Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup...

[stayouttadabunker]

1x1 means there's only one display panel...
1x2 means there's two panels in a row...
1x3 means there's three panels in a row...etc.
But, a 2x3 means there's three panels in a row and stacked two panels high.
(For a total of 6 display panels.)
The sticker on the eprom is telling you how
many panels you should have for the board.(Yes, it's the software)
Attaching 1 single panel to a board that has a 1x3 software eprom will look funny...
You'll only display a third of whatever you program to the board.

For example:
[ONE PANEL]     [2nd PANEL]    [3rd PANEL]
     TICO                NDER              OGA!

But, It might work if you use the "scroll" when programming the board?

                    [ONE PANEL]
                  TICONDEROGA!

[brichter]

The length x width is determined by the graphics you send to it. The video I posted is a 1x3 display connected to my 1x2 controller, and I can display 1x3 graphics without issues.

I can also use my 1x2 controller with my 2x3 display and it works fine. I can hook my 2x3 display to my 1x3 display and have a 3x3 display, but I have no graphics files formatted in that size. I also have a 1x3 controller and the amount of storage memory is the same for both.

I think yours is a 1x1 because it only looks like it has a single power cable (the red and black wires) going to it. If you post a pic of the back, I'd be certain what it is.

[knagl]

Can you post a good picture if it and the part number label....

Here's a picture of the board.  The small white label above C14 and U15 says, "SIGMATRON-LV 0498".  The etching on the board above U3 (which is missing its chip) says, "SMART MACHINE INTERFACE VERSION II  Rev. A" and "#321-024-10".


(Click for bigger.)

(A quick Google of Sigmatron found the following: "SigmaTron International, Inc. (NASDAQ:SGMA) announced it completed the sale of its Las Vegas, Nevada operation on June 3, 2005 to Grand Products Nevada, Inc., a wholly-owned subsidiary of Grand Products, Inc. The facility is a complete EMS center specializing in the assembly of electronic products and cables for a broad range of customers primarily in the gaming industry.")  Also, see http://www.grandproductsinc.com/ .

If you post a pic of the back, I'd be certain what it is.

Here you go:


(Click for bigger -- only one power plug port.)

Do you know of any 1x1 graphics floating around?

[brichter]

Unfortunately, no. 1x2 is the smallest I've seen.

[CaptainHappy]

Can you post a good picture if it and the part number label....

Here's a picture of the board.  The small white label above C14 and U15 says, "SIGMATRON-LV 0498".  The etching on the board above U3 (which is missing its chip) says, "SMART MACHINE INTERFACE VERSION II  Rev. A" and "#321-024-10".


(Click for bigger.)

(A quick Google of Sigmatron found the following: "SigmaTron International, Inc. (NASDAQ:SGMA) announced it completed the sale of its Las Vegas, Nevada operation on June 3, 2005 to Grand Products Nevada, Inc., a wholly-owned subsidiary of Grand Products, Inc. The facility is a complete EMS center specializing in the assembly of electronic products and cables for a broad range of customers primarily in the gaming industry.")  Also, see http://www.grandproductsinc.com/ .

If you post a pic of the back, I'd be certain what it is.

Here you go:


(Click for bigger -- only one power plug port.)

Do you know of any 1x1 graphics floating around?

Ok, the small board that you posted is a SIB or Slot Machine Interface Board or System Interface Board or Slot Interface Board. (I have heard all different meanings for SIB, but it is a Mikohn Part.) I have looked at and discussed these before on the old site a long time ago, but cannot remember any details??? Basically these are a communication device used in Superlink systems and others. Some do SIB to SAS stuff, etc. It will take an expert to know exactly what the functions are and how to hook it all up. It is more for the casino environment linking bunches of machines together with the casino sytems and progressive.

 

CH

[CaptainHappy]

OK HERE IS THE TRUE ANSWER TO WHAT SIB STANDS FOR!!! I was close on the acronym, and not to bad on the function. Used for Mystery Jacpots and the like.

SIB: Smart Interface Board. A MIKOHN-proprietary computer board that converts protocol between gaming machines and controllers.

CH

Info from Marathon DCU Controller Doc.

[stayouttadabunker]

I'd straighten up that bent over chip and take a real good look at the red 47 cap.
Looks like smoke escaping from that area.
The blue, round thing might be another cap or a soldered -in battery which is starting to look a little burned.
If those components deteriorate any more, you'll have problems and
you'll be thinking...hmm,...what am I doing wrong?
Preventative measures should be taken before they destroy the board.
Those components may not be too hard to identify and
replace if you can get your hands on a schematics of the board.

[knagl]

Unless I'm mistaken, I don't need that board at all so the smoke can escape from it all it wants.    

Seeing that it was used in a casino environment for linked mystery jackpots (the whole "MoneyTime" progressive stuff), it shouldn't have any bearing on being able to use the Supreme as a display driver.


Thanks and K+ to  for the info and e-mails.

[edski]

Was the SIB connected to the Supreme in any way?

Ed

[SAT (aka GANDHI)]

I'd straighten up that bent over chip and take a real good look at the red 47 cap.
Looks like smoke escaping from that area.
The blue, round thing might be another cap or a soldered -in battery which is starting to look a little burned.
If those components deteriorate any more, you'll have problems and
you'll be thinking...hmm,...what am I doing wrong?
Preventative measures should be taken before they destroy the board.
Those components may not be too hard to identify and
replace if you can get your hands on a schematics of the board.

It's indeed a board that serves as interface between Mikohn DCU controller and slot machines.  We use it for Aristocrat Hyperlink Mystery Jackpot systems.  It converts the propietary SERIAL protocol used by the machine to the one used by Mikohn (I believe it's RS-485) and backwards.

This board isn't needed for stand alone display installations (you guesses were right!!!!)

The bent IC is a 5V fixed regulator that usually gets really (really!!!) HOT!, so it's normal to see smoke signs around.

DIP switches 1-5 are meant to give a unique ID to the slot machine, 6-8 are used when machines are multidenomination.

Four status leds:  the outter pair are comunication with the Mikohn controller, the inner pair are comunication with slot machine.

Regards

[knagl]

Was the SIB connected to the Supreme in any way?

Not directly, no.  There were two wires that went from either the "DOWNLOAD" or "CONTROLLER" pins on the Supreme into the same wiring harness that also had wires going to/from the SIB, but based on the colors of the wires in the harness, there was no direct connection.  There is a power link from the Supreme's power supply to the little black power jack on the SIB.

This board isn't needed for stand alone display installations (you guesses were right!!!!)

SAT: Thank you for the info!

[brichter]

It's indeed a board that serves as interface between Mikohn DCU controller and slot machines.  We use it for Aristocrat Hyperlink Mystery Jackpot systems.  It converts the propietary SERIAL protocol used by the machine to the one used by Mikohn (I believe it's RS-485) and backwards.

Regards

SMIB, huh?

Didn't Mikohn used to call a device with that functionality a gateway?   

[CaptainHappy]

It's indeed a board that serves as interface between Mikohn DCU controller and slot machines.  We use it for Aristocrat Hyperlink Mystery Jackpot systems.  It converts the propietary SERIAL protocol used by the machine to the one used by Mikohn (I believe it's RS-485) and backwards.

Regards

SMIB, huh?

Didn't Mikohn used to call a device with that functionality a gateway?   

Bill, your SMIB comment made me research some more, and I realize now that there are SIBs and SMIBs and they are different boards!!! I had both things in my head in earlier posts. The picture that knagle posted is a SIB or SMART INTERFACE BOARD, and the SMIB is pictured below and it actually is called the Slot Machine Interface Board like I had originally posted.

I think the functionality is similar, and maybe the SMIB is a newer board???

What is a SMIB??? Here you go:

The Mikohn SMIB is a logic board that allows the Mikohn CasinoLink system to
communicate with different types of slot machines. See page 5 for information about SMIB
interaction with CasinoLink.
Slot machines, produced by different manufacturers such as Aristocrat and IGT, often use
proprietary methods of communication (or protocols). The CasinoLink system has its own
proprietary protocol as well. One SMIB is installed in each machine that is linked to the
CasinoLink system, with cables connecting the machine and the system to the SMIB. As the
interface between the machine and the system, the SMIB receives data from both and
translates the information from the sender’s protocol to the recipient’s protocol, before
passing it on to the recipient.

Regards,

CH

[StatFreak]

You guys! My SIBling's head is SMIBing.
K+ all around for all of the information.

[stayouttadabunker]

SIB's....SMIB'S...well, ain't that a SOB?
I thought they were the same beasts...learn something new everyday...

[brichter]

Bill, your SMIB comment made me research some more, and I realize now that there are SIBs and SMIBs and they are different boards!!! I had both things in my head in earlier posts. The picture that knagle posted is a SIB or SMART INTERFACE BOARD, and the SMIB is pictured below and it actually is called the Slot Machine Interface Board like I had originally posted.

I think the functionality is similar, and maybe the SMIB is a newer board???

What is a SMIB??? Here you go:

The Mikohn SMIB is a logic board that allows the Mikohn CasinoLink system to
communicate with different types of slot machines. See page 5 for information about SMIB
interaction with CasinoLink.
Slot machines, produced by different manufacturers such as Aristocrat and IGT, often use
proprietary methods of communication (or protocols). The CasinoLink system has its own
proprietary protocol as well. One SMIB is installed in each machine that is linked to the
CasinoLink system, with cables connecting the machine and the system to the SMIB. As the
interface between the machine and the system, the SMIB receives data from both and
translates the information from the sender’s protocol to the recipient’s protocol, before
passing it on to the recipient.

Regards,

CH

Ok, here's a technical question for you, since you seem to be the S/M/IB Guru!

Is that daughterboard I see on the SMIB changeable depending on the type of machine you are installing it in, or is it the same for all models and the DIP switches are the configuration for the machine?

[CaptainHappy]

Bill, your SMIB comment made me research some more, and I realize now that there are SIBs and SMIBs and they are different boards!!! I had both things in my head in earlier posts. The picture that knagle posted is a SIB or SMART INTERFACE BOARD, and the SMIB is pictured below and it actually is called the Slot Machine Interface Board like I had originally posted.

I think the functionality is similar, and maybe the SMIB is a newer board???

What is a SMIB??? Here you go:

The Mikohn SMIB is a logic board that allows the Mikohn CasinoLink system to
communicate with different types of slot machines. See page 5 for information about SMIB
interaction with CasinoLink.
Slot machines, produced by different manufacturers such as Aristocrat and IGT, often use
proprietary methods of communication (or protocols). The CasinoLink system has its own
proprietary protocol as well. One SMIB is installed in each machine that is linked to the
CasinoLink system, with cables connecting the machine and the system to the SMIB. As the
interface between the machine and the system, the SMIB receives data from both and
translates the information from the sender’s protocol to the recipient’s protocol, before
passing it on to the recipient.

Regards,

CH

Ok, here's a technical question for you, since you seem to be the S/M/IB Guru!

Is that daughterboard I see on the SMIB changeable depending on the type of machine you are installing it in, or is it the same for all models and the DIP switches are the configuration for the machine?

That is called a Data Points Board, and I am not an expert, I just looked stuff up in the manual.... The page for this is the 29th page of the PDF (TM_SMIB5...) that is soon to be in the File Upload section. You can read the whole thing, and you will be the master expert!!! Gotta get some work done now! 

CH

[knagl]

Okay, I'm starting to make some progress!   

Thanks to a kind foum member who had an unneeded Supreme U3 chip, I now have some life from my display!  The thing boots and goes through what I presume is a normal booting procedure (Disk check, ROM check, etc.) -- it shows a group address (GRADR) of 0 and an address ID (IDADR) of 33.  The next page of boot text shows "JP group = 7" "Link 4, Level 1".  The following screens show it's configured for Graphics, 1 panel wide and 1 panel high (thanks to the HyperTerminal instructions I found here).

MFILE=FILE 5
ODSPEED=50
I think the next one is "Save to=" RAM C??? (I can't read as the text overlaps)

The last thing the display shows, and it sits on this screen forever, is "invalid command -->(TRIGGER)"

When I first put the chip in the Supreme thought it was connected to a display 4 wide and 3 high (or maybe 3 wide 4 high?  I don't remember).  When it was that way, the text didn't overlap on the screen as it does now, but it was cut off as (I assume) it expected to be showing text across multiple screens.

I tried connecting to the sign with the Windows Download program, but the program will not accept a group address of zero (it replies: "Invalid Operation -- Assuming defaults" and changes back to the default group of 255 and ID of 64).  I am using a cable with pins 1 and 5 jumpered on the Mikohn side, and this cable has previously worked with PSP and a ChamII+.

Moving the configuration slider switch on the Supreme board does not appear to do anything.  In reading the manual, that should bring me to menus (like my ChamII+) and it should let me change the group ID number and whatnot.  The manual also says that a valid group ID number is 1 to 255.  Mine is set to zero, for sure.

Is there a way to change the group address to something other than zero so that Windows Download will talk to it?  ...or do I have bigger problems with the whole, "invalid command -->(TRIGGER)" message?

I guess my question is, what should I do next?  Thanks in advance.

[brichter]

Is the battery any good? It's right next to the transistor with the big heat sink on it.

Sounds like you need to get it to the point where you can do a runbirth on it...

[knagl]

Is the battery any good? It's right next to the transistor with the big heat sink on it.

Sounds like you need to get it to the point where you can do a runbirth on it...

I'll test it, but shouldn't I get a low battery "C*" message on it if the battery is low?

I tried the "birth" command from HyperTerminal -- it just seemed to reboot the thing (no change it what it does or displays).  Would disconnecting (unsoldering) the battery and then re-connecting it perhaps help me get it back to a point where I can reset it?

[brichter]

Is the battery any good? It's right next to the transistor with the big heat sink on it.

Sounds like you need to get it to the point where you can do a runbirth on it...

I'll test it, but shouldn't I get a low battery "C*" message on it if the battery is low?

Sure, what C code is that?

Not sure about disconnecting the battery, but if it's low it may cause weird $h1!

The whole (0/33)/(255/64) address thing has me puzzled, can you elaborate? Is it that you can't get the thing into config mode? If so, is it possible the switch at S2 is bad?

[knagl]

Sure, what C code is that?

I was slightly mis-remembering what happened with my ChamII+ when the battery died (discussion here).

Not sure about disconnecting the battery, but if it's low it may cause weird $h1!

The whole (0/33)/(255/64) address thing has me puzzled, can you elaborate? Is it that you can't get the thing into config mode? If so, is it possible the switch at S2 is bad?

When I plug in the power cable, the display goes through its booting sequence.  On the group address screen "GRADR" it shows a value of zero.  On the IDADR screen it shows a value of 33.  According to the manual, the only valid values for a group address are 1-255 (not zero).  Using the download program, if I attempt to use a value of zero the program barks at me.


I cannot get the thing into config mode.  When I move the S2 switch nothing happens.  I suppose it's possible that the switch at S2 is bad.  I'm going to try another Supreme from the batch of machines and see if I get the same results (no response from moving S2).  If I do, I guess the next step is to remove the battery and hopefully let it forget everything it knows.

At this point I'm wondering if some of the other chips on the board are programmed differently for the MoneyTime progressive that these Supremes used to be a part of (in so far as having a seemingly invalid group ID number and nothing happening when I move the configuration switch).  I'll know more later in the week when I get my hands on some of the other Supremes.

Thanks for your continued help, and I'm open to any ideas anyone may have.

Now that I've told it that it's a 1x1, here's what appears on the display after it goes through its boot process:



Reading the error.log file on the board, it is actually saying, "invalid command -->(TRIGGER)"


Apologies for the crummy cellphone video, but here was the boot sequence before I changed it from 4x3:
<a href="http://v4.tinypic.com/player.swf?file=1z4hh02&amp;s=4" target="_blank"><a href="http://v4.tinypic.com/player.swf?file=1z4hh02&amp;s=4" target="_blank">http://v4.tinypic.com/player.swf?file=1z4hh02&amp;s=4</a></a>


...and here is the boot sequence now (1x1).  Notice how some of the text wraps around from the right side back on top of the left side (except for one of the boot screens which takes full advantage of the lower half of the display):
<a href="http://v4.tinypic.com/player.swf?file=308kv14&amp;s=4" target="_blank"><a href="http://v4.tinypic.com/player.swf?file=308kv14&amp;s=4" target="_blank">http://v4.tinypic.com/player.swf?file=308kv14&amp;s=4</a></a>

[Ron (r273)]

This may not help you with your present problem but here are my setting for CHAMII+. I used this to keep
track of my settings since my memory is (       ).

As far as the display I would guess it is in the Display setting menu, under Size. Also might be the MFILE.
These are purely guesses as I am not and expert but a novelist.

Also attached is my Mikohn PSP settings.

Ron

<edit> Removed the attachments because I figured they would end up on fea-bay.
           Anyone else needs a copy PM me.

[stayouttadabunker]

I love your notes r273....
not many people actually do that anymore...
Me, I gotta go scouring through the manual every time I wanna re program it...

[Ron (r273)]

I love your notes r273....
no many people actually do that anymore...
Me, I gotta go scouring through the manual every time I wanna re program it...

I think it may help some noobies since you can change it and save your own settings.
Some of the setting I still don't know what there for. Each time I read the manual I
forget half of what I read.

Ron