Making it pay out less?

[modessitt]

I have a customer with two S2000's and he wants to know what it would take to change it so it pays out less often than it does now.  I've already gone into the options and they only have one setting where you would normally change it, so I'd expect that if it can be done they'll need a ROM change or something.

I'm posting pics of the chips in both machines so that y'all can see what they currently are.  Any help would be appreciated:

Machine #1:




Machine #2:

[Harvs]

You just need a key chip (Key 45 will do the trick). Then you can change the percentages in the keychipconfig menu. Pretty simple actually.

I would also recommend a clear chip as well if you don't already have that. So you need a Key 45 and a Clear IVC224.

Harvs

[erbs]

You have a chip in socket U-17. So you are using an S+ game. You cannot change % in the menu.  You will have to change the chip in socket U-17 with a lower % chip. What game is it and how many coin?

[modessitt]

You just need a key chip (Key 45 will do the trick). Then you can change the percentages in the keychipconfig menu. Pretty simple actually.

I would also recommend a clear chip as well if you don't already have that. So you need a Key 45 and a Clear IVC224.

Harvs

So I guess the KEY 31 and CLR 97 I have won't do it?

[rickhunter]

On the first picture looks like has has an S+ reel eprom, and it's already an 87% chip.  The lowest is 75% SS8139. (Double Double Diamond 2 coin game, or clone i.e Black widow, 4x diamonds, etc)

On the other one like Harvs says, you need a keychip and then select the lower percentage paytable.  It is important to understand that these machines are very volatile, and that the statistical outcome of the chips will be close over a LONG period of time.  If this person has 2 machines, it is unlikely that he is going to get the statistical results in such a small sample.

You can use Key 31 with the chips you have, you don't need to clear it, just key chip it.

[modessitt]

You have a chip in socket U-17. So you are using an S+ game. You cannot change % in the menu.   You will have to change the chip in socket U-17 with a lower % chip. What game is it and how many coin?

So they're running an S+ game on S2000 hardware?  I think it's a Double Diamond 2-coin but I'll check...

[modessitt]

On the first picture looks like has has an S+ reel eprom, and it's already an 87% chip.  The lowest is 75% SS8139. (Double Double Diamond 2 coin game, or clone i.e Black widow, 4x diamonds, etc)

On the other one like Harvs says, you need a keychip and then select the lower percentage paytable.  It is important to understand that these machines are very volatile, and that the statistical outcome of the chips will be close over a LONG period of time.  If this person has 2 machines, it is unlikely that he is going to get the statistical results in such a small sample.

You can use Key 31 with the chips you have, you don't need to clear it, just key chip it.

Ok, so on one I'd need a new chip to change the odds, and on the other the Key Chip I have should do the job.

Anyone have the instructions on how to change the odds using the key chip?

[Harvs]

Make sure all credits are off the machine.. Turn off the machine.. Replace the SB chip with the Key 31 you have.. Fire it back on until two amber lights turn on on the MPU. Turn off, replace the SB. Turn back on leaving the door open. It'll put you into keychipconfig..

Go to 7.1.2 Game selection, select the game, and adjust from there. When finished, hit the MAX BET button a few times till the reels spin. Done..

Note: Make sure you install the chips in the correct direction.

Harvs

[modessitt]

To clarify, the SB chip is the one with the "Base" label in pic #2?

Sorry, I'm used to S+ boards...

[Harvs]

To clarify, the SB chip is the one with the "Base" label in pic #2?

Sorry, I'm used to S+ boards...

The board with the blue Mississippi version chip. SB1000068 will be the chip you replace with the Key , IN THE CORRECT DIRECTION.

[modessitt]

To clarify, the SB chip is the one with the "Base" label in pic #2?

Sorry, I'm used to S+ boards...

The board with the blue Mississippi version chip. SB1000068 will be the chip you replace with the Key , IN THE CORRECT DIRECTION.

Ok.  Didn't realize that first letter was an S.

And I know how to install chips.  I'm an arcade tech.  I just don't do slots much...

[Harvs]

To clarify, the SB chip is the one with the "Base" label in pic #2?

Sorry, I'm used to S+ boards...

The board with the blue Mississippi version chip. SB1000068 will be the chip you replace with the Key , IN THE CORRECT DIRECTION.

Ok.  Didn't realize that first letter was an S.

And I know how to install chips.  I'm an arcade tech.  I just don't do slots much...

Ok, You're good to go then! Some people just toss the chips in and don't pay attention so I always mention it, in CAPS.. And, I have also had some chips that looked like they were written in hieroglyphs, I could write better with my foot. Haha.

Post back if you have any probs.
Harvs

[modessitt]

 Quick q  about  the S+  one. Can it definitely be changed to 75%? Or  will it depend on the game name?

 Wish  files  were  easier to get. I  can burn my own ROMs...

[Harvs]

Not sure about the chips or files. I haven't messed with an S+ for some time now.

But I did just test my writing ability with my foot..

Harvs

[rickhunter]

Quick q  about  the S+  one. Can it definitely be changed to 75%? Or  will it depend on the game name?

 Wish  files  were  easier to get. I  can burn my own ROMs...

Yes, it can be changed to 75% with the reel chip number I posted in my earlier post.

[modessitt]

Any pointers where to get said chip?

[rickhunter]

Place a wtb in the classifieds.

[cowboygames]

Wouldn't he be better off to spend that money on the right S2000 SB chip for that game and ditch the current setup?

[CVslots]

Sure would save a lot of hassle next time customer wants to change the percentage...and for about the same price (if not THE same price).

[StatFreak]

Also, keep in mind the that S+ SS8139 (75.4%) has a HIGHER hit frequency than the SS6202 (87.6%). In other words, it has fewer large and medium pays but more small pays - so the customer gets "fed" back more playing money in the short term.

I can't speak to the replacement SB chip for the S2000.


What's not being asked between the lines is why your customer wants the lowest possible payback. You might want to remind your customer that using a slot machine for actual gambling is a crime in any state in the U.S and in Canada. It's not like a deck of cards which everyone owns and can be tossed. All it takes is for one disgruntled loser to call the authorities. If he owns a casino in the Caribbean, please disregard my comment.

[modessitt]

What's not being asked between the lines is why your customer wants the lowest possible payback. You might want to remind your customer that using a slot machine for actual gambling is a crime in any state in the U.S and in Canada. It's not like a deck of cards which everyone owns and can be tossed. All it takes is for one disgruntled loser to call the authorities. If he owns a casino in the Caribbean, please disregard my comment.

Fairly certain he's doing something he shouldn't, but I haven't SEEN it to be so. I just work for a local fixit shop. I fixed it when a reel stopped working and the battery was dead.  Not my responsibility what he does with it.  I'm sure he'll get caught before long since he's probably doing it in a high-crime, low-income area...

[StatFreak]

Fairly certain he's doing something he shouldn't, but I haven't SEEN it to be so. I just work for a local fixit shop. I fixed it when a reel stopped working and the battery was dead.  Not my responsibility what he does with it.  I'm sure he'll get caught before long since he's probably doing it in a high-crime, low-income area...

As long as you're selling in a legal state with a DOJ and not violating any rules, it shouldn't affect you. If you didn't sell him the machine, that's even better.

You know he's going to rat out the seller if he gets busted if it will help him in any way. If he's in a legal-to-own state or took the machine to an illegal state without the seller's knowledge, the seller should be in the clear as well (but that might depend on the specific state laws.) Still, no one wants an investigation by authorities, even if they did nothing wrong.

Of course, just asking for low payout chips doesn't mean anything in and of itself, and that's all you know about it.

[modessitt]

I didn't sell the machine. just charged for the repair. if I have to buy a chip, he'll pay me for it and I'll install it.

 I'm in Texas where you can have slot machines in your home for amusement only.  As far as I know, that's  what he's doing.

 But a comment he made about the belly glass opening and someone getting access to the cash box makes it sound like he's got an illegal gambling site set up somewhere...

[cowboygames]

Hmmm, I wonder what they do to you if they catch you trying to rip them off in an illegal casino?

[CVslots]

Word to the wise: do not say anything on a public forum that you would not say sitting in front of a judge. Just sayin...None of us (to my knowledge, at least) does anything we shouldn't do, however, we need to keep in mind that there are others who DO.