need help with universal stars and stripes

[silentservice]

need help with universal stars and stripes.

[silentservice]

I'm trying to fix a universal stars and stripes for a old couple and need help. the lights work but nothing else. i tried all the easy stuff, fuses, cords, plugs, switches and nothing. i found the battery on the board leaking out onto the board. so i removed the battery, cleaned the board the best i could and installed a new 3.6 volt lithium battery. after reassembly it still did not work. i did several resets of the board and finally it started. when it works it works great. lots of fun. but on start up its always a problem. the display does not light up, if the display does not work it will not run. when the display does light up everything works good. its like someone turns off a switch and then nothing works but the florescent lights. please help. thank you.

[Tbone]

I am still a noob with the slot machine stuff but it sounds like you might need a new board.
I know my IGT was doing the same thing and it was a problem with the board.
I wished I could find a manual on the Universal, I have looked high and low for it on the net.

If you lived close to me, I would take my board out and let you try it and see if that is the problem.

Troy

[silentservice]

well does anyone have a known good board that will fit the universal model number 8542 3 that i can buy. i really want to get this machine running for this old couple. i did find maintenance and repair manuals on ebay for the universal but they are copy,s and the guy selling them is very slow on shipping. thanks for your reply.

[dpalmi]

I wished I could find a manual on the Universal, I have looked high and low for it on the net.

 

Dan #2

[Tbone]

I wished I could find a manual on the Universal, I have looked high and low for it on the net.

 

Dan #2

Dan you are the man!! Thanks! I spend hours and hours looking for that manual.

Thanks a 10000000000000 Dan!

Troy

[Tbone]

need help with universal stars and stripes.

Does yours look like this one?
http://www.arcade-history.com/?n=stars-%27n-stripes&page=detail&id=24769

Stars 'n Stripes © 1976

[silentservice]

hello no this one looks like the typical universal slot machine. ill see if i can post a picture of it when i get back in town.

[uniman]

hello no this one looks like the typical universal slot machine. ill see if i can post a picture of it when i get back in town.

I would remove the noise filter and see if that helps.
Look at the last entry in this thread; http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=177.0

Otherwise I would suspect the big black block wire connector between the door and machine. Mounted just in front of the power supply. Sometimes the pins can back out causing intermittent outages.

Don't be confused by the model number. Universal did not have a model number for their cabinet, they used the game number instead.
They did use two different boards in these machines. What board does this machine have? 8116 or 8800.
(At this point I really do not suspect the board.)

By the way, like your name SilentService, one of favorite Uni games.   

[silentservice]

where is the noise filter and how do i remove it.
i liked the machine I'm trying to fix so much that i decided to buy my own, i wound up with a silentservice machine. i had planned on trying that board in the broken machine, that is when i realized they made more then one board.

[silentservice]

ok i followed the link and i see how to do it. thank you and i will let you know if it works. thanks so much.

[uniman]

hello no this one looks like the typical universal slot machine. ill see if i can post a picture of it when i get back in town.

I would remove the noise filter and see if that helps.
Look at the last entry in this thread; http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=177.0

Otherwise I would suspect the big black block wire connector between the door and machine. Mounted just in front of the power supply. Sometimes the pins can back out causing intermittent outages.

Don't be confused by the model number. Universal did not have a model number for their cabinet, they used the game number instead.
They did use two different boards in these machines. What board does this machine have? 8116 or 8800.
(At this point I really do not suspect the board.)

By the way, like your name SilentService, one of favorite Uni games.   

Click on this link --->     http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=177.0

Go to last posted entry and see the pic.   

OPPS, I see you found it!!

[silentservice]

well, i removed the noise filter. connected the wires as instructed. and reassembled. at first i had the same thing, no display. i did one more ram clear and it was up and working. i played for about 5 minutes and decided to turn it off then back on. it did boot back up, but this machine takes longer to boot up then the other one i bought. takes sometimes a minute before the display came on. then i played for about 10 minutes and it blinked out again. then it flashed on and off a few times and now the reels are vibrating. turned it on and off 3 times and each time as the display comes on the reels begin to vibrate and make a hum noise. this machine looks like it has been left on for years and years, everything inside looks like it was hot. and all the locks are just falling off the connectors. but i did make sure the connectors are all tight and no wires are falling out. when it works it works great. but then the power just stops to the displays and that is it. i may loose the rest of my hair working on this thing. any more suggestions would be greatly appreciated. thank you.

[uniman]

I would suggest checking the power supply output voltages. Here is a link to the outputs;  http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?
topic=177.0
Same link as before, the first post this time.
Check it right after the machine powers up good, and then when it's warmed up and the machine has failed.

Also, closely inspect the power cord, especially where it enters the machine. I have had frayed, cut, and smashed cords cause all sorts of intermittent problems.

If the above checks out OK, then it is time to consider trying a new board.

[silentservice]

hello, I'm trying to check these voltages, with the machine on and running using a fluke meter should i unplug the 12 pin connector and go directly to the power supply, or leave it plugged in and go in next to the wire? I'm asking because i tried with everything connected and running, and the machine is working at this time but for some reason i must be doing something wrong, I'm not finding the 100 volts ac or 24 v ac. when they say across 6 and 12 do they mean put the black lead on 6 and the red lead on 12 should be 100 volt ac? or across 3 and 9,
to find all the voltages it is supposed to have where should i pick up the ground. should i use case ground or one of the grounds on the 12 pin connector. sorry to be a pain in the you know what. this is something i normally do not do. your help is greatly appreciated.

[silentservice]

today the machine is working fine. so i tried a wiggle test inside on all the wires and connectors. hoping to find something that would cause it to blink out. i found nothing. while testing the voltages on the power supply it seems everything is just under the rated numbers. but close. i still for some reason do not have the 6 and 12 thing figured out. or 3 and 9. i get nothing when i test from one to the other. what am i doing wrong. the power must be there. because it is working. if you can tell me the correct way to test all the voltages, i will check them all running and will then retest after it stops to see if one of them is gone. thanks for all the help

[jay]

Since the wiggle test passed it sounds like a heat problem.
I suspect it will go off when the machine has been on for a while.
This usually leads to a cold solder joint on the board or a worn component.

You can get a can of cooling spray, and the typical troubleshooting consists of running until it stops by heat then giving a shot of the coolent to suspect components and see if it comes alive.

[silentservice]

well uniman i hope you can work your magic. as i read on this site you seem to be the king of universal slots. i would really like to fix this thing. please let me know what is the correct way to check all the voltages. and if it is the board do you have one i can buy. this board has all 3 pigtails on it, 2 small and one large. the machine only uses the 2 small ones. i bought a third machine hoping to use the board out of it and well guess what, it only has the one pigtail, the large one. so here i am now with 3 machines and still can not get this first one going correctly. ironically i bought the third one as a parts machine, and wound up finding and repairing 3 problems in just about 2 hours. now it is running great. why couldn't the first one be so easy.

[uniman]

well uniman i hope you can work your magic. as i read on this site you seem to be the king of universal slots. i would really like to fix this thing. please let me know what is the correct way to check all the voltages. and if it is the board do you have one i can buy. this board has all 3 pigtails on it, 2 small and one large. the machine only uses the 2 small ones. i bought a third machine hoping to use the board out of it and well guess what, it only has the one pigtail, the large one. so here i am now with 3 machines and still can not get this first one going correctly. ironically i bought the third one as a parts machine, and wound up finding and repairing 3 problems in just about 2 hours. now it is running great. why couldn't the first one be so easy.

On this site I may be king of Universals only because I'm about the only one who replies to Uni questions. Lately I see more members jumping in and helping and that's great! The more the better!

Can you post a picture of your power supply. There are a few different versions. Can you post a picture of it in the machine with the connector plugged in?
Then after seeing it I can help you locate the voltages.
Also, I may have an extra board, I'm sure I can part with it at a very reasonable price. But I hate to see you buy a board only to find that's not the problem.

The other game you have with no external connectors from the board must not have any buttons, right?
Universal first came out with slots that had no buttons, just the handle. Then when they added buttons, they added those two connectors. (6-pin and 3-pin)
The 6-pin controls the Cashout, Bet one, and Max bet buttons. The 3-pin controls the Spin button. The big connector I believe is for casino monitoring systems.

You stated your model number for this Stars & Stripes as 8542. This is not a Stars & Stripes number. It belongs to a game called Wild Bar. Run test #9 to get your eprom numbers.

Last, did you try wiggling the power cord while the machine was on?

[silentservice]

OK i will take some pictures late tonight and see if i can figure out how to post them. if you do have a board how much would it cost? you are correct the third game i just bought has no buttons. just pay and pull handle. still great fun. i will double check the model number and will get the eprom numbers later as well. now i wonder if someone made this machine out of parts. honestly if this one was mine i would probably part it out. but the old couple that own it have had it a long time and really are quite attached to it. they can not afford another machine and they already paid people to try and fix this one, and got ripped. i feel bad for them. but I'm no slot repairman either. however i am learning quite a bit as i go. i think if i can not fix there machine i will offer to give them the one with no buttons, it works great and pays often. its in real nice condition and the best part is i only paid 50 for it. so worse case scenario they will have a different machine. and i will use theres for parts. talk later.

[uniman]

Sent you a PM.

Uniman

[silentservice]

i did try the wiggle test on the power cord, no change. the eprom numbers are
1, 8933
2, 0007
3, 9051
4, 0007
5, 1200
any help is greatly appreciated. i thank everyone.

[Jim]

silentservice     I had a similar problem with a universal:   the battery had leaked and ate away some of the traces going to a dioide in and around that area, found the intermittent problem by pressing on the area and observing what occur ed .  you can remove the board from the cage and plug it into the connectors, just be sure everything is lined up properly before you apply power. most boards are keyed to prevent this, but I always double check.

I would examine that area very closely, with a magnifying glass, and hopefully you will find the problem.

Jim

[silentservice]

uniman, i tried to email you but for some reason keeps booting back. i did get the pictures of the power supply on the site but for what ever reason they wound up at the top of the first page. i do want the board. and greatly appreciate you offering it up. the old couple will really be happy and i can keep the parts machine i repaird. let me know how to pay you. i do have a paypal account if that will work. talk later.

[uniman]

I got your email and seen the board pic. A normal looking 8116-A2.
I cannot see the power supply pics?
Can you email those to me? No more than 10mb files/pics are allowed to my email.