Hooking up a mikohn to my S+

[jstraa]

Hi Guys,

I've a triple diamond and a mikohn ChamII+ standalone progressive controller.
What I've done till now is hooked up my mikohn to my S+ and now the display says $ 0.00 (no further messages)
My question is do I absolutely need to be in menu 9 of my S+ to install the progressive? I've an SP 731 installed,
but the only thing I still se is 0__0 in menu 9 no further progressive options, my dip switches are 5 and 8 on, so that seems to be OK.
I've resetted the whole thing, other reel eproms still the same s..t! Does anyone have a clue? (should I run the PSP program before I
can set my S+ for the progressive setup?)

Thanks,

Jeroen

[jstraa]

Maybe an odd question, but all reel eproms (SS) can handle progressives right?

[jay]

Basically once you have enabled the LINK progressive the slot is ready to go.
The 9' options that you refer to are for the IGT progressive and not an external progressive like the Mikohn.
To enable the progressive I believe you need to do that on the MPU board via the dip switches with the 731 chip. Later chips do that in software.

The Current value, base value (amount it resets to when it is won), contribution % etc are all set via the PSP software.

[jstraa]

And how do I enable that?
I allways need to use the PSP program?
(I'm not getting any error messages that's why I'm confused)

[jay]

To enable your slot to use the progressive.
1. Open the door and shut off the machine.
2. Remove the coin tray, pull the hopper - its heavy as its loaded with coins so becareful.
3. The MPU board is a silver tray and has a black handle on it. Lift upwards.
4. The tray should have a sticke on it that says what each of the dip switches control. I think switch 5 is the one you need to change but the sticker should outline this. I would be more expliciit but I am away on a business trip and don't have access to look at my slots.

Per the ChamII+ the ONLY way to set any of its functions is to connect up a PC via a serial cable to the ChamII and use the PSP program.

[jstraa]

Ok got it setup took me some time !

Messages don't work, but they DO work with de demo mode so that's weird.
And my progressive doesn't add up yet, but I read somewhere that it might be the
wires used.

[jay]

The chamII+ supports messages under the Jp0 area but not under messages. The latter is for idle periods and you need a CON1 or CON2 before those will work.

Make sure you have enabled the LINK feature via the dip switches..... otherwise it won't send out the pulses.

[jstraa]

can I measure in any way if those pulses are sent correctly? (or can I see some LED activity on the CHAM board?)
And it's jpot1.do instead of jpot.do?

[jay]

With the S+ there is a 4 pin connector on the motherboard as the interface.
Only 3 of the 4 pins are used.
You have Coin In, Gnd and Data.
The Coin In and Gnd are momentarirly shorted each time a coin is detected or a credit played.
When a Jackpot is won the short is for about 3 seconds rather than the momentary pulse.

Usng a multi-meter on the Coin IN and Gnd Pins you could see ifit is actually performing its short.

[Thor777]

OK got it setup took me some time !

Messages don't work, but they DO work with de demo mode so that's weird.
And my progressive doesn't add up yet, but I read somewhere that it might be the
wires used.

I am us ing standard "telephone 2pair twisted wire at a run of about 15 ft with no problem at all...the leads ARE polarity sensitive and if you have it right the number of pulses sent each time you hit the spin key should correspond to the amount of coins played on that spin.

Also My messages didn't work until I changed one of the dipswitch settings (the last one?) on my controller and I believe I also had to my JPO settings with PSP..I'll have to check it out if your still having problems by firing up my PSP...

NOW i remember...I had no incrementation because I Did have  a polarity  reversal  at J1 on the CON1 and I DID have to "enable" the messages that I created through PSP AND there is a dipswitch on the circuit board Think it #4 that changes over from a built in standard message or the ones you programmed through PSP...

   Have I confused everone enough? ...these are just things you should check as they were the cause of my problems...

Joe

[jstraa]

I manually made contact between pins 1 and 3 ( from left to right) and yes!
The progressive goes up each time I make a short contact!
So I think it's the cable (it says 300V cable, but I'm no cable guru)
I will now take a look if the board is sending out pulses with my multimeter.

[Thor777]

I manually made contact between pins 1 and 3 ( from left to right) and yes!
The progressive goes up each time I make a short contact!
So I think it's the cable (it says 300V cable, but I'm no cable guru)
I will now take a look if the board is sending out pulses with my multimeter.

300 v cable...wow!...maybe the pulses are being absorbed by the cable...just kidding...

  Do you have manuals for the CON1 and/or the PSP software ?

ALSO...Please make sure Dip Switch 5 is "ON" on the main processor board (in the S+) or you will NOT get any pulses..This switch turns on the progressive function in the S+   Switches 6, 7 and 8 should be "OFF" for a single non linked progressive

[brichter]

I manually made contact between pins 1 and 3 ( from left to right) and yes!
The progressive goes up each time I make a short contact!
So I think it's the cable (it says 300V cable, but I'm no cable guru)
I will now take a look if the board is sending out pulses with my multimeter.

I assume by "at the pins" you mean on the CHAMII+.

Taking it one step further, what happens if you short between the pins on the connector at the S+ end of it? Does the progressive increase? The reason I ask is most of those connectors are IDC (Insulation Displacing Connectors), and if you don't get a good insertion into the connector, or use too small a gauge wire, they won't make contact.

[jstraa]

Yes I have enabled DIP switch 5

@brichter, yes I did do that on the top (near the chamII+ board) and it works. I've shorten for 3 seconds and then I suddenly have won the progressive I still have to check for signals but I will first do what you say, hook it up and shorten it on the bottom of the cable to make sure that works, I've checked the cables (I made 2 with different wire) with my multimeter and they made contact so it's not a broken wire or so ...

[Thor777]

Yes I have enabled DIP switch 5

@brichter, yes I did do that on the top (near the chamII+ board) and it works. I've shorten for 3 seconds and then I suddenly have won the progressive I still have to check for signals but I will first do what you say, hook it up and shorten it on the bottom of the cable to make sure that works, I've checked the cables (I made 2 with different wire) with my multimeter and they made contact so it's not a broken wire or so ...

   Good ..So it appears that progressive side of it is working and Dip Switch 5 is enabled for progressive along with Dip Switch 8 disabled so it acts as a "stand alone" progressive,  at this point you will have to check for the output pulses for incrementing and please recheck the polarity and pins on the small board behind the hopper as that is what keep mine from incrementing.

On mine I am only using the first 2 pins starting at the left out of the possible four as you face the machine.

Joe - Thor777

[jay]

On the S+ side of things. The Coin In and Gnd are side by side. Pin 1 and 2 (I am going from memory so I am not sure which is which). Pin 3 is your data in and pin4 is not used. So what you are calling 1 & 3 are connected to 1 & 2 on the slot.

[brichter]

Here's pics of both ends of the cable, yours should look like this.

S+ end:

[brichter]

CHAMIII+ end:

[brichter]

And here is the diagram from the CHAMII+ manual:

[jstraa]

First of all thanks all for your support!
Mine looks the same, but I had to solder the thing (looks prettyt bad due to my soldering skills
But they do connect. I'll make a picture later on.

On the flat cable it's

LARGE CHIP
1,2,x,x,x,6,x
x,x,x,x,x,x,x
BOARD SIDE

AND NOT

LARGE CHIP
x,x,x,x,x,x,x
1,2,x,x,x,6,x
BOARD SIDE

Right?

[jstraa]

It's not working from the S+ side I enabled dip switch 5 but it's not giving any pulses.
Any ideas?

[Thor777]

It's not working from the S+ side I enabled dip switch 5 but it's not giving any pulses.
Any ideas?

Once you have enabled Dip Switch 5 and have Dip switch 8  "off" you must first close the door once to enable the new settings to take effect THEN
   You should hit the self test button untill  a "9" appears in the "coins played" display...This will confirm that your progressive is set to "on" and as a "stand alone"

If you hit the selftest switch and pass "8" and cannot bring up mode "9" then your control board is not turning on the progressive function.

   Once you verify you are able to bring up the number "9" in the coins played area then check for your pulses at the little board behind the hopper , also out of curisoity are you using a analog or digital meter?

 Anyone else with any other ideas please feel free to jump in as I am not the expert... 

Joe - Thor777

[jstraa]

I do get a 9, but this is in my case still to disable the machine (it displays 0  0)
I'm using SP 731 that's the proper one I think?
I'm using a digital meter

[Thor777]

I do get a 9, but this is in my case still to disable the machine (it displays 0  0)
I'm using SP 731 that's the proper one I think?
I'm using a digital meter

I am going to check a few things om my progressive and S+, in the meantime, I am missing something (probally the holiday weekend's effects  ), I don't quite understand what you mean by:
"but this is in my case still to disable the machine (it displays 0  0)" 

[Thor777]

OK..here goes...

   If you need to actually check for the output pulse for each coin LEAVING the S+...their are two ways to do this ...

1) (EASY METHOD)...Assuming your cable is good and hooked up to the S+ properly on PINS 1 & 2 of the little board behind the hopper (see the pics that  Brichter left you in his post to you) then remove the end attached to the progressive and attach a meter on the end of the cable from the S+ ...  black should go to PIN 1 and Red to pin 2 depending how you have your cable hooked up...

   Meter settings should be set to as close to 1 or 2 Volts as your meter will go and MUST be on AC to see the pluse when you either insert a coin or select the "bet one option"...  Your meter display should be "floating" around 000 to .25V AC and when the pulse comes through it will show as 1V for a split second...if you are getting this pulse there is nothing wrong with the Slot or your cable...

   If you are indeed getting the proper pulses then you need to check your progressive  dip switche and PSP programming files.
   The conI and conII controllers will send to the display the messages from files in this order--JP0, JP1, JP0, JP2, JP0, JP3, JP0 and over again. There are dip switch settings to enable an idle message to display untill a coin in is sensed, then it will display the JP amount as entered in JP0.
  JP1, JP2, JP3 are used to display lesser jackpots and advertising messages. If they are empty, then only the JP0 amount will be displayed. If the dips are set to display an idle message and there is no message in the message file then you will get an "empty" displayed on the display.

I hope this will all help...let me know...

Joe - Thor777