LCD Upgrade

[ROCKET]

OK a follow up on the TOUCH SCREENS ONLY !

The 3m micro touch touch screen runs on 12 volts DC

The "ELO" TOUCH SCREEN controller runs on  5 volts DC

I don't recommend you hook up a "ELO" controller to 12 volts dc or they make a real cool >>>POP NOISE<<< & SMOKE COMES OUT !!
Also don't get suckered in on 3M TOUCH SCREEN CONTROLLERS when and if you purchase one or more ??
if you see a listing that says will only work for or "calibrated to work >.only<< with hypothetically a POT  O GOLD game
the 3m micro touch controller made in the last few yrs fit and will work on 99% of the games out there along with casino --to--- arcade games .
they all need calibration etc >>touch points once installed <<

as far as going from the DB -9 ------9-pin serial to USB  PORT on the controller.  
just get the correct cable you need take the controller appart and plug in the one you need to use .

I hate eBay sellers selling a 3M TOUCH SCREEN CONTROLLER saying it is special design for use with the POT OF GOLD GAME FOR 99.99 PLUS SHIPPING
that's a joke .. or the other ones you see on arcade games as MERIT-MIDAWAY-TOUCHMASTER- JVL - ETC that the seller states the same thing .
most used working 3M touch screen controllers with the 36" long cable connected to a DB-9 --9 PIN SERIAL CABLE END sell for as little as 9.99 --29.99
of course we all have seen people pay more for items on eBay .  

so just keep in mind the voltage issue i mentioned above so you don't smoke a ELO CONTROLLER those can run into money if purchased new or used !!

[stayouttadabunker]

Good stuff/info to know rocket!

[ROCKET]

Good stuff/info to know rocket!

GIVE ME 10 MINUTES I WILL POST THE PICTURES OF USB CONTROLLER 3M
& THE 3M DB-9 ---9-PIN CONNECTOR CONTROLLER FOUND IN GAMEMAKERS

THEN THE INSIDE OF THE 3M CONTROLLER WHAT CABLE TO SWAP ON A LATE MODEL 3M CONTROLLER

[ROCKET]

THESE ARE PICTURES OF 3M MICRO TOUCH CONTROLLERS FOUND IN THE GAMEMAKER & MANY TOUCH SCREEN GAMES
THIS IS HARDER  TO DO SINCE ONLY 2 PICTURES CAN BE POSTED AT A TIME. BUT YOU WILL GET THE IDEA .

FIRST PICTURE  IS THE 3M CONTROLLER WITH DB-9 CONNECTOR & ONE WITH THE USB CONNECTOR

after you take them appart you will see the plug for the usb cable unit is not as wide as the 9-pin unit in following pictures
they both perform the same and are calibrated the same and both run on 12 volts dc

[ROCKET]

FIRST PICTURE IS THE DB-9 CONTROLLER----THE ONE USED INSIDE THE GAME MAKER WITH A CRT MONITOR

THE SECOND PICTURE IS THE CABLE END INSIDE CONTROLLER THE PLUG ON LEFT IS THE 9-PIN
THE PLUG ON RIGHT IS THE USB

[ROCKET]

 FIRST PICTURE OF THE 3M CONTROLLER USING A USB CONNECTOR

SECOND  PICTURE IS THE USB CONTROLLER SEPERATED TO LET YOU SEE THE PLUG INSIDE THE CONTROLLER

ONCE AGAIN THE 3M MICROTOUCH CONTROLLERS

THE DB-9 --MODEL

THE USB --MODEL

BOTH ARE POWERED BY 12 VOLTS DC

[aeroslave]

Thanks Rocket,

I guess I will not try to pull the touch screens off then!

I have two versions of the Gamemaker machines and have not decided which version to start with yet.

It would still be nice to use the touch screen control boards that are already on the CRT monitors.
I wonder if there are still 15" serial type stick on touch screens these days or have all of the manufacturers switched to USB?
Alternatively are the touch screens themselves compatible with both serial and USB control boards as long as the voltage is right?
The older version Gamemaker's touch screen control board says "Microtouch 1993".
The newer of the two versions of the Gamemaker has a touch screen control board that says DMAL and has chips by AMI and Phillips.
Several wires come from the touch screens to the control boards.
In the end both versions of the boards have only three output wires that go from the touch screen boards to the Gamemaker. (+,- and Blue)

[aeroslave]

My last post may have seemed redundant...I didn't hit the refresh before my post and you had made more posts.
It looks like one of my boards is the same as the serial version in your pics.

OK, I have an ELO touch screen with USB control board.
Now the question would be....Do I try to use the ELO touch screen sensor with the Serial microtouch control board that is already in my Gamemaker?
OR.... Do I use the ELO sensor and USB control board that comes with the monitor and then try to somehow convert the signal to serial before it goes to the Gamemaker?

[ROCKET]

TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION THERE ARE PLENTY OF 15" CRT TOUCH SCREENS LEFT

13"


 14" --CRT
15" --CRT
16" --CRT
19" --CRT


I PICKED UP 4 --ELO 15 INCH  CRT TOUCH SCREENS OFF EBAY THE OTHER DAY BRAND NEW NEVER USED 49.99 PLUS 25.00 SHIPPING

A DAY LATER I FOUND A PILE OF>>>>>>     13" OR 14" INCH  I CANT REMEMBER??  "3M "  BRAND NEW CRT SCREENS BUY IT NOW FOR 16.99 .
SO I GRABBED TWO .

6 MONTHS AGO I PICKED UP "12-TWELVE"      19 -INCH 3M BRAND TOUCH SCREENS THAT FIT THE CURVE OF YOUR HOME PC MONITOR BRAND NEW IN MICROTOUCH BOX FOR 19.99 EACH PLUS SHIPPING --THAT WAS SUPER CHEAP UPS GROUND LIKE 30.00 BUCKS

IF I BUILD A ARCADE GAME THAT NEEDS TOUCH SCREEN .I JUST TAKE A NEW OR USED 19 -INCH HOME PC MONITOR .TAKE IT OUT OF THE PLASTIC FRAME BOX >> VERY CAREFULLY << THEN USE THE METAL FRAMES FROM A OLD GAME OR OLD DEAD CRT . MOUNT THE HOME PC MONITOR IN THE FRAME AND INTO THE CABINET ETC AND OFF IT GOES ..

CRT MONITORS ARE ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD DAILY ..I PICK THEM UP SEE IF THERE ANY GOOD ?? AND SAVE FOR ORGAN DONORS FOR PROJECTS .
THE PROBLEM WITH THE HOME OWNER PC CRT . IS THE PLASTIC HOUSING HOLDS & SUPPORTS MANY PARTS SO YOU HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFULL REMOVING THEM THEN MODIFY A BELLY PLATE FOR THE CHASSIS ETC SO IT DOES NOT FALL OFF INTO TINY BITS AND PIECES ON THE FLOOR LOL

DONT FORGET PACK RATS LIKE ME NEVER HAVE TO RUN TO RADIO SHACK -BEST BUY -COMP USA -WALLMART -TARGET -TO FIND SOME TINY COMPUTER PART .. ITS IN THE SCRAP PILE .. FOR FREE ..

[ROCKET]

My last post may have seemed redundant...I didn't hit the refresh before my post and you had made more posts.
It looks like one of my boards is the same as the serial version in your pics.

OK, I have an ELO touch screen with USB control board.
Now the question would be....Do I try to use the ELO touch screen sensor with the Serial microtouch control board that is already in my Gamemaker?
OR.... Do I use the ELO sensor and USB control board that comes with the monitor and then try to somehow convert the signal to serial before it goes to the Gamemaker?

DONT USE THE ELO OR WIRE THE ELO TO THE ORANGE WIRE IN GAME MAKER .YOU WILL BLOW UP THE ELO CONTROLLER

AS FAR AS USING THE ELO TOUCH SCREEN ON THE GAME MAKER ?? THAT WAS THE QUESTION I ASKED EVERYONE YESTERDAY >>HAS IT BEEN TRIED << MY GUESS IF IT WAS TRIED IT WONT WORK BECAUSE THE SOFTWARE IN THE GAMEMAKER WAS ONLY DESIGNED TO RECOGNIZE A 3M BRAND PRODUCT . SO I BET MONEY THEY NEVER INSTALLED DRIVERS FOR ELO !!  ELO ARE MORE EXPENSIVE IN ALL ASPECTS AND GAMING & ARCADE COMPANYS VERY RARELY
MIX THE TWO .. MERIT PRODUCTS DO ON SOME OF THERES .. JVL STOPPED USING ELO AFTER THE I -TOUCH 4 SERIES .
IF YOU HOOK UP A ELO TO A LATE MODEL JVL IT WONT RECOGNIZE THE TOUCH SCREEN PERIOD ..

SO STICK WITH WHAT IT WAS DESIGNED WITH 3M ALL THE WAY OR YOU MAY BE BUYING MORE THAN JUST A CONTROLLER ..

AS I POSTED 3M RUN ON 12 VOLTSDC --ELO RUN ON 5-VOLTS DC  IF YOU FEED THE ELO 12 VOLTS DC  IT WILL GO KA-BOOM .. I KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE 10 + YRS AGO ..LOL THEY SMOKE LIKE HELL TO !!

DONT MIX AND MATCH ELO & 3M -->> YOUR ASKING FOR SURE TROUBLE !!

[aeroslave]

Ok..... well.......I just bought another ELO LCD touch screen right before your last post. I now have three 15" LCD's two are the ELO USB touchscreens
so I may be looking at a long road ahead. I am not worried about the voltage, I can build a regulated power supply from scratch.
What worries me is that I did not graduate form the university of USB so that stuff is a bit over my head.
The serial control boards have only one non power wire feeding the Gamemaker MPU board.
I have my fingers crossed that I might be able to use a serial to USB converter between the ELO boards and the Gamemakers.

[ROCKET]

Ok..... well.......I just bought another ELO LCD touch screen right before your last post. I now have three 15" LCD's two are the ELO USB touchscreens
so I may be looking at a long road ahead. I am not worried about the voltage, I can build a regulated power supply from scratch.
What worries me is that I did not graduate form the university of USB so that stuff is a bit over my head.
The serial control boards have only one non power wire feeding the Gamemaker MPU board.
I have my fingers crossed that I might be able to use a serial to USB converter between the ELO boards and the Gamemakers.

OK i hate to repeat myself over and over .. but before you spend time and money .
what i was trying to tell you is that BALLY I BET !! never set up the touch screen software to recognize a ELO TOUCH SCREEN
OR ELO CONTROLLER ??

perhaps that way you may understand my point ??

im not saying it wont work ?? i just have never seen a ELO TOUCH SCREEN ON A BALLY ??AND NOBODY HAS CHIMED IN AND SAID YES IN THE PAST 5 DAYS ??

MAKES ME THINK ELO WONT WORK ..

[aeroslave]

Thanks for spelling it out Rocket I understand.
I was just beating the dieing horse because I already have all of the money sunk into the ELO, so I thought I might give it a shot.
On the other hand I have other machines to work on too so I take your advise and will buy a 3m setup for them !
I guess there are two types of touch screens too, Resistive and Capacitive.
My next step will be to ID the kind of 3m sensor that will work with the control boards I have on the Gamemakers.

[aeroslave]

Most of the 3m sensors I have found generally have a micro-thin membrane with a few contact points at the end instead of the white bar with the pins.

[aeroslave]

Have any of you on here ever tried an LCD touch screen mod on a Bally machine?
True do it yourself....not a Ceronix kit.

I would like to hear about it even if it did not work.

[ROCKET]

Have any of you on here ever tried an LCD touch screen mod on a Bally machine?
True do it yourself....not a Ceronix kit.

I would like to hear about it even if it did not work.

A better question does anybody know for your case above past ten post

DO  BALLY GAME MAKERS RECOGNIZE A "ELO" TOUCH SCREEN---HAS ANYONE TRIED THAT ??  USING CRT OR LCD
 

[ruttrunner1]

"DO  BALLY GAME MAKERS RECOGNIZE A "ELO" TOUCH SCREEN---HAS ANYONE TRIED THAT ??  USING CRT OR LCD"

I would bet the answer is no.

You might want to explore wiring the Bally controller to the ELO screeen if it is the correct type. Inductive, resistive or whatever. Does it at least have the same number of wires?
 

[ROCKET]

"DO  BALLY GAME MAKERS RECOGNIZE A "ELO" TOUCH SCREEN---HAS ANYONE TRIED THAT ??  USING CRT OR LCD"

I would bet the answer is no.

You might want to explore wiring the Bally controller to the ELO screeen if it is the correct type. Inductive, resistive or whatever. Does it at least have the same number of wires?
 

MY ANSWER WAS NO FROM THE  START.
 ONLY BECAUSE>> ELO << & >>3M<<< ARE TWO DIFFERENT ANIMALS AND RUN ON TWO DIFFERENT VOLTAGES
PLUS I HAVE NEVER EVER SEEN A GAMAKER WITH A ELO SCREEN ON IT !! BALLY IS TO CHEAP TO GO THE EXTRA BUCK !!

THEY SPENT MORE ON THE ADHESIVE TO ATTACH THE T/S TO THE CRT MONITOR LOL

EVEN THOUGH I OWN ONE I HAVE NEVER READ IN THE MANUAL THAT IT GAVE A OPTION FOR THE ELO ?
OR ON START UP OR A RAM CLEAR ETC IT NEVER ASKS ?? WHO'S T/S IS BEING USED AS MANY OTHER GAMES I HAVE WORKED ON DO ?

ALONG WITH I CANT SEE BALLY OR IGT -WILLIAMS --FOR SETTING UP THE PLATFORM TO ACCEPT THE DRIVERS FOR 3M & ELO TOUCH SCREENS ??

 

[ruttrunner1]

FYI,

Bally EVO Machines come with ELO touch screens.

[ROCKET]

FYI,

Bally EVO Machines come with ELO touch screens.

great finally some came forward with some bally touch screen info !!

that is good to know for the BALLY LOVERS i hate the things myself ..but do own 4 or 5    I think ??
thanks for the info again

[stayouttadabunker]

so....somewhere there may be some type of documentation on the Bally Evo Elo touchscreens, huh?

[ROCKET]

so....somewhere there may be some type of documentation on the Bally Evo Elo touchscreens, huh?

this quacks me up .. I hate BALLY'S but i bet i have a manual on the EVO SERIES
but i would have no need to look . the original question was to just help out the member that was trying to save a buck $$ and mix & match
ELO with 3m  or on that idea of putting in A "ELO" LCD TOUCH SCREEN in the Game Maker . you can buy rebuilt CRT units for BALLY 7000 SERIES
GAMEMAKERS .I would guess two monitors anyways !! for the price of one LCD RETRO FIT KIT FROM HAAP .

as I mentioned once before .the game maker was designed around a CRT MONITOR .That last in the machines in the casino 24/7 -365 days a year
for a period of 5 years lets say .. many more as we know .. is it cost effective to purchase the LCD RETRO FIT SCREEN KIT. For working monitors in the machines ?? or Even cost effective to buy the kit for a blown monitor machine ?
most likely the LCD RETRO FIT KIT will outlast the machine ??
Even as a NOVICE HOME OWNER VIDEO SLOT . I could not justify the expense in buying the kit from HAAP .WHEN THE WHOLESALE PRICE OF A GAMEMAKER IS THE SAME AS THE LCD KIT FROM HAAP. when you can buy a refurb CRT monitor
with touchscreen for 1/2 the price .
I guess its preference to what one's needs are ??

the one thing i have never seen is a dead pixel in a crt screen .. it may darken or green out or shadow in the long run .
but i have seen many touch screens fail & be replaced because some idiot hit the screen to hard ..

[ruttrunner1]

I thought someone might be interested in this.

When I refer to EVO. I mean my Bally EVO slot machine.
When I refer to ELO. I mean my $40 ELO touch screen from EBAY.
They are actually both ELO brand touch screen monitors.

I had an hour to waste last night, so I removed the touch screen controller from my EVO machine. I then swapped out the usb controller in my elo monitor with it. It basically plugged in with the exception of the power supply wires which were not a big deal. Appearantly the screen on the ELO was of a different type, meaning inductive, resistive or whatever. I say this because it did not work and the machine knew it because it blacked out the onscreen buttons. EVO controller had 2 lights. One was green one was yellow. I think green meant it was communicating with machine and yellow was representing non working screen. There were 3 jumpers on the EVO controller and since I did not have a manual for it, I did not change them. I would assume that the controller was capable of working with the screen if I knew how to set up the jumpers.

I put them both back together and they both work fine as they did before the experiment.

[cp]

OK now that it's established the  Bally Evo-Hybrid  uses an  ELO  15"  touchscreen...has anyone tried to  take the touchscreen from  Evo-Hybrid and retrofit into a  Bally Game Maker ?   I know the  Evo-Hybrid  "platform"  upon  clear and setting the parameters are  VERY  close (on screen)   to setting up a Bally Game Maker.  ...drop down menus  etc..   Anyone up to a challenge and feel confident  it "may"  work  in a  Game Maker,  I'll  send them a  Evo-Hybrid  touch screen.
    I have about  35 of the Bally Evo-Hybrids. ...perhaps  this may be a way of  "moving"  the inventory...as the Evo-Hybrids are a bit slow selling.  Hate to junk them ... but the monthy storage bill  is beginning to add up.

  The only other thought  I had was to get the  Disc and  eprom  from a  Bally Evo-Hybrid  "Playboy"... to see if it will retrofit and work in a  single   button panel row... (the original Playboy Evo-Hybrid has 2 rows of buttons).

[ROCKET]

OK now that it's established the  Bally Evo-Hybrid  uses an  ELO  15"  touchscreen...has anyone tried to  take the touchscreen from  Evo-Hybrid and retrofit into a  Bally Game Maker ?   I know the  Evo-Hybrid  "platform"  upon  clear and setting the parameters are  VERY  close (on screen)   to setting up a Bally Game Maker.  ...drop down menus  etc..   Anyone up to a challenge and feel confident  it "may"  work  in a  Game Maker,  I'll  send them a  Evo-Hybrid  touch screen.
    I have about  35 of the Bally Evo-Hybrids. ...perhaps  this may be a way of  "moving"  the inventory...as the Evo-Hybrids are a bit slow selling.  Hate to junk them ... but the monthy storage bill  is beginning to add up.

  The only other thought  I had was to get the  Disc and  eprom  from a  Bally Evo-Hybrid  "Playboy"... to see if it will retrofit and work in a  single   button panel row... (the original Playboy Evo-Hybrid has 2 rows of buttons).

I understand what your saying .. 100%

 but as i mentioned it would be easier to contact BALLY direct !!or find a BALLY TECH . who knows if the drivers were ever installed for the "ELO" on the game maker ?? because its a total waste of time pulling monitors and attaching LCD of "ELO" brand if the ELO drivers dont exist ..

as i mentioned in many other post i have worked on many many touch screen games .. many dont put both drivers in for 3m & elo

because the contract they had when the hypothetical game here >.we will use "GAME MAKER" 7000 SERIES  that bally would only use 3m on there design concept so there was never a need or a way to install a ELO touch screen .


They may of made it strictly a 3m machine for life to give all proceeds to 3m !!which is common in mass produced equipment .



right down to hydraulic valves sold for heavy equipment etc .. can you buy a two lever lift hydraulic lift control for a john deere tractor at the john doe. parts store ?? answer NO !!

IT HAS TO COME FROM JOHN DEERE thats where they make there money  1/2 goes to JOHN DEERE THE OTHER TO THE ORIGINAL MANUFACTURE OF THE HYDRAULIC VALVE .
EVEN IN CATOLOGA THEY ORIGINAL MANUFACTURE NAME --WILL NOT LIST THE PART IN QUESTION -BUT IN JOHN DEERE -CATOLOG THE PART EXIST .

this would not surpise me at all with BALLY GAME MAKERS OR OTHER CASINO OR ARCADE MACHINES !!

WHEN DESIGNED THEY USE PARTS FROM A CERTAIN SUPPLER  THAT GIVE AVERAGE LIFE OF USE !  WHEN IT COMES TO REPLACE YOU HAVE TO BUY THE SAME PART FROM SAME CO. TO REPLACE IT . BECAUSE ITS COPYRIGHT PROTECTED ..

i just thought i would add to the question before someone blew up there game maker trying the idea out .its easier to find if drivers wrere ever installed than to go to the length of work to do the switch ??