Need info on converting Hopper

[grumpy]

Would like to convert the hopper on my IGT S $.25 hopper to use tokens.Will i have to change anything ? It seems some of my friends are leaving my home with free samples. Tokens would be a lot cheaper. Thanks

[Ron (r273)]

Would like to convert the hopper on my IGT S $.25 hopper to use tokens.Will i have to change anything ? It seems some of my friends are leaving my home with free samples. Tokens would be a lot cheaper. Thanks

Just change the quarter out to one of the  quarter size tokens you will be using, into the comparator.

Ron

[jay]

There is a simple solution to this.
Make them play with their own money. They keep what they win.
House will slowly recover the losses.

I run with tokens..... no change necessary other than the sample coin provided you are on uprights.
Slant tops do have issues with the elevators.

[zarobhr]

yep as long as its a .984 token or close to it, just converted 5 machines yesterday.

now on the other hand what is need to convert a 25 cent hopper to a 5 cent hopper and do i need to change the comparator (have 16e

[jay]

No only if you go bigger.

You use a CC-16 for small coins and a CC-33 for larger.
The interesting thing about a CC-33 is that its installed upside down and backwards to that of a CC-16.

For the nickle technicaly you should be changing the coin head (outside metal thing) Some are narrow and would not allow a thicker nickle to pass.
The optics also have spacers available to make them thicker and narrower so the nickle is sure to pass in front of the optics. and not slightly off to the side.
and of course the hopper wheel is different and you might need to adust the optics slightly but that is the purpose of the wheel - to hold the coin higher.

[stayouttadabunker]

I'd like to add that if when after you obtain all the parts needed to do this,
You might have to change the denomination in the SP option settings from a quarter to a nickel as well.

When you're done completely converting these machines to a nickel,
you can sell me all the 25cent denom parts collecting dust in a box you won't be needing anymore...

[zarobhr]

yeah that machine is already set up for 5 cent game wise, just need the hopper parts  and what ever offsets on optics

I have plenty of 25 cent parts what are you looking for.

[lemans1969]

Keep in mind when you are changing the hopper over to a nickel to make sure your pinwheel on the underside of the shelf wheel needs to have the horizontal notches on it. If the hopper at one time was a dollar hopper and you have the single round notches on the pinwheel, when you put your nickel shelf wheel on and adjust your knife, the nickels will jam up and usually break your knife because there is not enough room between the round notches and shelf wheel.

[grumpy]

I started this whole thing asking for some help with converting my machine to tokens.It has been changed all around to changing
to nickles. I wish people would read post before adding there 2 cent worth. Thanks for the help anyway.

[stormrider]

I started this whole thing asking for some help with converting my machine to tokens.It has been changed all around to changing
to nickles. I wish people would read post before adding there 2 cent worth. Thanks for the help anyway.

Wow,

Well you had the simple answer change the quarter that slides into the coin comparator
and place a quartar size token in its place thats it, or maybe find some new friends

[lemans1969]

I started this whole thing asking for some help with converting my machine to tokens.It has been changed all around to changing
to nickles. I wish people would read post before adding there 2 cent worth. Thanks for the help anyway.

Wow that was pretty rude. I will make sure not to put my "2 cents" in anymore.

[jay]

 I initally mentioned the nickles as to offer up a better understanding of the entire coin path and issues. This site is about information sharing.
My personal view on life "Knowldge has no value if not shared" This site also prides itself on not "Flaming" people under the ospis that there are no dumb questions only lack of available knowlege. On some forums you ask a question and someone would bark that you should do a search first, or that was answered in obscure post #4 about 56years ago why didn't you look there.... You were not treated poorly and we would appreciate the same respect back.
GRUMPY is definately the right handle.

[zarobhr]

oh I thought I asked about Nickels first. sry, i assumed that since it was about changing something to do with coins in and or out, that it would be ok, to post in the same thread.

I initally mentioned the nickles as to offer up a better understanding of the entire coin path and issues. This site is about information sharing.
My personal view on life "Knowldge has no value if not shared" This site also prides itself on not "Flaming" people under the ospis that there are no dumb questions only lack of available knowlege. On some forums you ask a question and someone would bark that you should do a search first, or that was answered in obscure post #4 about 56years ago why didn't you look there.... You were not treated poorly and we would appreciate the same respect back.
GRUMPY is definately the right handle.

[Jim]

Grumpy    actually all the responses to you and the nickel  deal apply.  on older S+ machines the coin head was made to take only American quarters. Our quarters are .950 round , the opening was just a hair oversized to that, to thwart counterfeiting, so if you had that type head on your machine it would have to be enlarged or changed to accept a .984 token.if the opening has to be enlarged, that can be accomplished by taping 2 hacksaw blades together and running them on both sides of the opening. that's why when people bought machines ,there were scratch marks on the chrome from the blades hitting it, this was also used to enlarge nickel coin heads to accept quarters. 

undersized tokens will also work .900 . the only thing to watch out for when buying tokens is to get the right size, and make sure they are all of the same metallic content. I have seen people buy a bag of 1000 tokens off the web and there would be 1000 .984 tokens in the bag but four different images and of different metallic content. the reason for all being the same metallic content,the sample you put in your comparator is the only type it will accept.

the only adjustment you might have to make is the coin kicker, it only lets one coin at a time to be presented to the coin knife to be counted. if the tokens are  thinner then two could pass and cause a jam or overcount and go in to a tilt mode.

 Jim                           




 

 

[grumpy]

Thank you very much for this answer it is just what i was looking for.

[StatFreak]

There is also a sensitivity adjustment screw on the face of the CC16 Coin Comparitor. Turining it counter-clockwise reduces sensitivity and increases acceptance. Adjusting this completely counter-clockwise (to the lowest sensitivity) can help reduce the rejection of some tokens, but it won't be enough to allow tokens of completely different alloys to work.

Another more complex solution would be to get an X10 programmable comparator which can be trained to accept several different coins. You would then program it for each of the different types of tokens that you had. However, it would be much simpler to find a reputable seller and buy a lot of token that are all alike, as installing and programming the X10 has its own set of problems.