Bally S6000 noisy reel

[daddy2yea]

Hi, I have a bally Bonus Frenzy with a noisy 4th reel, sometimes its the 3rd reel sometimes its both, but most of the time it the 4th reel. I did run the reel motor without the reel strip and it makes the same noise but much quieter.  I read the posts on how to quiet the reels, but most of the posts were about reel baskets on IGT machines and the reel basket on bally s600 is different.  Also I notice the reel strip is not tucked under the lip of the basket all away around on one side. A section about the width of your finger.  If I try to tuck it under the lip it just comes untucked somewere else. Anybody familiar with noisy reels on Bally S600 machines please help me troubleshoot this problem. Thanks,
Mike From VA

[stayouttadabunker]

Post a good high resolution photo of the S6000 basket
and we'll see if we can come up with a decent solution!

Wanna sell me your machine?...

[daddy2yea]

Ok I added some pics of the reel and the high spot on the reel strip.

[stayouttadabunker]

It's amazing how those look like Bally reels...
oh...they are...
OK! You need to pull the strip out from the end but don't take it all out.
If it all comes off, don't worry,
I have posted a picture of the little nub on the basket where the strip notch begins...
Simply squeeze slightly on the edges of the strip so the strip con-caves
and slips back under the lip of the baskets like this picture.>>>

[stayouttadabunker]

Here's a couple of pictures of me squeezing the strip so they get in there under the basket lip>>>

[stayouttadabunker]

What It should look like when done!
Thesecond picture is me turning the reel basket with my finger
and checking the lip edges to make sure that the strip is in there properly!>>>

[stayouttadabunker]

Try it like that...if it's still noisy,
Then remove the strip again,
pull the C ring off the shaft,
stick some vinyl electrical tape over the basket hole,
punch a few holes in the tape,
slide the reel back onto the shaft through the tape,
re-install the C clip/ring, strip
and see if its still noisy!

[daddy2yea]

OK it quieter now I did all 4 reels cause all of them had a high spot.  Makes me think how does this happen.  Are the strips put on this way from the factory or do they loosen up over time. I guess in a casino you wouldn't notice because of all of the noise around you.  Also I separated the reel baskets and where it didn't snap together good I put a piece of black tape to tighten it up.  Anyway  Thankyou  Stayouttadubunker   
Mike in VA

[stayouttadabunker]

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[daddy2yea]

OK my reel didn't stay quite for long.  I have a noisy reel but it not the reel strip or the basket or the motor.   What you say.  Let me tell you what I have found. Its the 4th reel that making the noise, but if I swap reels, whatever reel is in the #4 spot is the noisy reel. So whatever reel is plugged into the #4 connector is noisy. It seem like the #4 reel is not getting the same Volts, amps, signal, love or something as the other 3 reels. So I need help 
Thanks, Mike

[stayouttadabunker]

We need a Bally 6000 expert man by the name of a69mopar!
Give him a call...or an email..or a PM...or wait for him to answer...LOL
meanwhile, what you can do in the meantime is:

Check dat harness out with you eyeballs real, real close up...
or use a multimeter, pull the harness out, check both ends of each wire for continuity...
or look for some pin inside the molex and see if it's kinda "squashed"/"squished"/ "slightly flattened out".
Somethings not connected like it should be.
Could be dirty pins or receptors, a bad ground wire or heaven's no...the wrong harness altogether?
Can you recall how the 4th reel "started" getting noisy?
Pull the harness in and out, re-connect it and see if it works better....sometimes it's just a bad "seating".

(You need to get better tickets... I know - corny joke)

[a69mopar]

I'm at my cottage on dial up so will get into this when I return. This is Thanksgiving weekend in Canada.   In the meantime, unplug the reel harness from the backplane board and plug it back in 3 or 4 times.

Thanks,
Wayne

[Buzz]

Mark   I'm wondering if a dab of Silicone gasket maker on the staft might not work better than black tape.

[stayouttadabunker]

It might be a good idea Buzz, I cannot really say...I just never thought of it or tried it.
However, I think his problem is the harness or something else
because any reel he puts in the fourth rightmost position on his reel tray - makes noise.

[CaptainHappy]

I just had a thought on this.... I was wondering if the problem is not the reel or the harness possibly.... Maybe it is where it is connected in the reel tray??? Maybe something is loose in the 4th position??? One experiment could be to swap the position for the 3rd and 4th reel harnesses and see if the noise of the 4th reel then goes to the physical position of the 3rd reel or not. If it does you would then definately suspect the harness, if it stays in the area of the 4th reel you would suspect the reel tray possibly? I have not looked into one of those machines for so long, so my theory could be total crap depending on how the reels mount to the tray and harness... Just wanted to pass the thought on!

CaptainHappy

[Buzz]

  The 2  S6000 I have the reels don't set on a tray. The front of them are held onto a sq, tube with one metal screw, and the rear just hangs out in the air. Could check and see if the tube has a broken weld.

[daddy2yea]

I had done what CaptainHappy said and the noise does move to the 3rd reel.

[stayouttadabunker]

"noise moved to 3rd reel"...now I'm really leaning towards a bad harness...
Check the pins ( Male ends ) to see if one of them is squashed...
check the receptor pins ( the female ends ) to see if they're grabbing okay.
I stick a wire in each receptor (the same size as the pins) to see if they "grab" the same for all the receptors.

Continuity is intermittent or broken somewhere along the harness or where it connects to the motherboard.
If you have a spare harness, swap it...
If you have a spare motherboard, swap that too.
Spare parts are necessity for simple swapping to keep these machines going...
Swapping is easy to do...that's what you did when you swapped the reel connectors between 3 & 4...

[stayouttadabunker]

The hard part is this:
If indeed the 4th reel harness is okay then the problem goes further back...

I need to ask first though...
did the 4th reel spin quietly when the 3rd harness connector was plugged into the 4th reel?
That would rule out the reels themselves as the noise source.

[a69mopar]

Did you try disconnecting and reconnecting the reel harness from/to the backplane connector several times yet?

W (on the road home)

[a69mopar]

Okay, I'm home where I can type better.  First off, I guess I should ask how nousy it is.  Bally reels in the narrow position (they have wide and narrow pins for three reel or four reel respectively) tend to be a little noisy.

   Mark (bunker) had a few good suggestions as far as making the reels themselves quiet, another one would be to put a small piece of black tape on each of the reel basket pins that the reel strip wraps around, this would insulate the vibration so the strip wouldn't amplify it. Someone probably mentioned that you could remove the basket from the stepper motor and put 1 small drop of sewing machine oil(3 in 1 oil would likely do) on the shaft of the stepper motor (basket side), turn the shaft a few times then reassemble.

  If unplugging and reconnecting the reel harness from the backplane doesn't help, the last thing I would do is switch the U11 and U12 chip to see if it makes a change.  The U11 drives reels 1, 2 , and 3, the U12 drives reel 4.  Be careful with static, and don't break the legs off of the chips.   I use bent screwdrivers as chip removal tools, small screwdrivers that is. Also , check the pins in the main board connector, where it plugs into the backplane to ensure the pins are straight.

I'm going to throw a little positive karma around to those working on this problem.

Thanks,
Wayne

[daddy2yea]

First to answer stayouttadabunker  question. The 4th reel did spin quietly when the 3rd harness connector was plugged into the 4th reel.
For a69mopar I have unpluged and reconnected the reel harness from the backplane, but I haven't done it  multiple times yet. Also If I switch the U11 and U12 chip do I have to do a safe ram clear?  Thanks  Mike

[stayouttadabunker]

You're doing good on the trouble shooting daddy,
You gotta follow mopar's instructions from here on in because now
you're past the the harness and into the board and U11 chip.

[a69mopar]

No a saferam clear should not be required, but be careful not to short the pins upon removal.

w

[daddy2yea]

OK I switched the U11 & U12 chip, but no change.  Do I need to switch them back or are they the same? I looked at all the pins and all looks good. unplugged and replugged from the backplane again still no change.  I guess I need to break out the ohm meter and measure the Resistance of the wires from the plug end that's goes into the backplane to the plug end that goes into the 4Th reel, but what setting should I use 1k, 10k, 100k, 1000k  and what will I be looking for.  When you say put a small piece of black tape on each of the reel basket pins. What pins are you talking about? The ones that the edge of the reel strip sits on? Also let me say to dabunker you were the first to respond to my post  provided pics to go by and led me to a69mopar I thank you for that.  For a69mopar thanks for all your help, and I must say I like that car of yours. CaptianHappy all theory's are good and welcome Thank you too.  You would think I just won an Academy award     Anyway I look forward to my next steps.   Thanks to all  Mike