Wanted: Schematics/Owner's Manual for an IGT Keno machine

[ucanwin]

I have a sick IGT Keno machine and need help......desperately . First of all, I'm not sure which model I have, Fortune I or II. A manual and schematics sure would be a great help. My machine has garbage on the screen, see pictures. Model # appears to be SG-412 6/82. Any help with helping to get this beast running would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Jerry

[jay]

I think something was discussed similar in another thread.

1. A pic or two of the boards would certainly help identify what machine it is.

2. Since the screen looks ok but some of the data is garbled it is likely a graphics chip that is acting up.

3. Given the age I personally would unseat any chip that is unseatable, use a white (not pink) eraser to shine up the pins and reseat. It is quite possible that there is nothing wrong other than age and corrosion.
In a casino environment these machines absorb a tremendous amount of second hand smoke, spilled drinks and other funk (funk = gunk that has evolved into its own life form)

As it pertains to #3 - may I suggest using a static free surface and take note which way the chips came out and go back in. There is generally a knotch on the top of the chip or a small circle (indented) onto the chip that denotes the direction.

[ucanwin]

Hi Jay,
Thank you, for your reply to my problem.
In regards to another posting of this problem, I also posted my problem at the end of the original thread. I received NO response whatever......so far. I also pictured my boards there. I have also posted this problem previously and was not able to get a fix.
To date...I have removed all of the removable chips, cleaned the pins with an eraser, and sprayed the sockets with contact cleaner. This has not solved the problem. I have also cleaned the edge connectors on the boards. I have been careful with replacing the chips with the notches in the correct direction.
Now, it would seem to be a problem with a graphics chip, but I am not sure which chip that might be, and where do I find a replacement? Chips that have markings on them, are as follows: Position #10 on the Sircoma board is 000-0FFF KN0047-U 08-21-83 (2-732). Position #46 on the Bally board is #90601000. Position #47 on the Bally board is #90601100. I don't have any idea which might be the graphics chip. Another programable chip on the Sircoma board in Position #10A, has no identifying tag on it.
I have another question.....the battery supply on the board does not have any designation as to what voltage it is. I assume, it should be 3.6 volts. But my next question is....is it a Nicad battery, or something else? The only markings on the battery are as follows: 9707 Japan. Batteries Plus was not able to identify the type of battery with the markings that I showed them. They could only guess.
Is there someplace to get a manual/schematics on this machine?
I am adding the pictures of my boards once again. Maybe it will be of some help with identification of the machine. My guess is that it is a Fortune I, but I may be wrong.
Again, Jay, I really appreciate all of the information that you have given me. Thank you, thank you!!!!
Best regards,
Jerry

[jay]

Most of the regular members read every thread that shows up "New" on the main screen.....  and when things sit for a bit the thread does go stale. Never hurts to post an update or a follow up question to get this back to the top of the list.

There is both a Fortune 1 and Fortune II manual in the uploads section. Neither looked to be great quality scans but I hope they help.

Per the battery - I don't know.
On the newer PE+ models they were not a rechargeable sort. So I would suspect the older ones are not either - but thats just my best guess. They were required to ensure that the game info is not lost in the event of a power bump during game play.
They generally last quite long. I doubt that your issue is related to a spent battery - and the fact that its not leaking, no on-screen errors etc probably means its good. In which case you could use a volt meter to check its value.

Per the bad chip...... I guess it depends on what chip has gone bad. If its a graphics generator. This is likely something that can be ordered online and replaced. If its a bad eprom then we need to find someone with a working game and clone the chip. The fact that we have two people on-site with the same problem is encouraging as it means there are probably others out there as well.

With respect to finding the cause - my first inclincation would be to do a game change to some video poker (more common) game. If the problem moves then its likely something to do with a character generator. If it goes away then we likely have a bad eprom. Unfotunately I do not have the knowledge or experience to even tell you if this is a Fortune 1 or 2 or do a game change but I am hoping we have other members that can help out here.

[ucanwin]

Hi Jay,
Thanks again, for all of your input regarding my nightmare.
I managed to download the Fortune I manual, but have not had the time to follow up on downloading the Fortune II manual, as I have been busy shoveling snow at our two homes. (One being unoccupied since we moved 4 years ago). I'm trying my best to keep up here with all of your suggestions and others.
I have checked the battery previously and it checked 3.6 Volts, which would seem to be ok. I tend to believe, that this is a rechargable Nicad battery.
Unfortunately, I don't have another board, working or not, to try in the machine. That would most definitely, be the way to go here.
Regards,
Jerry

[jay]

My PE+   ..... I change out the game chips. Not the Game boards.
(Albiet I do have several spare boards just in case).

On my system Its 2 chips for the game then 6 graphics chips as needed.
I have about 12-14 different games (including keno).

I was suggesting we change the game chips out and see if the problem remained (on a different game) then we would know the problem is not related to your game chips.

With respect to the small switch you were asked to push. Try pushing and holding for 3 seconds. When I do a game change on my PE+ or the S+ slot machine I need to do this to make the inital error clear.
If that doesn't do anything different try  turning the power off and powering up while holding the button.

[ucanwin]

I tried holding the switch in for 3 seconds with the power on, and also holding the switch in for 3 seconds while powering up the game with no results.

[vette6048]

I use to have 2 of those keno machines and one of them had the same problem. I replaced the main board and it worked fine. I was fortunate to have some extra boards that I bought from another person on Ebay. I am sending 4 extra boards to another member in Arizona that has the same problem. I am not sure that they even worked. About 3 months ago I threw away about 3 or 4 boards. I never thought somebody could use them. The only reason I have these boards is that I had them in my storage room and found them on accident. I have extra marking pens and the board that they are connected to. I still have an older IGT keno machine like yours. The only difference is my holds credits and the boards are easier to find. If you decide to keep the machine I would grab any parts that come up for sale because parts especially the boards are tough to find. Goodluck with the machine.

Louie

[ucanwin]

Hi Louie,
Thanks for the info on the Keno machine. You said that you have the same machine, but it only pays credits. Would the graphics chip on your machine, be the same, even if it is a credit machine? Next question would be....if it might be, then, is there a chance that you might be able burn a copy for me? I would be willing to pay whatever you need to get for a copy.
Do you, by chance know if this machine is Fortune I, II, or something else? Nobody seems to know what model it is. That is awful hard to believe. There had to be quite a few of them around at some point in time.
The manuals for Fortune I seem to say, that there is only one board in them, and the cabinet style is different, at least on the Poker machine shown. The manual for Fortune II seems to have boards with a reset button for clearing the ram, which my machine does not have. So, what the heck is this thing? Does not compute! Bummer!
Anyway, thanks again Louie
Best regards,
Jerry

[vette6048]

Jerry,
My machine is a newer version from yours. Mine holds credits and yours does not. Your machine was made by Sircoma which was bought out by IGT. My machine had 2 boards in the lower left hand corner and the newer version has them above the monitor. My machine even had boards in them made by Bally. These machines at one time where in alot of casinos and over the years were replaced by newer versions. Remember the 2 screen IGT keno machine. They were tall and heavy,they hold the same boards as your machine. I don't know if the chips in my machine are acceptable to your machine. I have extra boards for my machine with the chips but I don't know if they would work. The funny thing is that was my first keno machine and I thought the world of it and kept it in my collection until I sold it. I only wish I would have kept all the boards. The boards I had were made by Bally and were ASSY-400795-TV Keno Card#2.Maybe I can ship you one and I will ship the other person the rest. All you have to do is pay for the shipping and maybe I can add a few extra chips to see if it helps.

Louie

[ucanwin]

Hi Louie,
Thanks once again, for your response. I don't know if my machine holds credits or not. I was given the machine by a person that owned it for some time, but it went bad, and he could not get it working again. It hasn't worked since I got it.

My machine has an IGT plate on it with the model #SG412 Keno 6/82. My machine also has 2 boards on the left side of the machine, under the monitor.

One board is a Bally ASSY-400795 TV KENO Card NO.2. The programable chips in this board are in positions 46 & 47. The markings on these chips are 90601000 and 90601100. Both chips are # HN462716G.

The other board is a Sircoma Master Computer ASSY-510225. The programable chips in it are in positions 10 & 10A and one is marked 0-FFF KN092 5/84
The other chip in position 10 has no tag on it but the chip # is HN482732AG-30. Question.....they both have 28 pin sockets......but the chips in them only have 24 pins and are installed towards the rear of the socket away from the notched end. Is this correct?

I would be most grateful, if you would be willing to part with a board and the chips. I would certainly be willing to pay for whatever you would be asking. Send me your name and address to my e-mail at ucanwin777@aol.com and I will be happy to get a check out to you in whatever the amount is. Thank you..  Louie!!!!

[vette6048]

Jerry,
Your machine does not hold credits. It still looks like a clean machine. I have two #2 boards with all the chips on them and also a few extra misc chips I will send you. There is another member in Arizona that I mailed out today 2 boards and some extra misc chips. He has the same problem that you are having. Hopefully both of you can get lucky and get the machines going. Hopefully this might solve your problem. I will look at the extra boards I have for my keno machine and see if they match. I don't want nothing for the boards and chips. Just pay the shipping and give it a shot when they arrive.

[ucanwin]

Hi Louie,
Your message just made my day. At least now.........there is some hope that my machine might come to life again. If not, you sure tried your best to help me out. I only hope, that someday, I can do something for you. The world needs more people in it, like you. YOU  ARE THE "GREATEST"!!!!! As soon as I know what the shipping cost is....your check will be in the mail. THANK YOU, THANK YOU!
Best Regards,
Jerry