IGT slant top Sizzling Sevens: 61 code having issues Newbie needs help!

[upsMANinMI]

Ok, I apologize for taking so long to respond. I'm a ups driver, and it's been hectic. Here's the exact process I did.
Turned the machine off
Removed the coin comparator
Removed the coin hopper
Pulled the board out
Removed the game chip
Replaced it with the clear chip
Reinstalled board
Turned machine on and left on for 30 seconds
Pressed the test button, machine then counted up to 999
Reinstalled coin hopper
Reinstalled coin comparator
Turned machine on, nothing displayed on panel, no candle lights, no flashing, nothing
Then attempted to put coins in, they went straight into hopper
Then turned machine off, pulled board out, put it back in, got same 61 code again


That's where I'm at. Thanks again for the help.

[CVslots]

What happens NOW when you press the reset/test button for 2-3 seconds? If you can get your 61 to flip to the 61-1, then close the door completely, and turn Jackpot (brass) key on handle side of cabinet ONE TIME. Do not use the key while at a 61 though!

Wait, after the clear process (counting) you did replace the Clear chip with the game chip, right?

[upsMANinMI]

Yes, I replaced the clear chip with the game chip after the process.  I tried the jackpot key after pressing the test button and it got me right back to 61 1.

[CVslots]

Ok, darn, I hate to see you start throwing parts at this game. I'm not 100% sure what you mean by "tried the key after pushing the button and it got me right back to 61-1"? Did the 61 change to 61-1 when you pushed the button? What happened when you closed the door and turned the key? Did the 61-1 flash/go away and then reappear or did it never even blink or change? Have we confirmed the optics are sensing the door is closing? If the 61-1 didn't change, I'm kinda thinking the machine isn't recognizing a closed door!

What's the history on this machine? Have you ever seen it play properly for any length of time? Or is it a "new to you" machine? Sorry if you mentioned it somewhere else.

[upsMANinMI]

Sorry for not being clear. Machine was at 61 after I did this process. Pressed test button, got the ding. Turned jackpot key, switched to 61 1. As for the history of the machine, I bought it from someone who said it just had a battery replacement and then it got this error code. It takes coins, has no bill acceptor, and from previous discussions it looks like it may have the doors bypassed. Personally, I don't know what to look for as far as checking to see if that is the case, but I can tell you there is a wiring harness behind the coin hopper that has a couple wires cut, there are no wires attached to the white button switch(picture attached, and the optics look like there in tact. I'm learning as I go here, was actually told it just needed a cabinet lock to make it work, so I guess I kinda got shafted. Only paid a couple hundred bucks for it, so it's not a huge loss.  Thanks in advance.

[coorslight115]

QUOTE: "Pressed test button, got the ding. Turned jackpot key, switched to 61 1"

Should be pressed the test button, got the 61-1. CLOSED THE DOOR, then turned the key. Is this what you did??

[upsMANinMI]

Yes, I omitted that. My apologies.

[CVslots]

Ok, here's the deal. We can't help you unless you tell us EXACTLY what is going on, and EXACTLY what you are doing. I am not being harsh, just truthful. Please be sure and include ALL of the steps you're taking, in the exact order, and what the machine is doing, otherwise, we are just chasing our tails. The 61 error is not uncommon and we've seen it here hundreds of times, maybe thousands, and we've always been able to fix it. If the machine is not sensing the door is closed, then well, that's a different can of worms all together...

If the machine displays a 61, press the button for 2-3 seconds, hear a ding and see the display change to 61-1, then CLOSE THE DOOR, and turn the key ONE TIME. The display should blank for a moment and then the code wil either disappear, change, or reappear.

If a machine stays at a 61-1 after turning the key, that indicates either your JP key is not working properly, or your doors are not registering as closed.

[knagl]

I'll second what Roz said -- since we're not there, we need to know the exact precise steps being taken and their results.  I know you didn't mean to confuse what happened, but when you do, it creates confusion here.

If the machine displays a 61, press the button for 2-3 seconds, hear a ding and see the display change to 61-1, then CLOSE THE DOOR, and turn the key ONE TIME. The display should blank for a moment and then the code wil either disappear, change, or reappear.

If a machine stays at a 61-1 after turning the key, that indicates either your JP key is not working properly, or your doors are not registering as closed.

I agree with this 100%.  What happens after you get the 61-1, close the door, and turn the key once?


Also, unrelated, that cherry switch you keep posting a picture of is nothing.  It's not part of a standard S+ machine -- it was likely added by the casino it was in for whatever reason, and it's not needed for the machine to function correctly.

[upsMANinMI]

I appreciate the info on the cherry switch, that's good to know. So let me ask this, how does the machine know if the top is closed or not? Strictly by the door optics?  When I get home tonight, I will try what you suggested with the door closing.

[knagl]

I appreciate the info on the cherry switch, that's good to know. So let me ask this, how does the machine know if the top is closed or not? Strictly by the door optics?  When I get home tonight, I will try what you suggested with the door closing.

Not sure which part is the top that you're asking about.

For the main door or "hatch" with the reel glass that unlocks from under the armrest and then swings up with the help of a pneumatic lift, there is a set of optics that tells the machine the door is closed.  One half of the pair is mounted on the hatch part that swings open, and the other half is fixed on the inside of the machine, essentially on the back of the armrest.  When the door is closed, the optics align, and if they're working properly, one half of that optic pair is emitting an infrared signal, and the other half of that pair is receiving the signal and completing the circuit.

In addition, if your machine has a bill validator, there is a microswitch in the back of the door that opens to give you access to the bill validator stacker box (the "cash can").  I believe that switch is wired in line with the wiring for the main door optics.  As such, if the bill validator door is opened, the circuit is broken and the machine thinks the main door is open.  In order to get past a 61-1, you must have a working set of optics, and the machine must believe that the main door is closed (which means that the bill validator door switch must be closed as well).  Once you have a 61-1, close and latch all the doors, and then turning the jackpot reset key once should clear the machine into being ready to play.

[upsMANinMI]

Yes, that is the door I'm speaking of. I do not have a bill validator on this machine. This may sound silly, but would it be possible to take the optics off and hold one in each hand and physically aim the "eyes" at each other to make sure they're lining up, just to rule this out? 

[knagl]

Yes, you can do that, but that won't eliminate the possibility that the optics are bad.  There's a little leeway with the optics (they don't have to be lined up 100%, just pretty close), so chances are that they're lining up correctly when the door is closed.  At this point, I'd suspect a bad set of optics if you're unable to get past the 61-1 with a turn of the jackpot reset key after the door is closed.

[upsMANinMI]

I'll order a set of optics and try that. Before I do, let me ask this. The door underneath the slant top(heavy one by your feet), how does the machine sense if this one is closed?  Or does it matter? 

[knagl]

I've only worked on a slant top S+ once, and that was years ago.  I don't know the answer to your question -- anyone else here know if the machine senses if the belly door is open?

For whatever it's worth, on my bartop PE+ video poker machine (same era, similar features between a bartop and a slant top), there's a very small optical sensor about halfway down on the right side that checks for a reflection from a small reflector on the metal belly door panel.  You could look and see if there's any sensor like that on your machine.

[CVslots]

Shorttrackskater has an S+ slant top. Maybe he can help us out there.

[shortrackskater]

Shorttrackskater has an S+ slant top. Maybe he can help us out there.

Shoot! I'm not home right now. I did comment on this waaaaaaaaaaay back. But I need to SEE my machine. I will be home tomorrow evening. I'll have a look then. I know that it interlocks with the top door. I wish I remembered now, but it's been so long since I nearly broke my toe...er...opened that door! I think the pain from that must have erased the memory. I will check asap.

[Jim]

well, I'll try again. USUALLY I have not seen any sensors on the lower door, some casinos did add a cherry switch in the loop, but if you don't see anything that resembles an add on then I doubt there is a sensor for the bottom door.

next, just because you don't have  a bill acceptor  in the machine now doesn't mean one wasn't installed .  If that is the case then there was a cash can switch, and this switch does have to be bypassed for normal operation.

next, since you can clear the machine, you should be able to get into the service mode, with the door open you should be able too press the white test button, each time you press it it will advance to a new test or get to a test where you can set options. you want to scroll down to the test that starts with a 10_1 in the winner paid window, once there use the change button to advance through the list of tests available in this menu (input tests), stop when you get to 13_1 in the WP window, now close and latch the door closed, the 1 should start to change to a 0 and then back and forth from a 0 to a 1 as long as you are in this test. if it doesn't do this ,then you have to determine what is causing this, UNTIL YOU GET THIS TEST TO WORK YOUR MACHINE WILL NEVER WORK, PERIOD, YOUR WASTING YOUR TIME UNTIL YOU GET THIS FIXED.  the optics could be out of align, they could be defective, there could be an open wire in the loop, or the board itself could be bad. here is where you try and put the two together and see if you can get them to alternate from a 1 to a 0.

this is the same information I posted in reply # 8.


Hope this helps

Jim

[upsMANinMI]

Got it Jim. I will attempt this test when I get home from work tonight. I appreciate all your help tremendously.

[upsMANinMI]

Question.  When trying to get the machine into this "self test mode", does the machine need to be cleared first?  Where I am now is I power it up, have the 61 code.  Press the test button and nothing happens.  Press and hold the test button and I go to 61 1.  What state should the machine be in when starting this self test?  I remember a while back I got it to do this test you are referring to(with it alternating back and forth from 1 to 0), but couldnt tell you how I did it.  ill play around with it while waiting for a response.  thankis

[upsMANinMI]

Just did this.  Turned machine on, went to 61 code as usual.  Did not press test button, turned jackpot key once.  Now I have 0000 in the "winner paid" and "credits" windows, while it is alternating back and forth from 0 to 1 in the "coins played" window.  So, is it possible this is the test mode but my machine took a diffrent method to get there?

[upsMANinMI]

Also, got the machine to spin the reels once.  Landed back at what it started from, but they did spin.  Did that be turning the jackpot key and pressing the spin reels button.  Now the winner paid window says 1536, credits says 1, and coins played says 2.  Change light and candle light are still flashing as well. 

[stayouttadabunker]

Also, got the machine to spin the reels once.  Landed back at what it started from, but they did spin.  Did that be turning the jackpot key and pressing the spin reels button.  Now the winner paid window says 1536, credits says 1, and coins played says 2.  Change light and candle light are still flashing as well. 

By turning the reset key BEFORE closing the door, you went into the Accounting mode.
To get out of the accounting mode you're now in, just close the door and watch.
If the numbers go back to the code [61], then your dorr optics are working and that's good!

When you see the code [61], OPEN the door and push and hold in the small little test button for at least 3 seconds first.
The display should now read [61-1]...sometimes you'll hear a ding sound as well.
Now, CLOSE the door making sure the latch is fully downwards, THEN turn the reset key and the machine should be ready to play.

Let us know what happens when you try this.

[CVslots]

Where I am now is I power it up, have the 61 code.  Press the test button and nothing happens.  Press and hold the test button and I go to 61 1.

Again, at a 61, press (or i guess we should say "press and hold") white button for 2-3 seconds, you should hear a ding and/or see display change to 61-1. Close door completely and turn JP key ONCE.

As Stayoutofthebunker just recapped, if the machine returns to a 61 your optics are GOOD!!!

By turning the reset key BEFORE closing the door, you went into the Accounting mode.
To get out of the accounting mode you're now in, just close the door and watch.
If the numbers go back to the code [61], then your dorr optics are working and that's good!

Let us know what happens when you try this.

[upsMANinMI]

still nothing.  Ive done this exact process numerous times in the past with same results.