Bally Continental 847 Reels Shake not spin new member please help

[Karliesdad88]

Ok I figured out why coin accepter light stayed on the switch on the left side of reel mech was out of adjustment after looking at a pic I took earlier.

[Karliesdad88]

My coin hopper is now turning when I hit the coil on top of the reel mechanism it wasn't doing that before either must have been the stuck bent quarter! It was making a noise like it wanted to move before

[Karliesdad88]

My anti cheat coil behind the feature glass has a broken plastic piece that looks fried. If I leave the spring off of it the lights will stay on the board only the outside odds lights and first coin. If I leave the spring on that goes around the coils box the lights do not stay on.

[Karliesdad88]

I know I'm posting a crap load of messages but while dicking around again I figured out that if I put a coin in and give the lever a little tiny pull it will Engadge and I can pull the lever. However now my feature lights will not turn on I checked the fuses and they look fine are they supposed to be on?

[Karliesdad88]

Now after unhooking the spring from the anti cheat coil the feature lights are working again ahhhh these things are touchy!

[Karliesdad88]

Now there not working I'm calling it a night good night!

[OldReno]

Well, I'm pretty lost here, and don't have a lot of time, but it sounds like you're having fun.  Please do pics of all these things to ADD TO THE RECORD of information on how to fix these things.
Pay attention to your top unit, and especially to your odds disc.  Lubricate the odds disc shaft with oil and make sure it is free floating with NO restrictions. If your odds disc does NOT reset on coin in, you may burn stuff up from coils being on too long.
Keep your top unit dropped down and figure out what is going on.
You can push the armatures of many of your top unit relays and note how that effects the machine.
Keep a log here please for us, on this thread.  Pictures and wire colors helpful.
If you keep meticulous notes on what effects what, others can build on that.
What is the condition of your machine now, as it stands?
Is it casino floor ready?  Does it take coins?
Be specific and list all the things that are wrong.
Take notes on everything you do.
Will check back soon, I have to work on my Karma and do stuff and take care of shit.
Good job so far.  Ain't it fun?
You have downloaded the EM Manual, yes?

I'd love to give a class on how to fix these things. Probably take a good 8 hours from rebuild to troubleshoot/repair.  But, I don't know video....

[OldReno]

Post #103, what is the part number AND PAGE  IN THE BALLY EM MANUAL of the lever you gave a tiny pull to? I have no idea what you are talking about.  If you give a page then there will be NO CONFUSION EVER as to future discussions.
And why did you unhook the spring to the anti-cheat?
I am too busy to re-read 5 pages to find out where you're at, and my brain is full, ok?
Hey, XOXOXO
Peace.

[Karliesdad88]

I unhooked the spring to the anti cheat because it look all burnt up and the lights seemed to work with the spring off than later failed.
I did download the manual it is very helpful.
I am talking about the pull lever to spin the reels on the outside of the machine. If I give it a little wiggle the lever will than allow me to pull after a coin is dropped in.
Have a good day I will play around with it some more and read some more trouble shooting tips. I am waiting for the complete 3,4,5 reel manual should have it in a few weeks along with my new 742 machine.

[David B Fowler]

I agree with OldReno  
Also something OldReno usually tells newbie's be careful when activating things with one hand while holding the front door. You can complete a circuit and have a shocking experience, if only by touching a leaf switch that just happens to be HOT and grounding out with the other hand. It will wake you up .... make your eyeballs expand ... your hair will stand up.... bite your lip or cheek .... but mostly, say all the four letter words in your vocabulary plus a few more and then go change your underwear.

Seriously ... it happened to me with a video game and by using your hands .... it crosses thru your heart. Knocked me for a loop and caused a permanent memory of the experience so I take every precaution. I know you have a little one so be careful. Rule of thumb.... when checking anything electrical, only make contact with one hand ONLY.

The Fatman

[Karliesdad88]

Good ideal I've shocked myself once already good thing I didn't have the other hand grounded on something.  Thanks Fatman hope your day is going good

[David B Fowler]

Sounds like you have a switch on the inside of the cabinet by the handle mech that is not making good contact.

[Karliesdad88]

Yeah it started doing that after I adjusted the lower gear (half gear) one turn clockwise like the manual said.
Old Reno. You said to adjust it to the left counterclockwise? Should I try that?

[OldReno]

At ExFatman #109.  I sent you that shock. Seems to have worked.
If we do not refer to part number/names and page numbers this will be futility.

[Karliesdad88]

I cleaned all of the contacts on the machine with contact cleaner. The top lights are now staying on and the lever is unlocking immediately most of the time after a coin is put in the machine. The only issues I am now having are that there hasn't been a payout and I have about $20 worth of quarters in there can that be a issue? Only the outside and first coin pay lights light up on the feature board I'm not positive but it would seem like each additional coin odds lights would light up when you put in 2,3,4,5 coins?
When I hit the coil behind the reels the coin hopper circulates. When I hit the coil on front of the coin hopper nothing seems to happen. I'm happy about the progress so far when i got this it wouldn't do much at all. Thanks for the help

[OldReno]

What lever are you talking about?  Page number in the bally manual will greatly facilitate this!!!  What does bally call the lever?  There are probably 40 'levers' of some sort in the E/M's.
I won't play if you do not use the bally manual. I was a hardass as a slot instructor, and would have made you do pennance for not using the correct part name.

That said, * on ANY new pay problem, a slot tech, or a good keyperson ALWAYS pulls the hopper and notes where the payboard fingers are set at. This is rule #2.  Rule #3 is to note how many coins were played.  We know what is rule #1...
If you read my troubleshooting stuff, you will learn how to set up a pay on your machine.  To check that it works ok.  Pull handle.  Hold the clock fan and set the reels.  Release fan.  Rinse and repeat. Done.

[David B Fowler]

OldReno taught me this too....    Post Pictures of the problem area and use pointers if you can to show the switches and areas in question.

[Karliesdad88]

My apologies Old reno and you all. I was talking about the Handle assy part 28 on page 26 of the em manual. I really need to print this out because its a pain in the ass scrolling on the computer. so much easier to have it on paper in front of me. Im getting close to getting this other machine and manual. I appreciate you guys bearing with me. with that being said.. my machine has come along way with your help. I can now put a coin in and pull the handle assembly immediately with no delay and the reels spin! The only Problem now is that I have not gotten any quarters to pay out and when I put more than one coin in they are not being registered on the feature unit I think. I mean ive never seen this machine work properly, but it seems that for each coin I put in the odds on the feature unit should change to the number of coins I put in there.

[OldReno]

Good to know you have found help and solace here.
If your hopper resetting?  After you pull the handle the payboard wiper fingers should be at zero (6 o' clock)?
We're still with ya as long as we're with ya, ya know?
The first thing a mechanic does on a pay problem is check the wiper finger position.

[Karliesdad88]

When I push the coil behind the reels the coin hopper will circulate the coins. I'm not sure if $20 worth of coins is enough? The coil directly in front of the coin hopper does nothing when pushed at least what I see.  Ill check the wiper arms and see where they are at when I pull the handle.

[Amachanic]

Quick question... Does your machine payout a jackpot on a single coin played? You should see your top glass payouts change for each coin inserted. You should have a stepper assembly in the top box. It should advance one click per coin player. I do agree with OldReno, does your hopper work properly? Easy enought to check. Does the spiral cam advance when you lift the coin lever roller, then return to zero when you push in the solenoid? Is the zero switch opening & closing when this is done? Twenty dollars in quarters won't go too far, but it better then nothing.

Gary

[Karliesdad88]

It does not change for each coin inserted.  I will look up what those parts are and check and see if it does do what you asking thanks.

[OldReno]

Page 18 part #33, called wiper assembly, or commonly the payboard wiper fingers.  They should always be at 6 o'clock after you pull the handle.  If not it won't pay right.
The first thing to do is look at the position of the (payboard) wiper fingers in a mis-pay situation.

[Amachanic]

You can check it the same way by working both solenoids. Sounds like that machine need a lot of TLC, but that's the fun. I hate to admit this but I worked on my first EM Bally for well over a year before I found the grounded wire. After that I was hooked. It was like buy two rabbits..  

Gary

[Karliesdad88]

Thanks guys. I will refer to the manual and see if those are in the right position. I been taking a little break from the machine to get this motorcycle finished. I should have it out if here next weekend as well as the delivery of my 742 star special machine and manual. I hope your guys weekends going good. It's over 100 degrees here. It's hard for me to stay away from the machine though I will probably check it out tonight after it cools down