Question on S+ series machine

[Mdpokersupply]

So, I was working on a machine with the code 61 error, got it corrected and used the set chip to reset all the denoms that the machine originally took and now the bill validater is only taking $1 and nothing else. Isn't the denom regcognition done in the bill validate and not through the board? It's the older series bill validater..not a 200. Should I recheck my settings on the motherboard? It takes quarters fine and gives the correct amount of credits for them, as well as, the $1. I really think my issue lies in the validater itself. But, I'm new to these machines and don't completely know that answer, that's why I'm here, to learn from the best. Anybody have any ideas?
Thanks,
Steve

[Brianzz]

you may be bumping your validator credit limit, what SP are you using?

[StatFreak]

Hi Mdpokersupply,

It might help if you could clarify some questions.
Was the validator working correctly prior to the 61 error and your use of the set chip?
Why did you need to use the set chip? (A 61 error can generally be cleared without one.)
What SP chip (game chip) do you have in the machine?
If it was working beforehand, did you change any of dip switches on the validator?
Can you look for a sticker on the top of the dbv head or elsewhere and tell us what make and model you have in the machine? (If it's not a dbv200, it's most likely a dbv145, but it's never productive to assume anything.)

<ADD> Brianzz, you beat me to the punch while I was typing.

[Mdpokersupply]

I'll try to answer the best I can since I'm new
1. The validator was working correctly prior to the 61 error and set chip (from what I'm told-this is a customers machine)
2. This is an older machine and could not clear the 61 error any other way (we tried all the normal ways to clear the error)
3. I'll see if I can get the SP tonight off the game (I assume that will be printed on the game chip?)
4. I didn't touch any of the dipswitchs, but I'm going to ask my customer if he touched any trying to make it work.
5. I'm almost 100 positive it's a DBV-145, but I'll find out for sure tonight and post back my findings.

Also, can you explain this phrase a little more to me "you may be bumping your validator credit limit" I'm a newbie to the terminology...:-)

Thanks for the quick responses!

[stayouttadabunker]

Look around in the "Rick's FAQ Files" to see to to get your chip numbers....
There's a lotta stuff in that FAQ's that'll help ya!
When you get the numbers, post back to us and we'll help you!

[Mdpokersupply]

Can you direct me to the "Rick's FAQ Files" thread?

[stayouttadabunker]

It's right on top here on the page here on the right hand side under the vendors' listings ^^^^^>>>

                                                                                             Scroll up^^

I copied the link here>>
http://www.newlifegames.net/faq1/

This website does have a lotta stuff that people miss completely...lol

[Mdpokersupply]

duuuhhhh, thanks..I must be going blind...lol

[Brianzz]

Also, can you explain this phrase a little more to me "you may be bumping your validator credit limit" I'm a newbie to the terminology...:-)

This setting is option 7  5 on most chips

Bill Acceptor Credit Limit <7> [5]
Determines the maximum number of credits that can be
accumulated before the bill acceptor is disabled. This limit
must be less than or equal to the credit limit, or a maximumi of
$3,000.

[Mdpokersupply]

Also, can you explain this phrase a little more to me "you may be bumping your validator credit limit" I'm a newbie to the terminology...:-)

This setting is option 7  5 on most chips

Bill Acceptor Credit Limit <7> [5]
Determines the maximum number of credits that can be
accumulated before the bill acceptor is disabled. This limit
must be less than or equal to the credit limit, or a maximumi of
$3,000.

Thanks for the info, it that setup done with the set chip installed? Or, is there some other way of doing it? It funny that the guy says if he moves the validator to another machine it will take $20's and if he puts it back in that machine it only takes $1's. I thought mainboard had nothing to do with what the bill acceptor will take and only looked for a specific signal from the validator to know how many credits to put up. Am I wrong in assuming that?
Steve

[jay]

There is also two types of IGT games. Some are type 23 and others are 24....(maybe thats 22/23 can't remember exactly).
Anyways there are some dip switch settings on the side of the validator that change the "ID" from one to the other.
One of the symptoms of having the wrong type is ONLY the acceptance of $1's

[Mdpokersupply]

I know for a fact that the one machine that won't read anything but a $1 is using the SP772 chipset with checksum F6D4 (printed on the chip).

[uniman]

Shouldn't this be a problem with the DBV-145 chip version?
The newer bills don't work on most DBV-145 chips.
Find an older $5, $10, or $20 bill and try it.

[Mdpokersupply]

Yea, we've tried older and still not working correctly. I'm going to go back on Monday and play around a little more with the machines. I'm hoping to get his one back up completely and tackle this one that is now only accepting $1, when before it took the older 5,10, and 20's.
Steve

[jay]

On a 1271 the PSR reads.......
FEATURES AND CAPABILITIES
Bill Acceptor   Uses ID-023.  Acceptable bill denominations are $1, $5, $10, $20, $50, and $100.  If the bill pay mode selection is disabled, all inserted bills are paid from the hopper, regardless of the game credit type.  If the bill pay mode selection is enabled, the operator can specify in self test how inserted bills are paid.  Use the set chip to enable/disable the bill pay mode selection.


The PSR for the 772 does not include any ID-0?? info.

Try changing the type on the bill validator. You have nothing to lose.

[Mdpokersupply]

Thanks, where can I find information on the chipset (772) that's in the machine? Is there some database that I can access to find out the information like you did?

On a 1271 the PSR reads.......
FEATURES AND CAPABILITIES
Bill Acceptor   Uses ID-023.  Acceptable bill denominations are $1, $5, $10, $20, $50, and $100.  If the bill pay mode selection is disabled, all inserted bills are paid from the hopper, regardless of the game credit type.  If the bill pay mode selection is enabled, the operator can specify in self test how inserted bills are paid.  Use the set chip to enable/disable the bill pay mode selection.


The PSR for the 772 does not include any ID-0?? info.

Try changing the type on the bill validator. You have nothing to lose.

[stayouttadabunker]

Check your email Mdpoker!
There's a little present for ya!

[Mdpokersupply]

thanks!!

[CommTech]

It funny that the guy says if he moves the validator to another machine it will take $20's and if he puts it back in that machine it only takes $1's. I thought mainboard had nothing to do with what the bill acceptor will take and only looked for a specific signal from the validator to know how many credits to put up. Am I wrong in assuming that?
Steve

I Believe you are correct with the assumption that the Main board has nothing to due with what types of bills the validator will accept.
You should verify what the customer said about the same validator taking 20's in another machine. Be sure and use the same bill when testing the validator in each machine.
I would also try cleaning the optics on the validator head.

[Mdpokersupply]

It funny that the guy says if he moves the validator to another machine it will take $20's and if he puts it back in that machine it only takes $1's. I thought mainboard had nothing to do with what the bill acceptor will take and only looked for a specific signal from the validator to know how many credits to put up. Am I wrong in assuming that?
Steve

I went back and worked with the machines for about an hour and got all three machines back up and all but one now takes the $20. I'm ordering a new DBV-200 head for that machine and keeping that old head one as a spare. I believe that will take care of the problem when I install the new head (and powersupply).


I Believe you are correct with the assumption that the Main board has nothing to due with what types of bills the validator will accept.
You should verify what the customer said about the same validator taking 20's in another machine. Be sure and use the same bill when testing the validator in each machine.
I would also try cleaning the optics on the validator head.

[Mdpokersupply]

Well, the machine was up and running...taking 1,5,10 and 20's. Now all of a sudden (after a week of working fine) it locks up and starts adding credits up on the credit window and you can't stop it. I've tried unplugging it, reseating board....still acts up. I went to use the clear chip in it to see if that would allow me to do anything and now it's not responding at all. It will get to the first part of the clear chip process, but when I go to hit the test switch and bring it to 61-1 it does nothing. Does this sound like a bad mainboard or something? These machines can't possibly be this hard to work on and it has to be because I'm just green with these types of machines (not electornics-16yrs as a electronic tech), so...am I crazy?? lol..any help is appreciated.

[jstraa]

I think it is a mainboard or eprom issue. Do you have a spare board?

[stayouttadabunker]

Are you saying you cannot get past 61-1?

Could be a mis-aligned cabinet-side door optic receiver?

[Mdpokersupply]

Are you saying you cannot get past 61-1?

Could be a mis-aligned cabinet-side door optic receiver?

Yes, that's correct...it there a way to bypass the optic? Just jumper the wire for the optics maybe? I don't have any spares, but I'm looking for a S+ mainboard to buy for one.

[brichter]

No such thing as bypassing the optics, it's an IR LED and an IR phototransistor like these:
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2049723

The output of the emitter is pulsed and the receiver needs to see those synced pulses in order for the machine to see the door closed.

the good news is you can use those parts to replace bad door optics, and I have built an extended harness using these so I can operate the machine with the door open for testing purposes. I use heat shrink tubing to hole the emitter and phototransistor in alignment.