Looking for help with Bally e-2000 series machine

[satelliteman]

I brought this machine out of storage & when I powered it up It fried the hopper board due to an errant coin being lodged between the board & the hopper body.  I purchased a replacement board from Barry Fox & installed it.  Unfortunately, the machine still doesn't function.  When I power it up, the win meter shows 3   06 which, as far as I know means 3 coins played, six coins paid.  The "winner paid" is lit, "insert coin" is lit, but when I insert a coin it drops into the hopper but doesn't register.  I get nothing when I press the test button on the hopper board either.  Obviously, when the hopper board fried, something else happened as well, but what?  Fuses are good.  I tried a power supply board from a working machine with no change.  What do I do next?  

[tkrozleski]

Can you post a pic of the error code? Do you get a code 50 000 when open and close the door?

[proten]

You could have a blown hopper fuse.
Or 3    6 code on start up is a memory failure code.

[satelliteman]

Hopper fuse is good.
Battery is new.
Not getting a 50.000 when door is closed.
Win meter now shows zeros ( see pic).  Insert coin lamp is illuminated.  Coin deflector on door energizes when machine is powered up, directing coins into hopper, but they still don't register. 

[proten]

That looks like a Military version Bally.
Look at this Manuel to see if it helps

[ramegoom]

Proten, what makes the military version different? Wondering why they had a separate type.

If the fuse is blown, I think the LED lights (the one on the hopper board)?

[proten]

If I'm thinking right the military version had different software.
If you look at the manual I posted it list the chip #s on the front page.
Look at the tags on the chips on the MPU .
Barry(Foxsslots) was the one that knew this better that any one

[FOXSSLOTS1]

it is a military e-series -the 1 000 on the meter is correct and the insert coin light is on - should accept coin.

[satelliteman]

Barry,

Just so we're on the same page, the meter reads 0. 00.0. not 1 000
Don't know if that makes a difference.  You're the expert.
If, as you say, it's ready to accept a coin, why doesn't the test button work?
I don't get a bell ring when opening the door either.

[FOXSSLOTS1]

0 000 and insert coin - what happens when you play a coin?  the game has coin optics - so you can't bypass -

[satelliteman]

Coin goes into hopper but doesn't register.  No response at all from machine.

[FOXSSLOTS1]

with door open press the button top right inside of machine - that is psudo coin - should coin up and allow handle pull

[satelliteman]

I assume you're referring to the bell cut-off button.  I pressed that, no response.

[FOXSSLOTS1]

if you press the test button on the hopper - (2 times) does the machine test?

[satelliteman]

No.

[proten]

I brought this machine out of storage & when I powered it up It fried the hopper board due to an errant coin being lodged between the board & the hopper body.  I purchased a replacement board from Barry Fox & installed it.  Unfortunately, the machine still doesn't function.  When I power it up, the win meter shows 3   06 which, as far as I know means 3 coins played, six coins paid.  The "winner paid" is lit, "insert coin" is lit, but when I insert a coin it drops into the hopper but doesn't register.  I get nothing when I press the test button on the hopper board either.  Obviously, when the hopper board fried, something else happened as well, but what?  Fuses are good.  I tried a power supply board from a working machine with no change.  What do I do next?   

Barry   he may have more damage due to a coin in the hopper board.

[satelliteman]

Well, since responses to my problem seemed to have dried up, I decided to order a Ram clear chip from Barry Fox to see if that would do anything.
According to the instruction sheet, after inserting the clear chip in the P1 position & powering up the machine, the meter should display:
5
6
7
o
My machine displays:
5
6
7
7.0 . . .1.
Don't see anything in the manual about that.  Any input from anyone?

[proten]

Barry is the one to know about the results of that test.
See if he logs in and gives you a insight of what to try next.

[dhellis]

Well, since responses to my problem seemed to have dried up, I decided to order a Ram clear chip from Barry Fox to see if that would do anything.
According to the instruction sheet, after inserting the clear chip in the P1 position & powering up the machine, the meter should display:
5
6
7
o
My machine displays:
5
6
7
7.0 . . .1.
Don't see anything in the manual about that.  Any input from anyone?

Based on the ram test stopping at 7 I would think that you have bad ram, maybe on chip maybe both. The fact that you were also getting a 6 error is also indicative of a ram failure. Do you have any ram chips to do a swap?

[satelliteman]

Yes, I have tried swapping ram chips from the non-working machine into a working machine.  They work fine.  Putting the ram chips from the "good" machine into the non-working machine gets the same "no-response" as original chips.

One other bit of information on this machine.  When the hopper board got fried, it apparently caused some damage to the reel reader board on the reel bundle.  When I power up the machine, the coin diverter on the door doesn't energize.  I have been swapping in a known good reel reader board from another machine that does energize the diverter while trying to get this problem solved. Haven't tried to find the issue in the original board as yet. Just thought this info might add some light on the source of the problem.

[tkrozleski]

If you swap the entire MPU from the working machine, does it fix the problem?

Have you tried swapping the PS board from the working machine into the non working machine?

Have you tried swapping the I/O board from the working machine?

And maybe the reel reader control board is damaged?

Is the hopper board a known working board that was tested before installing it.

Trial and error

Barry , chime in please.

[satelliteman]

I'll answer your questions in the order you asked them.
1.) No,swapping the boards does not change anything but the readout on the display.  I'm posting a pic of the readout with the "good" board. It should be noted that the machines are similar, but not the same.  The non-working machine is a 5 coin, 5 line machine. The working machine is a 5 coin, 5 line machine that pays left to right & right to left.  Not to mention one is a military style & the other isn't.  Don't know if there are any compatibility issues.
2.) Yes, I have swapped the power supply boards.  PS from non-working machine does function in "good" machine. No change when swapping into the non-working machine.
3.) Yes, I have swapped the I/O boards. Only difference was a momentary bell ring when I opened the door.  ?
4.) As stated previously, I know there is a problem in the reel reader board.  That is why I'm using the board from the good machine while I trying to get the non-working machine functional.
5.) Hopper board is a new board from Barry Fox. Note, I also tried swapping the whole hopper unit from the good machine into the non-working one.  No difference.
I'm also posting a pic of the other machine for reference purposes.

[tkrozleski]

Being it's military I have no expierence with one of those yet. There is optics on the coin chutes and hopper i believe? Maybe a dirty eye ?

Send FOXSSLOTS a PM and see if he can help you out.

Do you have the Military manual ?

[Amachanic]

Being it's military I have no expierence with one of those yet. There is optics on the coin chutes and hopper i believe? Maybe a dirty eye ?

Send FOXSSLOTS a PM and see if he can help you out.

Do you have the Military manual ?

From what I know is that the Military machines use a different version of software. I'm not sure if the MPU or  I/O Boards are different? I know they do have some different codes and ways to check your machines operation. That's found in the Military manual.

Gary

[satelliteman]

I have the military manual.  However, as stated earlier, the test button elicits no response when pressed two times, three times, or fifty times.  Kind of hard to analyze a problem if you can't get into the test function.  As far as the the optics go, with the lack of an operational test button, no "50" code showing when the door has been opened, no bell when opening the door, etc., I think the problem lies somewhere else.  However, I will check with my brother to see if he has a comparitor that will work in this machine. I gave him a number of older comparitors awhile back.  The other similar machines I have use a mechanical coin acceptor, so I can't swap those.