Changing odds on Triple Diamond S+ machine.

[deltabox888]

I know this topic has been discussed and I know it's possible and I know I need a new chip.  I wondering if someone here can actually tell me the "actual" chip that is available for loosest payout? Give me a link to it or give me the actual chip name/number?  And once I have it in my hands, is it just a matter of replacing it with the old one? No other programming needed?  Do they make a "tournament" chip for my particular slot machine?

[deltabox888]

I just checked and can someone please 'double check" this for me? Is it the SS7196 chip I need? I have a Triple Diamond 2 coin S+ machine.

1- Is there a way to check what percentage I have now without having to pull the board out?

2- Can I pop in a Triple Diamond 3cm chip? 

[knagl]

I wondering if someone here can actually tell me the "actual" chip that is available for loosest payout? Give me a link to it or give me the actual chip name/number?  And once I have it in my hands, is it just a matter of replacing it with the old one? No other programming needed?  Do they make a "tournament" chip for my particular slot machine?

Here's a link to the IGT S+ bible:

http://newlifegames.net/igtbible/

For your 2CM game, here's the direct link to the available chips.

Yes, you can just replace the chip on the board for the better payout.  You'll likely get an error code or two which will require some very simple steps to get past (see this list of common IGT S+ errors and resolutions for instructions on how to get past the error codes you'll encounter).

Yes, there are tournament chips available for S+ Triple Diamond, however they are only for the 3CM games.  Those chips are listed under the "Tournament" link in the IGT S+ bible I linked to above.

I just checked and can someone please 'double check" this for me? Is it the SS7196 chip I need? I have a Triple Diamond 2 coin S+ machine.

Yes, that is the best payout % chip available for the 2CM kit.

1- Is there a way to check what percentage I have now without having to pull the board out?

Yes, if you follow the directions found on this page, you can get the machine to display the chip numbers of the SS and SP chips installed in your machine.  Compare the SS chip number in your game to the list I linked to above and you'll be able to see what % chip is in your machine now.

2- Can I pop in a Triple Diamond 3cm chip? 

Sure, but the payouts won't match what is on the glass since the game will accept three coins for play instead of two.

[deltabox888]

Thanks for the answers. So I posted a WTB and got a reply. He mentions something about making sure I have the right strips? AAA or ABC? What the heck does this mean? And how do I find out what I have?  He says he has the SS6622 chip, which is 98%.

And if I wanted I could pop in a 3CM chip for Triple Diamond and changed the top glass, I would be good to go? That's it?

[CVslots]

If your 3 reel strips are idnetical, you have the AAA strips. If they are all different, you have the ABC strips. There are numbers at the bottom or on the reverse side at the bottom of the strip. OR, just line up all your reels manually, where the seams are all aligned, and turn them by hand and compare the symbols.

[knagl]

Tell us what SS chip you have in your machine, and we can tell you which strips you have. 

[deltabox888]

I gave it to my dad as a xmas gft.  Ill check next time im there.  He asked me if i could make it "looser". I told him ill check on that.

[rickhunter]

Triple Diamond is a volatile game because you can have 9x payouts, so the payouts are not as often.    If you want more action on your machine, your best bet is to get a multi-line kit for it and exchange the one that is there.  There are triple diamond games in 3, 5 an 9 line versions, all of those would pay more often than the standard 1 line game.  Getting 98% chip would not make a significant different in the "looseness" of a machine.

[deltabox888]

Can u point me into right direction on where to find multi line kit?  What do they usually run for?

[jay]

I would direct you to call any of the vendors on the NLG home page.
We do not sell banner ads (nor are they for sale). All of the vendors there have gone above and beyond to help out our members and are "given" a spot.

First identify yourself as a NLG member....then ask for the kit you are seeking.

Most of the vendors (but not all) have web pages - if you do not see what you seek on their web site call and ask. I would not be surprized to find a vendor who has a multi-line Triple Diamond in a machine that would "pull it" for a member.

The going rate on S+ kits on ebay seems to be around $175 but prices do widely vary. I remember buying some of mine for as low as $30.

[CVslots]

Jay is correct. The Triple Diamond 5 line and 9 line kits are a hot item and will bring top dollar. They are not impossible to find, but will not be the cheapest. So it is, with popular games and multi-line S+ games.

[deltabox888]

So if and when I find one of these kits, what would be included?  I assume all the glass and reels.  Or would i just keep the same reels?  Will it include both chips or just the reel chip?  I ask because I've only read about changing out the reel chip and it seems pretty simple.  I dont know anything about changing out the game chip.

[CVslots]

It's not a big deal really. Change the glass out. Change the reel strips on the reels (keep your same reel baskets, just change the paper/plastic strips on them), and change out the chip(s). Depending on the game you go to, you may or may not have to change out the reel EPROM. No difference either way (besides popping out one more chip and installing it). You've got it though. You need glass, reel strips, and the EPROMs. If for some reason, the seller does not have the EPROMs, that's easy enough to find here. 

[deltabox888]

I read that if i have to change out the sp chip, i would have to reset my dbv.  But if i only have to change out the reel chp, i only have to worry about the 61 error.  I dont want to have to worry about my dbv notworking again for some reason.  I have 2 cn single line.  Want to change to 5 coin 5 line.  I was hoping all i had to do was buy the glasses and the reel chip.  Swap it out and bam....new game.

[jay]

Changing any of the chips can trigger a 61.
As a slot owner you should have a clear chip and a set chip.
It's rare you need the clear but having one around doesn't hurt.
It's all fairly easy to manage. I have 3 slots and 60 glass kits.
Don't be afraid to become a collector of kits.

[knagl]

There's a nice guide in the FAQ section that spells out how to change a game kit (here's a direct link).  There's not much to it, and nothing to be afraid of.  As Jay said, it's a good idea to have a CLEAR and SET chip on hand just in case. 

Although your odds of needing to use the CLEAR chip are pretty slim, it's good to have for the rare occasion that someone here tells you you'll need it.  Generally speaking, the CLEAR chip is only used on very rare occasion.

[deltabox888]

I have a 00 1271.    00 4780.

[deltabox888]

So I know it's a 92% machine. My dad doesn't believe me. He swears it's lower.  It just takes and takes. Do you guys think increasing it to 98% will make a noticeable difference?

[jay]

Not signficantly noticible.

According to the information in the online game bible the "hit frequency" is 7.28 at 92% and 7.15 at 98%
- saying that you should hit something about every 8 spins. Slightly more spins at 92 and slightly less at 98%  - barely measureable.
http://www.newlifegames.net/igtbible/

There are a few things you need to understand about slot behavior:
1. On a S+ each reel is comprised up to 256 virtual symbols and this is what is kept in the reel chip. Your particular Triple diamond has 72 virtual reel stops.
The document describing this is called a PAR sheet (Pay and Reel). Each chip has one of these and is far more extensive than what is on the online version.
2. The RNG (Random Number generator) picks 3 numbers. Each number corresponds to a spot on the virtual reel. If the 3 spots comprise a winning combo, the physical reels are spun to display the appropriate symbols. The reels are controlled by stepper motors and the fact that they spin is only for show. They are presicely controlled by the computer.
3. The difference between a 92% and a 98% might only be one or two additional winning combos in the virtual reel table.
4. The percentages are calculated across 10million spins. This simulation is run 100 times for the Nevada Gaming Authority.
5. There is NO forcing of a percentage the RNG picks 3 numbers, its just probability that determines the outcome.
- Theoretically you could have a machine that NEVER ever wins. Think of flipping a coin 100 times, it is possible that it comes up heads every single time, The result of the last flip has no bearing on the next flip, so while human nature would look at this and say I am going to bet on tails - there is nothing that would govern a particular result albiet the odds remain 50/50. In particular you may notice that a roulette wheel always has a sign up showing the results of the last 16 spins. When a casino inplements one of these signs their profits go way up as there is NO way to analyze the results in a truly meaning full manner.

Regarding slot math lets assume you have a 1 coin machine with a 100% pay out.
If you only had one winning combo it comes up every time. 1 coin in, 1 coin out (we call this a novelty bank and you can buy it at the souivener shop next to the stratosphere).
If you had two winning combos - 1st combo is 1 coin, 2nd combo is 2 coins. For 100% payback someone has to lose so the second person can win 2 coins.
If you had three winning combos (each combo has 1 more coin) you now need 6 losers in a row so the 3 coin can win, the 2 coin and the 1 coin.....

Now consider the pay glass on your triple diamond machine with 1 coin. Your paytable is 2, 5, 10, 20, 40, 100, 1000 ..... For a 20 coin hit (1 coin, at 100%) you are going to need to lose about 37 times.

If you want a machine with more "action" on it you will want a kit with an extensive paytable like "tripple cat" this machine will have lots of little payouts.

This is where the new video machines (which I particullary hate) have an advantage. You might have 30 lines and each line costs 1c but you can play 10 coins per line. So your at $3.00 per spin.
This allows a "slow bleed" where you might win 250 coins (you have still lost 50c) but the bells and whistles still go off and suck you in. Personally (and why I hate the machines) is that I have a hard time following why a particular set of 4 symbols across 7 reels spread across the screen is a winner.....

[deltabox888]

Thanks for that info Jay.  Funny.  I was just at my dads and we hit 7-D-D within 5 minutes of each other.  So we decided to keep it the way it is for now.  It really is all random.  Hes been playing all week and then all of a sudden, the machines decides to pay back today.

Since it wont any significant difference,  Ill save my money for when Im ready to convert to multi line game. Or better yet, just buy him a second machine that is multi line.

I do agree with you about the new slots these days.  I basically put my money in and hope for the best.  When i win, i cant make heads or tails as to why I won. 

[jay]

Once you have two machines you can start getting tournament ROMS, linked progressives......

It seems when you turn out the lights the machines multiply.......

[jay]

Think you might want to see this...

http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/woman-hits-two-90k-slot-jackpots-two-days-171537423--abc-news-savings-and-investment.html?vp=1

[stayouttadabunker]

haha!  Moncrief should have went back on Jan. 3rd!