "NO IT DOESNT ADD CREDITS CONTINUOUSLY"

If I didnt have ocd, I would have been like most people and just bought it after the first vague answer. And I would have spent money on something I wouldnt have wanted.

SO YOU TELL ME

DOES THIS SEEM LIKE ITS A SITUATION WHERE IT JUST "ISNT UP TO MY STANDARDS"?

I dont care WHEN my questions are answered or what time you guys work. I will settle for good answers during business hours. What I care about is STRAIGHT answers and usable information. If you scroll up you can see where everything went wrong, If I had been told it wasnt on the site, and given an email from the get go at the same time I was told you guys had them, everything else wouldnt have cascaded due to the fact that your search doesnt work...

Im pretty sure you guys are sponsors here, and run a really good business. The fact is Im new here and the last thing I want to do is stick out. But you guys have some things to work on...

[TTG]

But I will say this. If you fix those things (Search, Communication, maybe even some actual product descriptions etc), I will request my little rants to be taken down. I will request my entire topic be removed. And you guys will have a search that works, you will get to the POINT, when someone asks you a question, and you will have benefited. Meanwhile I will still be without a freeplay kit until it comes in from Steve.

My rant serves your business more than it serves me, because you will know the very basics of what you guys need to get on top of.

At this point, I am not happy with your site/communication (which often trickles down to sales and customer service and handling of everything in general), which sucks because you seem to be the biggest site out there when it comes to slot machine parts etc.

If your search sucks, or doesnt work at all, what does that tell me about your drive to serve me as a customer?

I would take a min and decide what you guys need to do, to get your business in order.

But at the end of the day, I give you my best regards.

[Red7]

A free play kit for s2000 cannot be used with a "y" harness. Although it could be achievable it it was desired. it could be added to the input into the device then to machine. The factory board as well as free play kits has to hold the optic inputs to machine in the low state, then pulse high to simulate coin falling through. If u "y" them together it would not work. If people require something like this, I can solder it up anytime u wish. The boards I have built are multi purpose.

I am not trying to take business away from other retailers, I can offer specific requests of need be. Thanks Steve

[TTG]

Ive built enough low level circuits to be able to vouch for what RED7 says. He has answered enough of my questions to convince me that he knows what he is talking about.

In case anyone thinks I have something to gain from this, I can tell you that I am in Chicago, and from what I know red7 is in Canada. I have never received anything from him, and will not unless I pay for it.

If you need freeplay for your s2000, Red7 is the guy to see. He is like me, not willing to sell someone something that he himself isnt proud of.


It perplexes me though about creating a y pigtail? It seems to me that one could add low level diodes to both the existing coin mech and coin simulator 15 pin molex, and neither would interfere with each other?

Perhaps, you can explain this in more detail red7?

[TTG]

Once Steve's (Red7's) Board gets here, I plan to add a 2-4 button wireless control to it. So your family members or yourself can add credits with the push of a button on a wireless remote.

If you own a machine for home use, a freeplay board is absolutely NEEDED. No way around it. Think about having a friend over and making him/her feel all that much greater of a person by simply showing him that he/she is important enough to add free credits for.

I personally dont see how a person hosting a machine at home, can go without freeplay. Adding quarters, and hearing them hit the hopper, or hearing it in general, is great, adding paper money is cool too, but any home machine will eventually need a simulator for adding credits.

Also, once I get freeplay going (I really dont want to spend any time learning about the freaking coin mech, pulses etc), Im going to dive into something that is actually more in the area of my expertise.  TITO using a rasberry pi, arduinao etc.

I have seen some posts on tito/progressives etc. My plan is to have a few ras pi's with wireless shields connecting to each other which will alow network type functions on a s2000 etc. That will take at least a month, but its what Id rather be focused on. Esp since red7 seems to have to coin simulator figured out already.

[Foster]

I am one of the ones that has done TITO and Legacy bonus via a program on Windows 8 currently as a windows application
Can not use the new Windows 8 interface and have access to serial ports makes for interesting reading on some of the developer forums.
I also did it in the Arduino Leonardo which allowed me to use my remote to add credits to it as well.

[TZtech]

TTG

There is a lot of info in this sub forum - http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?board=105.0 where A number of us have both PC based and Microcontroller based sollutions.
Would be very interested to see Your progress with the Raspberry PI - I have no linux experience and the Pi looks to become for PC what Arduino is for microcontrollers in the hobbyist market. Please keep us posted.

[Red7]

Hey there

Regarding "Diode Isolating" a Y adapter to keep the coin mech in place. as well as add free play.. Regardless if you add Diodes.. If the Factory coin mech is keeping the Optic input to machine in the low state, and the aftermarket free play device is as well keeping the same wire "low", when either or device goes "high" is will be cancelled out due to the other still in "Low"

The only way to do it is to interrupt the signal from the factory coin gear and have it controlled from the uC..

Thanks..