THE RANDON NUMBER GENERATOR

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[Thor777]

Well sorry to hear about your injury and welcome back 

BUT !

  This has to be the longest post I have ever seen on here and I will have to sober up first then set aside 1 hour to read it then another 5 Hours to try to understand it then another 5 days to try to prove it out....   

  Could you just 

 

Really , Thanks for the in depth explanation! 

K+ to ya Rocket!

[5 ACES]

Yea ROCKET, I'm sorry to hear about your injury. Nice, VERY NICE information you posted rocket, on the RNG. I loved this post and even printed it and showed it to my Dad. He was always interested about how the RNG worked and this was the best, most informative piece of information on it that I have ever seen. Thanks again rocket!! I hope your knee get's better!!!

[Railroad94]

Dam that was longgggggg.   Sorry to hear about your accident, sounds like lots of computer time and no stairs.
Did you hit one of the deer when you were putting out the salt tablets ?

[PWRSTROKE]

Rocket,  I could not even make it thru that post all the way.  Glad you are ok.  I will have to put my reading glasses on later and study it more in depth-- .  K+ for probably one of the top 3 record posts here for length-- .  Take care--B.

[StatFreak]

   Wait, what were we discussing again?
It's been an over an hour and fifty wheel scrolls on my mouse since I last came up for air.


Rocket, I'm sorry to hear about your knee. I hope that you're feeling better.

Stat

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for those of you who have been looking for me i had a minor accident
dislocated my knee . so i was off computer the entire past week for most part
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P.S. Next time, don't use your knee to browse the internet on your computer!!   
I'm glad that you copied most of that from the web, otherwise you'd be out another week with repetitive stress injuries to your knuckles.

[stayouttadabunker]

wow...that was like a 2-popcorn movie...

What I liked is that is started to try to explain the weighting of symbols somewhat - to achieve the projected %.
Of course, no where was it mentioned where the RNG is in a slot machine...
it was only described as a "device" invented by Inge Telnaes.
IGT buys it and makes everyone else pay them for using it...
I wonder if the other slot manufacturers were able to come up with their own RNG
for their own machines?

[Forrhouse]

Rocket hope you feel better.  Thanks for the explanation. I didn't get through all of it , but got through enough to get a good Idea what's going on. I'll read the rest later.
Do you know the different between the Inge Telnaes patented RNG and one made  by another slot manufacturer or do they all use the Inge Telnaes patented and pay royalties.
I guess  I'm asking what's so special about the Inge Telnaes patented RNG Generator.
Thanks,
Eric

 

[brichter]

So, the Telnaes patent is not a patent for an RNG or PRNG , but for virtual reel stops and the method of mapping them to physical stops on the reels. The RNG (or PRNG)  is only mentioned in the Telnaes patent as the method for selecting what reels stops are chosen to appear when a game is played. RNGs existed before Telnaes patent, and there are several patents for them (both software and hardware), depending on how they are seeded and how they randomize the output.

You can read http://casinogambling.about.com/cs/slots/a/slotreel.htm for the low-down on how the Telnaes patent works.

Rocket, there are some contradictions in the articles you posted above in that at least one states slot machines use PRNGs (software RNGS, which is correct) and at least one states slot machines use hardware RNGs (which is incorrect). The fact that slots use PRNGs is why they all start out at the same point, and need to rely on temporal effects (the time a player either hits the button or pulls the arm, or differences in the clock frequencies) to deviate from the same selections, as you and Jay mention. TRhat's why software RNGs are known as Pseudo RNGs, because they can't be truly random.

The information on the way their output is used to pick game outcomes appears to be correct, and is good information for anyone who wants to understand how the theory behind Telnaes and how the casinos can be pretty accurate in estimating just how much of our money thay are going to keep.

K+ for taking the time to search and posting all that, Rocket!   I'll have time to read every word when I retire...     

[Forrhouse]

Thanks for the extra info Brichter.
Eric

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[reho33]

From the articles I've read pot of gold machines in operations in Texas that were seized had paybacks as low as 20% So I don't think that they adhere to any gaming commission standards. Hence the rub...........where I live in PA, the governor suggested legalizing the videopoker machines to that the PGCB could set standards for the min. paybacks to stop the thievery of the populace.............when no regulation is present, that's where the cheating and stealing takes place.

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[Magicslots]

Having lived here in Texas my entire life, I can tell you that the only legal gambling here is at a few horse tracks, and multitudes of Bingo Parlors
filled mainly with elderly persons.  There are no Casinos here,   which is why Louisiana and Oklahoma,a spend so much money to stop them from
becoming legalized in Texas.  The machines they keep seizing here are generically known as "eight-liners".  These parlors pop up from time to time
supposedly only awarding small prizes, (not cash), but many of them have been busted in sting ops, running them as true gambling joints!  

I would love it if Texas would legalize Casinos here, but then they would probably change the slot ownership laws and tell me I can't have my own machines!    
 

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[Thor777]

ONCE AGAIN THIS THREAD AS OTHERS HAVE DRIFTED OFF THE ORIGINAL POST .  

Hey Rocket, K+ to ya for trying to keep this thread somewhat on topic.  (that brings u up to a lucky "77")

  I personally find this subject about "THE RANDON NUMBER GENERATOR" quite interesting and also take it pretty seriously    

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[Thor777]

Sorry, I'll take it back...LOL  (just kidding)

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[stayouttadabunker]

I get the feeling we're in for some startling revelations...   

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[coorslight115]

Ram clears only help if you do them on the second Friday of the month and after midnight while only using one coin bets all day 

[Neonkiss]

Ram clears only help if you do them on the second Friday of the month and after midnight while only using one coin bets all day 

No RAM Clear only helps when you start looking at the statistical data on a particular machine. You know the machine has been in use on the floor for two years and it has a 87.35% chip installed. The current data show the machine is paying at 68%

Now is the time to do a RAM clear before it hits to bring it up to the listed 87.35% over the 3 Mil handle pulls.

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