Con 1 installation

[modman]

                      OK, yesterday I finally received my long sought after (Con 1) computer box and now need to be sure where the plugs go (it's been a long time since I removed this box ). I took a picture of where I know at least where one plug goes but the smaller plug I'm not sure where it goes. Now I installed power for both computer boxes like it was over 3 years ago. On the second picture I don't remember removing this plug but it looks like it belongs together but I don't want to attach them because I don't remember ever seeing these two together (pen pointing at the plugs). Using the PSP program, where does the 9 pin cable connect to? does it connect to the Con 1 box for programming? anything else look missing from the pictures? Getting close to finally getting this machine working.  I have a standalone as a backup if this whole setup doesn't work out. But I rather get this one working since it is the way it came when I bought it. Appreciate all the help

[jay]

There are 3 connectors on your pictured con1.

The two long ones ae used to connect to the slots and the shorter one is for your display output.

You connect 2 wires off of the Display output and run that over to your LED5.
I believe if you use Pin 1 and the last pin you should be fine. I am not sure which end is which but it doesn't matter because you can always reverse it.
The word DISPLAY is etched on your board next to this connector.

On the LED 5 you have 2 sets of 2 pins connectors.
The 2pin on the long side is for power and is likely already connected to the power supply that it sits on top of.
The other 2 pins along the end (short side) is for the data in and it is labled +/-
When you connect that to the 2 wires coming from the CON1 the little LED next to the 2pin should start flashing.
If it doesn't then the 2 wires are connected backwards. You will have done no harm by connecting this backwards as the input is just data and the LED (which is a diode)
only allows power to go one way.

To progam this stuff up you connect your PC with PSP to the CON1 and everything is pretty miuch the same as you used for your ChamII+ except when you start PSP you need to choose CON1.

The CON1 manual has some good pictures of all of this. DO you have this manual.

[modman]

                      No manual for this Con 1. Do you by chance have pictures of the wiring? If memory serves me right, on the first picture I'm trying to see where the smaller plug goes to. Not sure if it goes on the left side or right side near the other larger plug.

[brichter]

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[modman]

       Thanks Brichter. OK now I got everything hooked up as it was before. I loaded the program fine. Now the numbers won't progress. The con 1 board is good as when I  closed the loop on the pins, the numbers rotated. It's the machine not sending the signal to the Con 1 board.  On the slot machine the wires are on #1 & #5 on the relay control area used. On the J10 area #2 & #3 are used. Now on my other machine with the standalone board setup on the relay control area #4 & #5 are used to trigger the rotating numbers. What could be the issue? All the boards on top of the machine are working, just not receiving the closed loop pulse...

[brichter]

Did you configure the progressive in the slot machine? If you don't, the slot won't send the signals to the progressive controlller.

[jay]

The CON1 is connected to the exact same place as the ChamII+ was.
The major difference is that the CON1 only has 2 wires not 3.
The third wire is data return which does not exist - and we can introduce the gateway later if this functionality is desired.

[modman]

Did you configure the progressive in the slot machine? If you don't, the slot won't send the signals to the progressive controlller.

                        I didn't do that. Now this machine was configured with these components in the past but what happened was I sent out the con 1 box for repairs and never got it back so I bought a replacement. So now does the machine still need to be reconfigured? the only thing I did was a Ram clear but that didn't do anything. How do I configure this machine to send the output? Is there did switches on the board that slides out that need switching or something else? I never done this before.

[jay]

IF the machine is working with the ChamII+ it will work with the Con1 without further change.

The answer to your question === is that it depends on your game chip. See Ricks Faqs (main page) and post your game chip number.

[modman]

IF the machine is working with the ChamII+ it will work with the Con1 without further change.

The answer to your question === is that it depends on your game chip. See Ricks Faqs (main page) and post your game chip number.

                      Does this matter if this machine is a Bally S5500?

[jay]

Ignore the comments about game chips and enabling for that Bally Platform. Most of us are just so used to working with IGT that we automatically fall into that mode.

Just make sure the CON1 is connected to the same pins as where you had your ChamII+

[brichter]

So, the Bally will hold the progressive configuration settings after a RAM clear?

[modman]

                                 I tried that to but it didn't work. What I did is removed the main board on both machines and found they are both using different type of relays. Now these pics are hard to tell so I'll do my best to explain the details.  OK the first pic shows two relays on #1 & #2, this is for  machine one using the standalone board, the second pic show on tiny white chip installed on #4 of the relay board and this was the original setup on machine 2 with this con 1 board. There is no output on the relay wire harness. Pin #1 and #5 not closing loop. Since the relay configuration is different from machine 1 it is why it is not working when I switch wire from #1 to #4 like machine one with the standalone.

[modman]

                  Sorry, on machine # 2 the tiny white  chip is on #1 of the relay control area

[jay]

We need someone with some Bally Experience...... !!!!

[modman]

                                   I don't want to try to try duplicate the other machine using the 2 identical relays on machine one when on machine 2 (one I'm trying to get working) was originally setup this way. Interesting on machine one it uses two relays the size of the sockets themselves where as on machine two there is a white chip with 4 prongs on the machine, looks like a kind of IC transistor chip to pulse the signal but I have no idea about this... It is interesting on machine one does not use the 6 pin below the 12pin relay connection area where as on machine 2 uses both 12 pin relay connection area and the 6 pin black plug below it. Everything was going well except now the slot machine itself is not sending the signal. Since the wiring was not tampered with or changed I'm hoping it has something to do with programming or configuring like Brichter had mentioned.  NEED HELP!!   I thought everything was smooth and done until this happened....

[jay]

With the CON1 you should be able to connect up all of your machines into one progressive.....

[modman]

                                        That sounds like a good option but first I have to get machine #2 to trigger the Con1 which I don't know why it is not working. Now if I want to combine both machines, do I just parallel the trigger wires on the Con 1 board? not the Gateway correct? I remember seeing a diagram showing a common ground and machine 1 and machine 2 trigger wires.

[stayouttadabunker]

Could you try this?
Swap the relay configuration from the known working board that's pulsing
the coin-out signal (triggering) to the other machine and see if the other machine
now adds (triggers)the the progressive meter.
If it does, then I'm suspecting that the machines each need their own address configured
and the PSP can configure the CON1 to read the coin pulses from each address.
In others words...they all need the same address so they can "speak" to each other.
I don't know anything about configuring addresses on Bally's...
you need a Bally 5500 manual with progressive set ups and instructions.

[modman]

                   I took one of the relays from slot#1  from machine #1 (working standalone) and installed it on relay slot #4  on machine #2 and the progressive #'s did move! now, I need to know what the relay was for from the first machine from slot#1? Perhaps the trigger for the Jackpot? Now I either need to get 2 more of the black small relays or figure how this little white chip is programmed. I posted the pics of the relays, next pic will show where I had installed the relay to make the progressive move.

[modman]

                             Forgot the pics of the relays so here they are.

[modman]

                         Here is the pic of where the relay is installed onto. I need two more of these relays to go back into slot #1

[stayouttadabunker]

Simple electronic relays...
with a magnifying glass, get all the numbers off of them,
post it up and we will help ya locate them.
I'm sure somebody must have a couple around!
If you're real good at searching...punch in the numbers in a search box at one of these places>>
Arcade Components.com
mouser.com
jameco.com
Digi-key.com

but first, I'd place an ad into the "Classified" section of NLG for these Bally 5500 progressive relays!
might save ya the headache of doing an extensive search for 2 small items.

[brichter]

You can probably get them at Happ for $3.48 each, and shipping will only be $53.45.

But they'll ship them separately so total shipping will be $106.90, foor a total cost of $113.86

[modman]

                                           Wow that's some expensive shipping, seems a lot of companies are trying to make a little off shipping to compensate for the low cost of parts.  Anyway can anyone explain how my machine #2 worked with the small chip at one point before the Con1 lost its memory due to a bad battery? Now I'm still curious on the setup. Even though I did install the relay in slot #4, why did it work with the small chip in slot #1 and slot's #2-4 didn't need any to make the progressive work? and now with the relay it will only work on slot #4. Now on machine #1 (standalone) it not only had a relay on slot #4 but also slot#1. Does anyone know why so? is it to trigger the jackpot? This seems to be more technical and I have a hard time trying to figure that out. I wonder how machine #2 get away using this 4 prong small white chip and still be able to trigger the progressive and jackpot? I'm just curious, I'm thinking either the chip went bad or needs reprogramming. I believe the white chip is some type of transistor IC to be able to trigger any output to take place of a relay.