65-4 error code ?

[nilgaming]

Hi all,

I am trying to change the coin denomination on an IGT S+ Triple Diamond 9 lines to set 1 coin = 9 credits (tired of inserting all these coins !).

I use set chip SP087.
Credit on the machine is 0.
I exchange the game prom with the SP087.
power up the machine.
here is what i see :

winner paid : 65 4
credits screen : 0087

to be complete here are the chips usually in my machine :
game SP1003 TYPE 0/1/4/5
09/14/98(1-512) GRC

REEL (120NS)
MECH SS7105
10/23/96(1-64) GRC

Any idea anyone ?

thanks a lot !

Jay

[jay]

What you want is called tokenization.....

You need a game chip that supports this feature........I don't believe you use a set chip.

The set chip = how many credits you get for a buck.
So if you are normally running this as a 25c machine $1 = 4credits you really want $1=36... and that doesn't quite fall into any currency scheme that I am familar with.
You might want to consider changing it to a penny machine $1 = 100credits you would then tokenize that 1 quarter = 25credits or the equivelent to a nickle.....
$1=20, quarrter = 5

I have not done this to mine but I am sure others will jump in here.

Jay (the real one).... 

[jay]

The 65 4 means that set chip is not compatiable with your game chip.

I use a set 90 to enable some progressive features --- it works with a chip like a 1271, but older chips like a 731 give the 65 4 error.

[nilgaming]

oh ok, so i need to change my old 731 for a new 1271. any idea where to find that ?
thanks a lot !

Jay (the other one)

[CaptainHappy]

Jay (the real one).... 

Jay,

And I thought that your  famous outside voice finally got an alter ego and was having a conversation with itself!!!! 

CaptainHappy (The Reel Deal!)
 

[nilgaming]

Hi Captain,

any idea where to find a 1271 ?

Thx !

Jay (the other one)

[jay]

I would try BlueRidge, Leemans Slot sales - any of these guys could get you one quick
Links are off the top of the page.
I checked your profile and it doesn't indicate where you are.
If you update and/or post your location we can perhaps recommend someone close or perhaps there is a member close by that might offer a hand.

[CaptainHappy]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ What "Jay" said!

CaptainHappy

[nilgaming]

Hi Jay,

I pointed on the member's map that i was located in belgium some time ago now.

I'll contact these guys if i cannot find it anywhere else (eBay, ...).

thanks a lot !

Jay

[rickhunter]

The 1271 will not let you do tokenization.  You need one that supports euro-style credits and a corresponding set chip to set the token value.  The current max token value is 99 credits per coin.  A SET86 and an SP1137 will allow you to do what you want.

This is while using the set chip to set token value and DBV enable/Disable
Token Value
Selection <0> [15]   Tokens can be set to a value between 2 and 99 credits.  Credits window = token value.  Press the Spin Reels button to step through token values.  Turn the jackpot reset key to select a value.
Bill Acceptor Enable/
Disable <0> [17]   Options are enabled {1} or disabled {0}.
Denomination Selection/
Display <6>   Determines the game denomination.  The Credits window displays the current denomination, in cents.  The Winner Paid window displays denominations larger than 50.00.

And this is the setting in the SP chip, you want to choose "Token Credit {7}"

Credit Type
Selection <0> [5]   The credit type can not be changed if credits are accumulated or if the tournament option is enabled.  Options are Standard Euro credit {1}, Euro noncredit {2}, Nevada-style credit {3}, Nevada-style noncredit {4}, Lottery-style credit {5}, Semi-Euro credit {6}, Token credit {7}, or Semi-Euro credit II {8}.

[jay]

Rick,

Great info - so 9 credits for a coin is do, able. Learn something new here everyday.

When you use your DBV can you then set that for a unique amount ?
Just in keeping with the 9 for a quarter concept - could you then do 36 for a buck ?

[knagl]

I *think* the token value only applies to coins, but I've never used the tokenization feature along with a bill validator.

I "tokenized" one game that I sold which didn't have a bill validator on it.  I made it a "penny" machine by using the 1137 and setting it for 25 credits per coin.  It had a quarter hopper and a quarter in the comparator, so when you dropped in a quarter you'd get 25 credits.  If you cashed out 50 credits, it would spit out two coins.

[rickhunter]

The DBV continues to work as per it's denomination.  If you cash out, however, each coin would be worth 9 x whatever the denom you set is.  So if you set it for quarters, and you cash out, it will dispense 1 coin per every 9 credits.

[CaptainHappy]

The DBV continues to work as per it's denomination.  If you cash out, however, each coin would be worth 9 x whatever the denom you set is.  So if you set it for quarters, and you cash out, it will dispense 1 coin per every 9 credits.

What about extra credits above # divisible by nine? Lets say you cash out 85 credits, do you get 9 coins and still have 4 credits left on the machine? Just curious if that is the case, or if you get some sort of error?

CaptainHappy

[rickhunter]

I haven't tried that, but on most tokenized games, partial credits are handpays.

[CaptainHappy]

I haven't tried that, but on most tokenized games, partial credits are handpays.

Thanks Rick, that seems to make sense! 

CaptainHappy

[StatFreak]

They show up on the books as "soft credit collect"s.

[Brianzz]

On my tokenized game the partial credits remained on the machine

I was set to 90 credits per coin, so if I cashed out 100 I'd get 1 token and 10 credits stayed on the machine for play

[StatFreak]

On my tokenized game the partial credits remained on the machine

I was set to 90 credits per coin, so if I cashed out 100 I'd get 1 token and 10 credits stayed on the machine for play

Did you ever try pressing cash out again after the first payout?

Here is an excerpt from SP1008:

Credit Mode
The credit limit for Standard Euro credit, Semi-Euro credit, Euro noncredit, and Lottery-style credit is selectable in the self test mode.  The credit limit for Nevada-style credit automatically matches the hopper limit, which can be set by DIP switch or in the self test mode.  No credit limit is associated with Nevada noncredit.  The credit limit for Token credit is fixed at 9,999.  When using the Token credit type, a hand-pay condition occurs if the amount of credits on the credit meter at the time of the cash out is not a multiple of the token value.

[Brianzz]

I had an SP1137.... never tried the cashout button again

[CaptainHappy]

The DBV continues to work as per it's denomination.  If you cash out, however, each coin would be worth 9 x whatever the denom you set is.  So if you set it for quarters, and you cash out, it will dispense 1 coin per every 9 credits.

What about extra credits above # divisible by nine? Lets say you cash out 85 credits, do you get 9 coins and still have 4 credits left on the machine? Just curious if that is the case, or if you get some sort of error?

CaptainHappy

I love when I open a can of worms!!! 

Thanks everyone for all of the answers... educational purposes for all! 

CaptainHappy

[nilgaming]

thank you very much Rick for this very interesting info !

Now i need to get a hand on a SP1137 and a SET086.
Any other then SET086 can do it ?
I have a SET087 and a SET090, none of those can do it ?

thanks again !

Jay

[Brianzz]

I used something other than the SET086, I'll have to check my closet when I get home to see if I still have the set chip

[nilgaming]

Thanks a lot Brian,

Jay

[Brianzz]

Ok I checked in the closet in the magic box full of stuff that I'll never use again but keep around just in case, and it was a SET086. If I remember correctly I think I got the SP and SET chip from Blueridge. If he doesn't have them I'm sure someone will pop up that does. I actually have the SET and SP chips on hand but I sold the SP chip on ebay the other day, if the douchebag doesn't pay in the next week or two you can have them both.