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« on: January 18, 2010, 03:53:47 AM »
Hello everyone, What type/voltage of bulb fits in the lighted buttons on the S+ ?
I have a few out and need to replace them. They look like the 12 volt ones in my old dodge van.

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« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2010, 04:07:30 AM »
    6.3 volt    for a S+  Max Bet & Spin  #555  other buttons # 86
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« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2010, 04:53:44 AM »
Hey Buzz -

The #86 6.3 volt bulbs...   Are those the same bulbs used in the display circuit board behind the denomination label?
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« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2010, 01:19:21 PM »
Quote from: racergiant on January 18, 2010, 04:53:44 AM
Hey Buzz -

The #86 6.3 volt bulbs...   Are those the same bulbs used in the display circuit board behind the denomination label?

In the absence of Buzz... Yes.
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« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2010, 06:28:12 PM »
Are the 86 and 555 lamps the same as pinball lamps of the same number ? Can LED lamps be substituted in slots for the standard lamps like I do in my pin games  ?

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« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2010, 07:25:36 PM »
Quote from: Frank A on January 18, 2010, 06:28:12 PM
Are the 86 and 555 lamps the same as pinball lamps of the same number ? Can LED lamps be substituted in slots for the standard lamps like I do in my pin games  ?

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Frank

Yes they can, but they don't look good in every location because the light isn't dispersed enough in some cases. There are some newer multi-LED replacements that seem to do a bit better.  Do a site search and you'll find several threads covering the subject.
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« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2010, 08:06:51 PM »
Quote from: Frank A on January 18, 2010, 06:28:12 PM
Are the 86 and 555 lamps the same as pinball lamps of the same number ? Can LED lamps be substituted in slots for the standard lamps like I do in my pin games  ?

Thanks,

Frank

Sure can Frank!
Like someone said, they look great in some places and not others.Some LED's have only a 20 degree pattern, while the Superflux models have over 140 degree pattern.
I built a bunch of LED "Clusters" for a IGT Top Dollar. They consist of 3 LED's slightly offset from each other and they are 140 degree LEDS, this provides a wider beam pattern.
The Plus part...
They run cooler, driver boards and power supply dont have to work as hard. Plastics wont become brittle from the heat.

The Minus part....
Some colors look "weird" as the light is more towards the blue part of the spectrum. Some "Hot-spotting" occurs where you see a brighter dot in the middle of where you are illuminating.
Costly at first....
Some dim flicker when "off" and can be seen thru the reels. This is due to them being driven thru a lamp matrix.


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« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2010, 08:36:51 PM »
On pin games I have the same issue where some locations look great while others seem dim. I have 4 colors of the 555 lamps and they have the same issue. Where I replace the 44 or 47 lamps with the LED lamps they generally look good. On the 555 lamps you have to figure out which side has the diode because they won't work if reversed. I learned that the hard way after replacing almost 40 lamps where only less than half worked.

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« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2010, 08:44:39 PM »
Quote from: Frank A on January 18, 2010, 08:36:51 PM
On pin games I have the same issue where some locations look great while others seem dim. I have 4 colors of the 555 lamps and they have the same issue. Where I replace the 44 or 47 lamps with the LED lamps they generally look good. On the 555 lamps you have to figure out which side has the diode because they won't work if reversed. I learned that the hard way after replacing almost 40 lamps where only less than half worked.

Frank

You WILL see flicker with LED's in a pin game as they are driven in a X and Y matrix.The filiment is slow to react in a regular lamp, but the LED is very fast and the human eye can see this flicker.
This can also happen in a slot machine that uses lamp matrixing (IGT and WMS)

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« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2010, 05:22:09 AM »
Is this the "right" #86? 
and is this a decent price?

Is there a better cheaper place?

http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Chicago-Miniature/86/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtj1PWpWL2%252bvF7hdb4bE%2fKdNgtUkjot1pY%3d
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« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2010, 06:19:05 AM »
I just bought #86 LEDs from http://bcspinball.com/ and was very happy with the price, shipping, and service.  The "W1" color white LEDs have a slight blue tint, just like the ones in the casino.  $1 each.
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« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2010, 07:28:40 PM »
You can buy a sleeve of plain old # 86, non LED from Steve Young at Pinball Resource for alot less. 10 in a sleeve for $ 4.20. 42 cents each. www.pbresource.com

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« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2010, 07:55:41 PM »
Great price Frank! are these the same ones you got?  http://rudysdeals.com/eiko,mini,wedge,lamp 
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« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2010, 08:15:56 PM »
Same brand and box. Go to Steve Young's Pinball Resource web site and go to electrical and then go to Lamps/Lights/Bulbs. He will make your first order cash or check up front, but every order after that will be where you send him a check in ten days. Open terms that are very buyer friendly. Lots of good stuff on his site.

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« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2010, 03:57:21 AM »
Thanks for the info, I got some...  Would these work in the candle of a bally 6000?
Quote from: Buzz on January 18, 2010, 04:07:30 AM
    6.3 volt    for a S+  Max Bet & Spin  #555  other buttons # 86
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« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2010, 04:30:17 AM »

Quote from: jimise on January 20, 2010, 03:57:21 AM
Thanks for the info, I got some...  Would these work in the candle of a bally 6000?
Quote from: Buzz on January 18, 2010, 04:07:30 AM
    6.3 volt    for a S+  Max Bet & Spin  #555  other buttons # 86

NO  candle takes a bayonet bulb ( round base) I think a #44 or # 47 will work.
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« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2010, 05:50:33 PM »
Use the 44, it burns cooler than the 47 lamp. Both look and go in exactly the same way.
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« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2010, 11:55:19 PM »
Here is a picture of the the top of the 6000 candle.  It looks like it takes the Blade base? Flat type base...

Thanks!!!
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Quote from: jimise on January 20, 2010, 03:57:21 AM
Thanks for the info, I got some...  Would these work in the candle of a bally 6000?
Quote from: Buzz on January 18, 2010, 04:07:30 AM
    6.3 volt    for a S+  Max Bet & Spin  #555  other buttons # 86

NO  candle takes a bayonet bulb ( round base) I think a #44 or # 47 will work.

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« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2010, 01:13:39 AM »
Oh Oh  We started this thread with a IGT S+  I missed the part where it got changed to a Bally 6000.  I'm not sure of the voltage of a 6000
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« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2010, 02:49:23 AM »
Pretty soon we'll be talking about whether or not these bulbs work on the wings of a Cessna 172... Tongue Out
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« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2010, 04:05:00 AM »
Well I hope that they at least they work in my Dodge van!   Tongue Out 
Quote from: stayouttadabunker on January 21, 2010, 02:49:23 AM
Pretty soon we'll be talking about whether or not these bulbs work on the wings of a Cessna 172... Tongue Out
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« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2010, 04:54:08 AM »
Well - since you brought it up.....      Scratch Head
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« Reply #22 on: January 21, 2010, 05:07:14 AM »
Yes, Yes I did!!  I hope so...... They were pretty expensive!   Tongue Out 
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« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2010, 10:46:37 PM »
I bought some #86 bulbs today for 55 cents each...    Yeah - a little more than the 42 cents each someone else found but - I got them from a "brick-n-mortar" electronics store about 1 mile from my work. 

Another plus?   They have motherboard batteries with the solderable leads too.

Even another plus?  This store is between my work and home so I don't have to make a side trip...
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« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2010, 01:18:27 AM »
Quote from: jimise on January 21, 2010, 04:05:00 AM
Well I hope that they at least they work in my Dodge van!   Tongue Out 
Quote from: stayouttadabunker on January 21, 2010, 02:49:23 AM
Pretty soon we'll be talking about whether or not these bulbs work on the wings of a Cessna 172... Tongue Out

I checked...They will not fit the Cessna 172 or the 152...I went out to the hanger and checked both today.
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