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swantzilla
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« on: November 26, 2009, 01:02:41 PM »
I have an S2000 DD Deluxe. It has been working fine for over a year in my house. Yesterday it started getting General Reel Tilt errors. I can reset the error with the key but it gets the error again. I noticed the right reel is hitting the plastic on the back of the 25 cent light box. It seems like the right hand side reel is further toward the front than the rest. Is there some sort of adjustment? Also can I get the reels to spin with the door open?
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« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2009, 01:36:13 PM »
Quote from: swantzilla on November 26, 2009, 01:02:41 PM
I have an S2000 DD Deluxe. It has been working fine for over a year in my house. Yesterday it started getting General Reel Tilt errors. I can reset the error with the key but it gets the error again. I noticed the right reel is hitting the plastic on the back of the 25 cent light box. It seems like the right hand side reel is further toward the front than the rest. Is there some sort of adjustment? Also can I get the reels to spin with the door open?

On S-2000 the reels slide out towards you by grasping the bottom with two fingers and pulling out. I use both hands. You may have to wiggle a little to break them loose.

With the machine off open the door and turn it on. When it has booted up, one of the last things it does is spin the reels. You can't turn them off and on.

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« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2009, 02:09:12 PM »
Thanks for the info,
I took the reels out and blew air on the sensors to make sure that they are clean. The machine will occasionally work for a few spins after a key reset but then goes back to the General Reel Tilt, Closure B, Door Open M and slow reel spinning. The reels do not spin on power-up with the door open.
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« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2009, 02:11:14 PM »
After you re-seat the reel,check to make sure everything is tight on the reel glass.  This must be a long reel glass?

To spin the reels you can go to the reel strip test.
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« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2009, 02:34:16 PM »
Maybe your door optics are not completely aligned correctly. Check and make sure all the screws are tight on the door optics and make sure nothing on the reel is hitting the front door any longer. When I have had general reel tilts most of the time it has been from the optic screws being loose and the optics have moved out of place. Just a thought I had It may or may not be your problem. To clear your General reel tilt open the front door and turn the jackpot Key then close the door. Happy Thanksgiving Scratch Head
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« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2009, 02:40:45 PM »
Quote from: swantzilla on November 26, 2009, 02:09:12 PM
Thanks for the info,
I took the reels out and blew air on the sensors to make sure that they are clean. The machine will occasionally work for a few spins after a key reset but then goes back to the General Reel Tilt, Closure B, Door Open M and slow reel spinning. The reels do not spin on power-up with the door open.

In your original post it sounded like the reel rubbing against the coin/credit display was the likely cause of your general reel tilt error.  In this post though it sounds like you have other problems that are causing a general reel tilt error.  If the door is opened (or the machines thinks the door is open) while the reels are spinning you will get the reel tilt error.  Closure b error indicates the machine saw your bill validator door as being opened, and then closed.  Door Open M means it is seeing the main door as being open.  Closure m will be displayed when it's closed.  I'd check the door optics for good alignment, and also pull the MPU board and see if the green nicad battery is corroded.  I've seen the battery corrosion cause damage to the mpu circuits that results in door open m/door open mb errors.  

ETA: Cushmanman beat me to it, but still look at the MPU battery.
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« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2009, 04:59:33 PM »
The green MPU battery has corrosion on it. I checked the voltage and it is .156V. Looks like the battery is bad.
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« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2009, 05:03:42 PM »
I replaced the small button batter with a large 3.6V battery, did a full RAM clear and re-key. Alll is well now. It was mentioned here that sometimes a bad mother board is to blame. Also on mine, there is a metal box that protects the lighted reels module, it was flopping all over the place. So I secured it in the box with electrical tape and now all is well. The board was flopping around in the box and shorting out so that is fixed. Just some ideas for you.
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« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2009, 05:29:48 PM »
I noticed that the green battery is a 3.6V NiMiH battery. Is there a charging circuit for this battery on the mainboard?
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« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2009, 07:16:54 PM »
This battery is only for a circuit that monitors when the main door is opened with power off. It's part of the casino security. If you are a home user and don't care when the door was opened with power off --- remove the nicad battery and throw it away. The machine will work great without this battery. If it is leaking acid this will sooner or later damage your MPU board. Hope this helps.
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« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2009, 09:05:27 PM »
Quote from: idylewild1 on November 26, 2009, 07:16:54 PM
This battery is only for a circuit that monitors when the main door is opened with power off. It's part of the casino security. If you are a home user and don't care when the door was opened with power off --- remove the nicad battery and throw it away. The machine will work great without this battery. If it is leaking acid this will sooner or later damage your MPU board. Hope this helps.


 Agree with Post  After you've removed the battery inspect the traces under it, and the surrounding components for corrosion damage.
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« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2009, 09:30:49 PM »
The battery that can/should be removed is BT2 correct? There is another coin battery on the board (BT1). The green battery was just starting to corrode and there is no circuit board damage.
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« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2009, 09:39:08 PM »
Correct.  The coin cell is the CMOS memory battery. You will get a Main Battery Low error message on your display when it drops below a certain voltage. 
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« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2009, 03:54:52 PM »
Thanks for all who replied. I removed the green battery. I also took a bit of plastic off the cover behind the 25 cent light box. I think one reel was hitting there. That also appears to be some sort of touch sensitive device. The machine now appears to be working fine. Now maybe it would be nice to add the stereo sound to it.

Thanks for all the help!!
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« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2009, 06:52:23 PM »
That "touch sensitive device" might be the mini touchscreen panel
unit that changes the denomination of of the game! yes
Can you post up a nice high resolution photograph of it? obsessed drool smiley drool
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« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2010, 09:17:55 PM »
I started having "General Reel Tilts" on my IGT S-2000, 6/04 model. When I turn the machine on and play
a game the button lights, insert bill light, the lighted bill sticker light and the VFD screen would go out in the
middle of a spin. It will reset fine but would only play a few games and goes into a tilt by one, two or all 3 reels.
After a while all the lights that I listed above randomly go out and come back on at the same time while it sits idol.

Any ideas? MPU or PS maybe?

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« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2010, 09:48:38 PM »
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Is there any indication on the VFD of a door open or a closure message during/after the tilt?
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« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2010, 10:36:05 PM »
Quote from: knagl on February 04, 2010, 09:48:38 PM
Ron-

Is there any indication on the VFD of a door open or a closure message during/after the tilt?



Yep, "General Reel Tilt", "Closure MB", "Call Attendant". Nothing rubbing, door optics seem to be in line.

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« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2010, 11:05:51 PM »
Make sure and check if there is a switch for the belly glass door.  I had a machine that did the same thing yours is and I fooled with the optics for weeks - ended up being that belly switch.  I removed it and spliced the wires together Smiley

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« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2010, 11:59:28 PM »
Quote from: dpalmi on February 04, 2010, 11:05:51 PM
Make sure and check if there is a switch for the belly glass door.  I had a machine that did the same thing yours is and I fooled with the optics for weeks - ended up being that belly switch.  I removed it and spliced the wires together Smiley

Dan #2

Thanks Dan #2, removed belly switch and jumped the plug-in. Still the same as before.

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« Reply #20 on: February 06, 2010, 07:16:08 PM »
Got it to working! applause       Had to change the MPU board. This is the second time I have had to change a board out
on one of my IGT machines, in the last year. Seems to be the same problem about the button lights,
some other lights going off and on along with general tilts.

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« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2010, 05:49:49 PM »
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Maybe inspect the Motherboard (backplane) I had one that had damaged or burnt traces that involved the netplex connectors/ports. 
It would be ready to play I press the max bet, bet one, or drop tokens in, but would not complete the play, netplex link would go down as well.
The machine also would after sitting for a while would have netplex go down.
Once I replaced the motherboard it has not had any issues.
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« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2010, 06:33:51 PM »
Quote from: Foster on February 07, 2010, 05:49:49 PM
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Maybe inspect the Motherboard (backplane) I had one that had damaged or burnt traces that involved the netplex connectors/ports. 
It would be ready to play I press the max bet, bet one, or drop tokens in, but would not complete the play, netplex link would go down as well.
The machine also would after sitting for a while would have netplex go down.
Once I replaced the motherboard it has not had any issues.

Thanks Foster, I will check this out if I have another problem. The machine I changed out the MPU boards were not in the same machines. So
more than likely it not the problem at this time.

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