PE+ CRT to LCD conversion

[knagl]

I just sent an e-mail to the address listed a few posts ago, asking about cost and shipping to the US.  I'll let everyone know what I find out.  If the price is reasonable, I'm willing to buy one (actually two, since I have two machines) to be the guinea pig for the devices, and Stolistic will be able to check it out to confirm if the colors are right.

[Neonkiss]

I know for a fact that this is used in Columbia Casinos. I have a friend here in the states that was introduced to this conversion.
Parts are very scarce down there and sometimes you have to do what you have to do to get machines up and running. This originated as a very crude hack. It was double sided taped to the top of the MPU with the hole cut into the front of the card cage for the video adapter to plug into. Wires were soldered onto legs of the chips and it was not a pretty install. It is currently being worked on here in the states and should be made available within 6 months.

My posting is referencing the origination of this modification. I am in no way saying that is what is being offered in the post above. However a solution to this will be made available here in the US soon.

[TZtech]

Neonkiss

Any news on this product ?

Knagl

According to the guy that I am using now for repairs all the signals (Colour and Synch) are inverted from standard CGA.

Ian

[knagl]

a solution to this will be made available here in the US soon.

Indeed, I'm curious about this, too.  I'm still very interested in a couple of them for my PE+ bartops.


As an update of sorts, I never received a reply to my e-mail sent to the guy that next_gaming posted about.

[TZtech]

Hi Guys

Was prowsing Happs website and came across this.

http://www.happ.com/monitors/49260310.htm.
They clam it can support CGA and can be programmed for various machines. $300 for the 15".
Will send them a mail to find out if it ill work on PE+.

Ian

[knagl]

Interesting find, Ian.  Please let us know what you find out.   

[ROCKET]

going by memory --plus i came into this thread without reading it lol

if your trying to convert a ceronix cga monitor to lcd vga --youmay run into a problem doing it yourself .

my memory was ceronix cga monitors ran there video outputs backwards !!

so a standard converter will not do the trick --what jogged my memory is the mention of the converter working on cherry masters monitors  etc
yes thats true they work on them . but memory tells me ceronix ran a backwards signal ?? i need to check my notes

i could be all wet on this but i dont think so . its only on ceronix conversions ..

[TZtech]

Hello Rocket

According to the Guy that repairs our monitors here the PE+ signal has both the colours and Synch inverted from standard CGA. However Happ claims they can re program the monitor.I assume such things can be taken care of within the panels processing circuitry. Anyway will see if I can get some info from them. I have seen a LCD advertised previously that can handle CGA but t was something ridiculous like $800. I have no previous experience with this make looks like its Happ's in house brand.

Ian

[ROCKET]

from my notes from long ago

the PE ---CERONIX MONITOR USED --would have to be reconfigured to work with a converter box of a CERONIX BASED--configuration for inverted video.
 
so my guess is HAAP ??there supplier has taken the time re-wire a board or add on part to make the LCD work in a IGT -PE with CERONIX MONITOR

from my notes in red print

The output of the PE+ logic for red green and blue is inverted. So, the Ceronix monitor has jumpers to use inverted video.  Other than an old Nintendo monitor (like in Donkey Kong), there are no other monitors that accept inverted video.

[stayouttadabunker]

I wonder...Could this inverted logic signal be solved by
just swapping the connector pins between red and blue?
Or would that be too simple? 

I just got on the PE+ LCD conversion wannabe bandwagon
with a recent acquiring of a 98% "Four-Of-A-Kind Bonus Poker" machine.
I love it!!!

Okay....Uh...Pictures coming soon to a theater near you...

[CaptainHappy]

 

 

[theDotster]

If the only monitors that accept this inverted signal are Donkey Kong and PE+, why on earth did IGT go down that route? Surely they weren't going to try and take on Nintendo!! 

[ROCKET]

If the only monitors that accept this inverted signal are Donkey Kong and PE+, why on earth did IGT go down that route? Surely they weren't going to try and take on Nintendo!!  

give  me a few hrs i will make the call to find the answer ??

but modfied guess before the IGT source confirms ?/

why does IGT do what they do on many things ???

to be different

they constatly buy out perfect game plans and put them on a shelf so nobody uses them

they probably had a deal with CERONIX TO BUY 5 MILLION CRT MONITORS IS MY GUESS

why do certain cmpany's only make proprietary parts ??  so you have to buy from IGT --BALLY --WILLIAMS -ETC ETC

THE LIST GOES ON AND ON . even the topic of hydralic seals the other day .. for instance  GREESEN HYDRAULIC VAVLES FOR A LIFT BUCKET ON A OLD FARM TRACTOR IS 29.99
SAME MODEL VALVE -SIGHTLY ALTERED SO THREADS ARE ON DIFF SIDE 
IF ITS FOR JOHN DEERE IT $299.99 AND ONLY CA BE PURCHASED AT JOHN DEERE

[theDotster]

why do certain cmpany's only make proprietary parts ??  so you have to buy from IGT --BALLY --WILLIAMS -ETC ETC

THE LIST GOES ON AND ON . even the topic of hydralic seals the other day .. for instance  GREESEN HYDRAULIC VAVLES FOR A LIFT BUCKET ON A OLD FARM TRACTOR IS 29.99
SAME MODEL VALVE -SIGHTLY ALTERED SO THREADS ARE ON DIFF SIDE 
IF ITS FOR JOHN DEERE IT $299.99 AND ONLY CA BE PURCHASED AT JOHN DEERE

Yes, that makes perfect sense. Seems weird that they appear to only have done it on PE+, perhaps Ceronix pulled a fast one on IGT and said, now you bought the 5mill we are not doing any more and you'll have to find another way to fix them!

[ROCKET]

well this was my IGT ANSWER!below dotted line ..
almost a same guess I made ------if it works and has been a proven worker then 25 yrs later---- why  mess with it
??

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I am not really sure why they went that route.  We asked ourselves the same thing in the Video Game industry with Nintendo.  They were the ONLY manufacturer that used inverted video.  Their original monitors (Sanyo monitor chassis) were Inverted in only.  Later, the same Sanyo monitor came with a small inverter board attached to invert it back to true video, or plug it into a spare connector and it was inverted video. This allowed the monitor to be used by Atari in some of their games which were not inverted.
 
I guess these foreign markets just won't let 25 year old gaming equipment die - like in the old days of video, all you need is a working coin mech to make money!!!!
 
 

[ROCKET]

why do certain cmpany's only make proprietary parts ??  so you have to buy from IGT --BALLY --WILLIAMS -ETC ETC

THE LIST GOES ON AND ON . even the topic of hydralic seals the other day .. for instance  GREESEN HYDRAULIC VAVLES FOR A LIFT BUCKET ON A OLD FARM TRACTOR IS 29.99
SAME MODEL VALVE -SIGHTLY ALTERED SO THREADS ARE ON DIFF SIDE 
IF ITS FOR JOHN DEERE IT $299.99 AND ONLY CA BE PURCHASED AT JOHN DEERE

Yes, that makes perfect sense. Seems weird that they appear to only have done it on PE+, perhaps Ceronix pulled a fast one on IGT and said, now you bought the 5mill we are not doing any more and you'll have to find another way to fix them!

most likely the case the contract was with IGT so some procedes of any CERONIX GAMING MONITOR"'REAIR" HIT IGT STILL ?
LIKE THEY NEED A BUCK LOL

[stayouttadabunker]

I have a few 19" Vision Pro LCD monitors that were taken
out of service from our security surveillance room.
They were similar to the ones Happs is selling for like $299 each plus their mystery shipping.
These monitors were not bad really -
they've just upgraded to larger 22" Vision Pro LCD monitors with 3M USB CTS (touchscreens) at work.

In the morning I will remove the back covers and see if there are any jumpers
on the monitor boards that may invert the incoming processing signals from PE+.
I also have a manual for them laying around somewhere but I think Happs has it up on their website.
I don't think these were designed for PE's or PE+'s though.
First of all, they're too big... 

[TZtech]

Hello SB

It would most probably be using the same DAC controller for both models so it would be interesting to see what the image looks like with inverted signals.
The manual says the synchs can be positive or negative so this wont be an issue - if you can get a picture at least its one step closer to a working sollution.

Ian

[stayouttadabunker]

Got to work this morning and all the old monitors were donated to a local school....arghh!!
I was left with a couple of Makvision 19" monitors that only have a voltage jumper
on the CGA 2 VGA inverter Wei-Ya boards on the back of them.
This jumper switches between 3.5v/12v/5v only.

I'm stuck with some china-made converter / inverter board that
I'm going to sacrifice for the good of mankind...    lol

The 1st step for me is determine which pins or wires are coming
out off the motherboard at the J9 7-pin connector that has 6 wires
(( one housing socket ( the 7th) intentionally not used ))
on the MPU harness going to the VGA monitor on the PE+.

There are 2 wires (Black & white twisted) that are putting out 120Vac and
a green one that is bolted to the power supply so I've identified those 3 so far...

The J9 connector has these 6 wires in a 7 socket housing.
I've found out through the schematics posted below what these may be:
1]Brown = ?  Vertical Sync
2]White = ?   Horizontal Sync
3]Red = ?  Red...lol
4]Blue =?  Blue...duh!
5]Green =?  Green (Gee...who whudda thunk it?)
6]Black = ?  Video Ground
7]Not Used = okay...lol

Once I know these, then I'll have a better idea which wires are for
the "R", "G", "B", "GND", and "S" pins
on the CGA-2-VGA converter board I have sitting in front me.

Problem is - I have one extra wire....
Below is the highlighted area where I want to connect my PE+ harness to.
Click on photo to enlarge>>>

[ROCKET]

not on your CERONIX crt's conversion your trying ..

 but just reg CRT -To-- LCD --I also depending on converter board model ??
and CRT of various makers --ended up wth a extra >>WHITE WIRE ON A FEW

others a extra BLACK WIRE ..

ITS EXTRA STUFF HIDE IT UNDER THE RUG ..

[stayouttadabunker]

So I can step on it and get a shock? I don't think so! ...

I'm no dummy - I did that before! lol

Oh by the way, converter model? No idea...I bought it from china last summer.

[stayouttadabunker]

Okay...I found this schematic of the PE+ motherboard for the J9 plug going to the CRT monitor.

[ROCKET]

Mark,
silly question -but what are you trying to do ??

the thing I discussed before ON THIS THREAD with TZTECH ??  about converting  the  CERONIX CRT MONITOR -----to A LCD DISPLAY ?? -
with the use of one of the HONG KONG SPECIALS --SIGNAL CONVERTER???


when I did confrm from my notes --that the CERONIX CRT used in IGT PE + does have a "INVERTED VIDEO " 

thats what I am getting from your attempts here on your post ..

if you get any picture after you do your connections etc

please post some pictures ?? even if its distorted but viewable ??  

I like pictures .. just not RAIN & ELECTRICTY that I have right now lol

[stayouttadabunker]

Yep...I'm working on it! lol

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/25qkE6ZcBHc&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/25qkE6ZcBHc&rel=0</a>

[ROCKET]

ok just checking !!

be safe and check all the wires for any current left in them ...