igt wild cheery Slant tops dbv problems

[topperrz]

I Have had 1 IGT wild cherry machine that dbv never took bills     And now i have picked up another machine with  DBV 200 in it and works great So I took my 145SS and put in new machine and it works fine and put the dbv in other machine and it won't work  it takes the bills in but then spits them right back out  but both dbv's work in new machine but neither work in 1st machine but they do take the bill and lights up correctly  just spits bills back out any help is greatly appreciated and the 145SS has dip switches and on 1 forum here i see  it says number 8 on  all the rest off  They are both Wild Cherry MAchines  1 is a 2 coin and the other is aa 5 coin  the DBV in the 5 coin Switchs were all off when i got it  i out #8 on after reading a forum here but neither work in 5 coin and both work in 2 coin hope this helps 

thanks
mike

[jay]

What theme is your other machine ?

There are different ID types for Bill Validators. I thin some are type 023 while others are 022. You can change this by changing the dip switches.

[OhioGaming]

Change dip switch 10 on your 200 head and then try that in your wild cherry machine. Since you didn't mention what the other game is .. it could be the game prom is dictating which IDO it wants to see from the DBV.

[topperrz]

They are both Wild Cherry Machines  1 is a 5 coin the other is a 2 coin  the dip switch on the 200   # 10 is on  but they both work in the 2 coin wild cherry  but neither work in the 5 coin wild cherry  it takes the bill but then spits it back out

[topperrz]

and my 145SS is a 022

[topperrz]

Also the dip switch's on the 145  were all off  when i got machine but changed to # 8 after reading a forum on here below are pics of the 2 machines  also the 2 coin if i plug in the top light it continually blinks  the bottom light of the 2 so i have it unplugged is there some type of reset for this light why does it keep blinking

http://www.geocities.com/tipstr/IMG00006.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/tipstr/IMG00007.jpg

[Jim]

Mike    here is some info as to your problem:     you can only change the ID022 or ID 023   on the 145 by switching the eprom  inside tne unit, this cannot be done by switch settings,  the only thing you can change by switch is the bill it will accept.  sometimes the stickers on the unit do not reflect what is actually in the unit, the only way to determine that is to open up the bottom part and see what is written on the chip itself.

The 200 head has both IDO'S in its program, and you can select this by switch # 10  , so if  the switch is on and it doesn't work, move the switch to off and try again.  It should work.

You can determine what sp chip is in your machine by following the instructions in Rick's FAQ   "  sp and ss  chips"

The lights blinking on top, I think you are talking about the "candle"  the top one is operated by pushing the service button on the machine, the bottom one comes on anytime you open the door, and will go out after the first game is played in the game play mode.

Jim

[topperrz]

Yes I was talking about the candle and my 1 machine works perfect but this 1 when plugged in and doors closed and play has been made  it keeps blinking and not turning off



so now back to the  DBV-145-SS-6031-B022 are you saying no matter what switch i use it will not work on the machine it came in  also the version on bottom is covered by another tag that says 22V3.20  I put the dbv 200 in and turned off the #10 chip and it took the bill but instead of giving credits it spit out 20 quarters instead

Mike

[StatFreak]

...I put the dbv 200 in and turned off the #10 chip and it took the bill but instead of giving credits it spit out 20 quarters instead

That is a simple setting in the test/setup menu. If you post the number of your SP chip I can get you specific instructions as to how to change this.

...so now back to the  DBV-145-SS-6031-B022 are you saying no matter what switch i use it will not work on the machine it came in  also the version on bottom is covered by another tag that says 22V3.20 ...

If it works with the #10 switch off then it is using ID23. It would seem that your 145 is using ID22, so it wouldn't work in the same machine with the same game and reel chips.

Yes I was talking about the candle and my 1 machine works perfect but this 1 when plugged in and doors closed and play has been made  it keeps blinking and not turning off

Which light(s) keep blinking: top, bottom, or both, and at what speed?

[topperrz]

bottom light on the candle and its a very fast blink  and after game play is started it continues  it was  unplugged when i got it



second  it shows 00 3762    and 0878  on test screen 4   so I am guessing Sp3762   ss0878 and the 145 ss came with machine and guy told me it used to work  never changed anything but now i have to fix broken wire to try again  will get back on the DBV's

[topperrz]

and as far as the chip i couldnt get the bottom of the dbv off to see what chip was in it

[StatFreak]

bottom light on the candle and its a very fast blink  and after game play is started it continues  it was  unplugged when i got it

second  it shows 00 3762    and 0878  on test screen 4   so I am guessing Sp3762   ss0878 and the 145 ss came with machine and guy told me it used to work  never changed anything but now i have to fix broken wire to try again  will get back on the DBV's

 

Actually, you have SP878 and SS3762 which is the 5-coin WC machine.

The PSR states that a fast blinking lower candle with the door closed indicates that the drop door is opened. Make sure that the dbv cash box is well seated and that the cashbox door is completely closed. Since you have slant top machines, you could also check the switch and wires that go to the bottom door. What's weird is that the machine will usually tilt and not allow play if the cash box door is open, but you said that the machine plays okay.


I would recommend the following settings:
With the power off, pull the MPU board.
Locate the DIP switches in the lower right corner of the board.
Set switches 1-3 ON
Set switches 4-8 OFF
Replace the board.

For the following settings, press the spin button to change the option value.

Power up the machine and with the door open, press the test button until you see "5   n" in the Winner Paid/Credit meters, where n = 0. 1, or 2.
Set this value to 0  (reads "5   0"). This will pay all wins to the credit meter.

Press the CHANGE button twice. Set option 7 to 0 in the same way. This disables drop door monitoring.
Press the CHANGE button. Set option 8 to 1. This will make all bills go to the credit meter.
Press the BET ONE button to advance out of the set up menu. Keep pressing the BET ONE button until you see a 7 in the Coins In window. The hopper limit/jackpot lockup amount will be displayed in the winner paid window. This is the maximum number of credits that you can have on your credit meter. Also, any single win over this amount will be a jackpot lockup. Set it to your desired maximum hopper pay. To do this,
Press the Spin button to increment the value of the flashing digit. Turn the jackpot reset key or press the CHANGE button to change which digit flashes. When you've set the amount that you want,
Press the BET ONE button once. Set the number that is displayed to the same value as the previous number if it isn't already the same.
Press the BET ONE button once.
Close the door.

[topperrz]

Yes it is the 5 coin WC  game   when i Put in the dbv200  with #10 off it took bill but gave coins instead of credit   that is why i gave SP and SS   the problem with the 2 coin WC game is the light wont stop flashing but game plays absolutely fine  with no problems except the light won't stop flashing 

[StatFreak]

Yes it is the 5 coin WC  game   when i Put in the dbv200  with #10 off it took bill but gave coins instead of credit   that is why i gave SP and SS   the problem with the 2 coin WC game is the light wont stop flashing but game plays absolutely fine  with no problems except the light won't stop flashing 

Then setup the 5-coin game as described and the bills will go to the credit meter. For the 2 coin game, check the cash box and the bottom door as described. If the SP chip is the same, you can set option 7 as described to disable drop door monitoring, but I don't think that this will stop the candle from flashing. It only disables tracking the events in the books.

If the 145 isn't working in the 2-coin, then I would then purchase a dbv200 head from one of our vendors for that machine. If you do that, check the power supply for the DBV, it is a rectangular black plastic box. Just trace the wiring harness back from the dbv and you'll find it. If it has vents in its sides, then it's okay. If it is a solid black box, then order a new power supply when you buy the 200.

[topperrz]

there are 2 power supplies in the 5c  1 was a spare and both have vents the 200 and the 145 both work in the 2c machine but neither had worked in the 5c machine until now when i had shut off #10 switch but had only gave money instead of credits but now know how to fix that so i think best bet is to get a 200  and leave light unplugged  but now 2 wires came loose from plug that plugs into plug rt side of dbv unit not the one that is on dbv but the one that is staionary

[topperrz]

Ok I found the diagram to take DBV apart to see chip the chip in the 145 is DBV145 ID 022 V3.20  So what is correct setting  for switches  and also has anybody have the harness that goes in the transport frame as 2 wires came out of the connector on the top  so stickers on my 145 ss were correct   so now im real confused why the 200 worked with #10 off but gave coins instead of credits

[dpalmi]

so now im real confused why the 200 worked with #10 off but gave coins instead of credits

Hello!

This is just an option/setting on the machine - just follow the instructions someone posted earlier below/above to change this so all bills get turned into credits...

Press the CHANGE button. Set option 8 to 1. This will make all bills go to the credit meter.

Dan #2

[topperrz]

Yes i have changed that already but confused why the 145 is not working  but works in the 2c machine  but now i need that harness  and also why the 200 head is working with #10 off if my chip in the 145 is o22  is there also a difference between 022B  and 022  and how can you tell  anyways thanks for all the help so far

[rickhunter]

Bill validators use a security protocol to interface with the slot machine.  Different manufacturers use diferent protocols (what we call the IDO number)

The S+ uses two of these depending your your SP chip.  IDO022 was used in earlier versions and IDO023 was used in the later revisions:


Here's a summary of your situation:

Your 5 coin machine is probably using a newer SP game chip that requires IDO23.  Your 2 coin machine uses IDO22, that's why both validators work on it.  And when you switch the DBV200 to use IDO23, then it works on your 5 coin machine.  The issue of spitting out coins instead of credits, it's because there's a setting that determines credit or cash play.  What is the SP game chip that is on your 5 coin game?

For clarification, just because the machines are both Wild Cherry, doesn't mean that the settings are the same. Here's how it works.  All S+ machines have two chips that determine configuration (SP) and slot theme (SS).  The chip that determines options and configuration settings is called the Game Prom (the one we refer to as the SP chip).  The chip that determines the Slot Theme is called a Reel Chip (the one we call the SS chip).  You can think of the SP game chip as operating system versions, kind of like computers where you have windows 95, 98, Me, XP, Vista, Live 7.  Well as time went by, IGT upgraded the SP chip to include more functionality that the casino's would want (player tracking options, progressive connectivity, etc).  They also updated the security protocol for the bill validator.  So if you have an older SP chip, then your machine would use the older validator protocol.  The only way to know what protocol your game chip requires is by looking it up on a document called a PSR (Program Summary Report).  Every game chip has a PSR and every reel chip has a PAR (Paytable and Reel information).  The PSR will detail all options and configuration settings available for your particular chip.  The PAR will detail all winning combinations for your particular theme as well as frequencies and odds information for all payouts.

Does this make sense?

You should read up on our FAQ section regarding the S+.  You will find almost all the information you need there.  If you need further clarification you can ask in the open forum, and somebody will respond.

This is a link to our FAQ regarding the S+, makes goood reading.
http://www.newlifegames.net/spset/SPSS.htm

[topperrz]

i understand what you are saying but you had it backwards both validators worked in the 2C machine  neither worked in the 5C machine  until i put the 200 in and switched off #10  then it took the bill but cannot get the 145 to work in the 5c machine which is where it was to begin with the 2C machine came with the 200 DBV and marked 200 SS ID 022-023 V2.02-03-02  THE 5C machine came with the 145SS head with 022 chip inside  the 5C  and is SP878 and SS3762 which is the 5-coin WC machine

thanks again but can't do anything now until I get that harness in the Transport frame fixed

[rickhunter]

Ok, I had the machines reversed (I'll edit the post for future reading).  If you want to use the 145 on the 5 coin machine you can do either of these two:

1.  Change the SP game chip on the 5 coin machine with an older chip that uses IDO22.

2.  Change the chip in the validator to USE IDO23.

I recommend that you upgrade your SP chips to have them identical on both machines so your validators do not need to have different software installed for either machine.  Makes diagnosing and part swapping a lot easier to deal with.

I should mention that if you change the SP chip, you will need a SET chip to re-enable the validator functionality on your machines.  If you don't already have a SET chip, you should get one at your earliest convenience.

[topperrz]

Ok here is what i got going now   i got the 2100 to work in the 5c machine and got the 145 to work in the 2c machine   now here is the problem relating to how you told me to program it MB 1-4 on  5-8 off   5.0   7.0   8 2   the 8 is a 2 and wont let me change it period  it stays at 8 2   any suggestions  so it still spits out copins when  i put bills in instead of credits

[topperrz]

I meant dbv 200 not 2100

[rickhunter]

Ok here is what i got going now   i got the 2100 to work in the 5c machine and got the 145 to work in the 2c machine   now here is the problem relating to how you told me to program it MB 1-4 on  5-8 off   5.0   7.0   8 2   the 8 is a 2 and wont let me change it period  it stays at 8 2   any suggestions  so it still spits out copins when  i put bills in instead of credits

You need to make sure you have 0 credits on the machine for you to change certain options.  Also before you put in a bill, what happens if you push the credit/cash button?  Does it light up? 

[topperrz]

if i have it at 5 0  it does not light up  if i have it on 5 1  it does light up  i have no credits and i still cannot change 8 2 to anything