Dual Level Progressive Help

[stormrider]

Hello All,

I could use some help getting this Mikohn up and running on a Bally S6000
First off am I right in assuming that a Cham 2 + will support 2 displays with 2 different progressive levels ?
The game I'm working on has first progressive hitting on 3 blazing 7 with 3 coins played
2 level progressive amount wins when all $$$ are hit on 5 coins played.
I'm not sure where to start with this in the psp program setting wise or the Mikohn Buttons on the Board itself
I have setup up a few standalone's before but never 2 displays hoping someone here has and would like to share some tips.

Picture of glass but it now has both meters installed.                      Thanks. Tim

[stayouttadabunker]

Help us a little bit...
We need a closeup, high resolution shot of the backside of the display boards,
your logic board and power supply and wiring.

Believe me, they look very familiar...
need board numbers and a good look at the header connections.
From there we can help ya with the correct logic and display support.
Otherwise, we'll just be making wild, shot-in-the-dark-guesses...

[stormrider]

My crappy camera won't take high res pictures but a little more info
Cham 2 + board info sta 2795 Mikohn V.205 Bally
sticker on cham board reads 341-075-05 CSTLR STND ALONE (BLY) H0102427 (2)

The 2 displays in glass read: cham2 12 cell rev A #321-007-60 both have piggy back board

Really not sure if one cham2 + board supports 2 different level progressives in 1  machine (S6000)
IF it does I need to know what my settings should be in the psp and on the cham2 + buttons that control the displays
hope this helps.

Thanks. Tim

[stormrider]

So far I managed to get both progressive levels to load via the psp
on the displays will see if it increments in the machine now.

[stayouttadabunker]

I noticed you have the board powered up ( the gray cable w/red/black/green and white wires)
But I think the white 6-pin header to the right of that is the
one for the incrementation info from the machine's outputs.
I'll search around and see which pins on that white header
need to be connected to get the machine's data outputs.
I noticed your board has 9 green/red LEDs.
Mine only has 4 green/red LEDs.
So, I am going to learn about your board as well...
BTW mine is a cham2 but it doesn't say "+" and the version of the chip is a V3.1V...
The documentation on all this old stuff is so scarce...
It's a crapshoot trying to figure out even if the power supply, header pin-outs are correct too.
I often have to go searching how others hooked up their's using the NLG searchbox.
There is topics from years ago archived deep within the annuals of NLG somewhere.
It would so much better if we could get step by step documentation of
all these different progressive systems in better order so it would be easier to locate help when needed.
There are 1,753 posts on Mikohns progressives alone...
probably not anywhere else has there been so much discussion on this.
 

[stormrider]

I have gone through the archives allot of good reading for sure
I hooked it up to the S6000 but it wont increment pretty sure it only needs 2 wires for it to work
but I hooked up all 4 being coin in,common,serial tx+,serial tx-
not to mention in the S6000 configuration menu 11d some settings in there to setup
I think my problem is when I sent the info via the psp that is was set to ms08 UNDER JACKPOT PROGRAMMING F8 which is IGT
can't remember what F8 should be set for Bally anyone know ?

Tim

[stayouttadabunker]

In the pocket guide under Machine Serial Settings (Protocol) on page 26
are the F8 key settings from MS19 to MS30.
MS24 is allocated for Bally/5-way in the JP groups of Reg.14.
Bally's older machines such as the E series uses the recommended PSP configuration for machine type of M-00 or M-05.

[stormrider]

In the pocket guide under Machine Serial Settings (Protocol) on page 26
are the F8 key settings from MS19 to MS30.
MS24 is allocated for Bally/5-way in the JP groups of Reg.14.
Bally's older machines such as the E series uses the recommended PSP configuration for machine type of M-00 or M-05.

F8 only goes to MS22 its been so long since I setup a Bally but I don't recall the F8 setting that high for it
I must be missing something in the S6000 11D setup as both displays are working yet no increment
will keep at it and report back.

Thanks. Tim

[stayouttadabunker]

yes, I didn't understand why the pocket guide had settings that high either.
The PSP v.2 program I'm using only goes up to MS22 for the F8 button too.
I'd just keep fooling around with it...that's what I had to do too.
It's very easy to forget all this stuff if you don't play with it constantly.
Just take notes and stick it in the machine by the displays
so you'll have something to fall back on later on.
I never remember to take notes...I need a note to remember to take a note....LOL

[knagl]

I noticed you have the board powered up ( the gray cable w/red/black/green and white wires)

Those should be data (coin pulses from the machine), not power. 

Tim- As an aside, see if your camera has a "macro" setting (sometimes an icon of a flower) -- that'll help it to focus when you're only a couple of inches away from what you're taking a picture of (like the circuit board).

[stayouttadabunker]

knagl,
do you think Tim's ChamII+ supports two separate different level display meters?

[stormrider]

I noticed you have the board powered up ( the gray cable w/red/black/green and white wires)

Those should be data (coin pulses from the machine), not power. 

Tim- As an aside, see if your camera has a "macro" setting (sometimes an icon of a flower) -- that'll help it to focus when you're only a couple of inches away from what you're taking a picture of (like the circuit board).

Knagl, Thanks for the tip, camera is an old Kodak I will check later for the icon
well I do have 2 different levels up on the displays been back and forth between the pc and S6000
trying different settings still can't get it to increment just to many combos of settings.
I guess until I find someone that has this 2 display progressive that can share settings I'm outta luck.

[knagl]

Mark- I *think* the II+ can do two different levels.  It's been about a year since I programmed mine (I need to do it again, too, once I change the battery), but I seem to recall that you could have more than one "jackpot token" that would stand for different jackpot amounts/levels.

Tim- I don't know anything about the Bally communication between the machine and the ChamII+ -- I only know that IGT uses simple coin pulses.  Have you tried M-00 and M-05?

Anyone- Is there a newer (or older?) version of PSP that supports MS-24?

[stormrider]

Finally   Success have both displays incrementing
I will have to go through all my settings in the 6000,psp,and cham 2
and post it I only used 2 wires off the cham 2 board to back (S6000)panel pins 3 and 12 and that
made it increment. Thanks to all who tried to help.

Tim

[stormrider]

Here is a quick shot of both progressives wish I had a vid of it in action
of the # flipping as it increments.
3 Blazing 7's gets bottom award
3 $$$ signs gets top award

[knagl]

 

Nicely done! 

Please do post your settings to help someone in the future.  Congrats again.

[stayouttadabunker]

Details baby!...in great detail!!!!

[Thor777]

Finally  Success have both displays incrementing
I will have to go through all my settings in the 6000,psp,and cham 2
and post it I only used 2 wires off the cham 2 board to back (S6000)panel pins 3 and 14 and that
made it increment. Thanks to all who tried to help.

Tim

Good now you can explaine it all to me so I can set mine up...      See ya at the Casino this Sat?...    apparently a few others are also comming...  We can have our own version of Chicagoland ! 

[stayouttadabunker]

I am seriously thinking of getting up early to go meet you guys...it'll be fun!

[stormrider]

Ok here are my settings I am in no way an expert with these
I just love to tinker and won't quit until it works  

In the Bally S6000 menu 11d

02=5
07=2
78lo=1

psp settings under jackpot programming

F3=many
F4=M08
F5=3 sec
F6=JPO and JP1 to set my values I wanted for progressive amount and increments
F7=$$$
F8=MS00

Cham2 + board with 2 buttons and switch both displays read

Mfile 4
Odspeed I set mine to 10 with flip at 18
Graddr 255
Idadr 64
Mach addr 1
Jplimit NO
Displays 2
Jpgrp 1 and 2 SA for standalone
Size 60 your choice as for the other options on the way you want it to look

Cham2 board At J7 I only used 2 wires being red pin 3 at J7(jp coin in)to pin 12 on S6000 back panel
and black wire pin13 J-7(common) to pin 3 back panel S6000

To power my 2nd display since I only had a power cable for 1 meter
I just tapped off the Mikohn power supply board to get the 5+ volts red wire and black ground  which is where the first display powers from
being the 2 open holes next to red and black wires see page 30 of the Cham2 user manual

I think that's it sorry I tend to scribble things down as I tinker and install
also I'm not good with pictures and vids like others are here which I know helps out much more
just trying to give a starting point for anyone else that might install a 2 level progressive in a S6000

My own thoughts on the Mikohn is you can do so much more with these displays
than a Spectrum but that psp will make you pull your hair out at times.

Thanks to all who gave me cheers

Thor777  I will see you tomorrow at Seneca to tip a few cold ones
maybe chat about ham radio and of course slots.

Tim

[Thor777]

I am seriously thinking of getting up early to go meet you guys...it'll be fun!

Thor777  I will see you tomorrow at Seneca to tip a few cold ones
maybe chat about ham radio and of course slots.

Tim

Why was I under the impression you were only 15 minutes away?    

[stayouttadabunker]

yes,
Even with PSP manual on your lap can drive a person batty...
You learn a lot though how these bloody things work...
My biggest problem at first was getting the bloody screen to stay "fullscreen" or
at least a little bigger so I could see the tiny little letters...LOL

Thanks for taking some notes on how you did it Storm!

[stayouttadabunker]

I am seriously thinking of getting up early to go meet you guys...it'll be fun!

Thor777  I will see you tomorrow at Seneca to tip a few cold ones
maybe chat about ham radio and of course slots.

Tim

Why was I under the impression you were only 15 minutes away?    

haha...you kidding me? You're at the western tip of New York...I'm like way the heck on top closer to Montreal...LOL
I hate it when they say you guys are upstate NY...I don't think they've ever seen a map of New York State...LOL

[brichter]

I am seriously thinking of getting up early to go meet you guys...it'll be fun!

Thor777  I will see you tomorrow at Seneca to tip a few cold ones
maybe chat about ham radio and of course slots.

Tim

Why was I under the impression you were only 15 minutes away?    

Well, if I was to visit where my grandmother used to live, I could come tip a couple cold ones with you. And if I remember, we wouldn't need a fridge this time of year to have those cold ones!

[Thor777]

haha...you kidding me? You're at the western tip of New York...I'm like way the heck on top closer to Montreal...LOL
I hate it when they say you guys are upstate NY...I don't think they've ever seen a map of New York State...LOL

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   You can cook on your grill outside and even leave your washer their as Yuma only gets 2.5 inches of rain PER YEAR!