New owner with 3 IGT slots

[xpoc454]

Hello everyone. I recently had given to me 3 IGT slot machines from an uncle who passed away.  They were in his basement when it flooded but didn't go under water. They also got stored in his sons garage for a number of years after that.  They probably have a lot of problems but on initial startup, 2 of them gave me the error 12 and one gave me an error 61. 
So first of all, I decided to just go ahead and buy 3 new batteries.  The ones on the boards looked ancient.

While I am currently waiting for my batteries to install, I wanted to first confirm that I have IGT S or S+ slot machines.
They are all IGT machines and they look to have a lot of interchangeable slots.  But they are 3 different sizes and have minor differences between them all.

I have 1 Double Diamond Date on it says 2/1990
I have one Wild Cherry Date 4/1994
I have one Sizzling 7 Date 5/1993

Is there any place they will say if they are definatetly S or S+?

One example of the differences is the Wild cherry does not have an internal power switch that I can find.
The Double diamond has a switch at the bottom inside.
The sizzling 7 has a switch inside and in the upper section of hopper area with the reset button Ive read about.

Anyways, one step at a time I guess. First, I just want to make sure I am calling them the correct names.

thanks
jim

[xpoc454]

Here are the pictures of the three slot machines if it helps.

[xpoc454]

Number 3!

[cowboygames]

The first and third are S+, the middle one looks like an S and doesn't have an embedded DV but I could be wrong on that one. Don't remember when they switched and what the key differences were back then. Could be a very early S+

[CVslots]

Double Diamond looks to be an S, with the plate inserted in the button deck.  Wild Cherry and Sizzling 7s are S+. Just my thoughts...

[coorslight115]

One and Three Def S-plus...#2 we would have to have a picture of the inside lower cabinet and the main MPU board to be sure, looks like a "S" to me but could be an early non embedded s-plus

[CVslots]

I dunno....look at the button deck on #1...didn't some PE+ and S machines have that plate that the buttons sit on?

[knagl]

I'm with the others -- if the original poster can post a picture of the inside of the Double Diamond machine, near the hopper area, we can determine for sure if that's an S or an S+.

[xpoc454]

Did a little more looking. I found all 3 have power switches. The double diamond switch is on the bottom of cabinet and its reset is on the mpu. The mpu is on it, Is located on left side of cabinet instead of back.
All three are currently using tokens that are quarter size but the DD has a coin denominator. I believe this makes it easier to switch back to quarters.
All three mpus look identical to my untrained eye. I'll have a picture of them up tonight with chip information.
If one is a S model, is that a bad thing?
Here is picture of DD.

[mvco]

The Double Diamond is an early S-Plus model.

[Jim]

all three of the machines are S+.  the double diamond appears to be an intermediate cabinet.  I would go ahead and try to get them up and running before you attempt to replace batteries etc.

the fact that they come on and give error codes is a good thing.

after you get them running then you could replace the batteries if you feel inclined too.  I have seen batteries last up to 10+ years on those machines.

If its not broke, why fix it.

Jim

[coorslight115]

Looks like a pe+ with reels to me

[xpoc454]

I did turn them on. Everything lit up but two gave the 12 error and one gave the 61 code.  I know the machines have sat for 6+ years. So I figured I should do batteries on them all.

[Jim]

in your first reply you stated a code 21 on two of the machines.  big difference, 21 is a coin in  error,  12 is battery error,   machine won't do anything  with a 12 error until you replace the battery.


Jim

[blueridgeslots]

Looks like a pe+ with reels to me

PE+ are all Video, even if slot not poker........ so there is no such thing as a PE+ with Reels, the posts above are correct that is a Non Imbedded S+ Intermediate

[xpoc454]

Ahh, Thanks. I dont know I did that. Yes that is a big difference. I edited the original to fix that.

in your first reply you stated a code 21 on two of the machines.  big difference, 21 is a coin in  error,  12 is battery error,   machine won't do anything  with a 12 error until you replace the battery.


Jim

[xpoc454]

Some more information Ive dug up.
The chips I can read on each  board are the follows:
DOuble Diamond    Reel SS3442    GameProm SP731
Wild Cherry            Reel SS712     GameProm SP731
Sizzling 7                Chips have no stickers on them

I attached a picture of the Sizzling 7. They all look similar to this one but with stickers on the chips.

jim

[cowboygames]

Here's a tip, don't let those Sizzling 7's chips see daylight. UV rays erase them. You need to put some kind of tape or sticker over those little round windows on them to protect them

[xpoc454]

Thanks, I did notice they had little windows on them. I will cover them up with tape tonight.
Do I need to protect just thereel and game prom chip only?
Is there a way to find out what number should go on those if I get the system working ?

I get my batteries tomorrow night. Kinda excited to see what happens when I add them.

[cowboygames]

You need to protect any with those windows exposed

[jay]

Well the series of chips you have SS would indicate that all your machines are S+ and not just S.
The older S models took RS series of chips.

With respect to finding out what your siziling 7's are - thats a fairly easy task.
If you click on Ricks Faq (at the top of the page) there is a FAQ that steps you through identifing what your reel and game chips are.
The numbers get displayed on the winner paid windows.

While you are in the FAQ - you can also check out the IGT game bible - this basically lists out all the themes that you can convert your machine into just by changing the glass, reel and chips. Each theme can have different %% payouts so by knowing the chips from your earlier post you can get the payout percentages your machine.

[xpoc454]

I started plugging in the batteries to these poor slot machines I am trying to recooperiate.
None of them came back to life perfectly, but no suprise.
I going to mostly focus on the Double Diamond First.
The bottom lamp on top is flashing what I guess is fast.
The reels move i think 3 times and than I see the error code of 43.
I assume this means, from what I read, that the reel 3 has a problem.
Is the 3rd reel the one on the right if you are facing the slot machine?
My hope is it a connection problem or sensor problem.
ANy suggestions on how I fix this problem?


thanks
DOuble Diamond challenge 1!

[jay]

Or it means something rubbed up against the wheel.
If the error doesn't clear remove the reel and move it to another position.
If the error moves with the reel then you have a problem.

You can swap reels between machines.

[jay]

To clear a reel tilt error (41,42,43) - according to the manual:

Open the door,  turn the jackpot reset key close the door.

On occasion I have found this doesn't work the first time.

So.....
Open the door, press the white button once, close the door   |This puts the computer into setup mode and then back to normal with the close of the door.
Open the door,  turn the jackpot reset key close the door.    |This is the clear procedure, but it works better after having come out of setup.

I have heard some people have had to resort to a clear chip but I never have.

[xpoc454]

I switched out the reel to another position and the error folowed so I put in a reel from wild cherry and it worked!
Next error:
It worked and I won 160 coins. I got cocky and tried to cash out.
All I heard was a hum from the hopper 2x and now it wont accept coins.

I have two total hoppers for the three machines so I tried to put the other one in to see if the hopper was bad.  But it wouldn't fit. It kept on hitting on something. 
I noticed on the plug in the machine that their are 6 plug in spots and a bar.
On the other machines this bar is on the hopper but on this machine it is on the outlet.  I am wondering if this is normal for the older double diamond or if the rod pulled out of the broken current hopper and got stuck in the slot outlet.

Because the other hopper has the rod on it, it will not plug in due to the rods hitting eachother.
Here is a picture to make my explanation clearer.
Is this rod suppose to be in the outlet, hopper or both?

thanks