Con1s connection to an S2000?

[Foster]

Well I made a minor error.

Unless there is SG chips oir VS chip that supports multi-denom progressive with Spectrum II you are locked into one set of values even under multi-denom setup
There is only one set of stand alone values.
Chips in my S2000
SB001000
SG000363
VS011GX1

My conclusion is that you can have multi-denom with progressive but either you have to settle for high payout on a small denom or a lower pay out on higher denom no matter if you use Spectrum II or Cham II+.
Or only set up one denom to be a progressive award, like the largest denom you have configured and just have the 3 lower denoms use standard top award in the base chip.

It makes sense though, progressives are usually based on group of machines at set denomination.
What would a linked progressive system handle if every one was playing a different denomination at will.
Also think of the gaming commission and casino's take on such a setup. It would be a nightmare for the commission and casino accountants.

[StatFreak]

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It makes sense though, progressives are usually based on group of machines at set denomination.
What would a linked progressive system handle if every one was playing a different denomination at will.
Also think of the gaming commission and casino's take on such a setup. It would be a nightmare for the commission and casino accountants.

In order for it to be legal and viable in a casino, the spectrum would have to maintain each progressive independently. That way, money played at the dime level, for example, would not affect that played at the dollar level. If a dollar player hit the progressive, the dime (and others) would remain where they were. At that point, it would make more sense to just have a separate meter display for each denomination's progressive (kind of the way that a Quick Hits display has several meters for the different levels available.)


It might have been cool if they could have set up an overhead meter for a bank of machines that had each of the separate progressive amounts listed, and then switch the value displayed on the individual slot to the correct meter as the player changed denominations.

[Foster]

The Spectrum, Spectrum II, and S+ mini LED progressive are just output devices.
The machine itself handles the progressive settings for these devices, even though they all have their own micro-controller, firmware and memory.

When you setup a S+ or S2000 for stand alone progressive you are just enabling and configuring a function of the Game Software in the machine.
This could be true for other IGT platforms as well. I have not had a PE, Fortune, Keno, Game King to check this out yet. so I am not 100% sure on those.
 
My knowledge at this point is limited to S+ with Mini LED, Spectrum, Cham II+ and S2000 Spectrum II, Cham II+.

The S+ and S2000 MPU updates the current value as the game is played.

If those on here know John#### he even had some IGT S progressive driver boards, they will also work on the S+.
They are based on the same chips used by the player display in the S+, just have a few more parts to handle the second display.
Those that have the Liberty Bell book on the S and S+, both the progressive and player display schematics are in it. they are almost identical.

[Ron (r273)]

         
Posted on: Yesterday at 03:04:55 PM
Posted by: Foster "Is multi-denom working but just NOT triggering the cham II+?"

YES! Correct, that is my problem. I can select the amount to play by pushing the new
button I installed. But the CHAMII+ does not increment on any amount. It worked before
I put the single button to select the amount(s). And as said before I can not excess the 7.1.1.4
Denomination Touch Panel section.

Ron (r273)

[stayouttadabunker]

I'd check any PSR's related to that chip and see if there's anything in
there that could recommends a certain Keychip to get into that option setting?
It's possible that only certain chip combos allow you to get into the multi-denom settings?

[Foster]

R273 Ron
7.3.1.1.1
7 Key menu
  3 Progressive
     1 Cointroller Select
        1 Game 1 << either back up to here or the denom to change to the next denom.
            1 denom value (mine is $1)
               It will show either Link, Standalone, SAS etc
               you want to Select "Link:" then change it from disabled to level 1

If I remember right you use the Attandant/Change, Cash/Credit and maybe the bet one buttons to select it
Change button changes the controller type and Cash/Credit aka Cash out changes the level.
Of course it could be Cashout or Cash/Credit controller and Bet One for Level  

Since yours is not sending coin to the Cham II+ yours will say Link: Disabled

You need to do this for each denom just back out of the menu enough you that you can change the denom then step back into the menu
Max bet will go up one level in the menus. Spin reels button will either enter into that menu or restore the setting you had before you changed it.



Level 1 is top award Example Wild Cherry theme: 3 Wild Cherry on the payline
Level 2 is 2nd top award: 3 Wild Cherry in any position
It goes down to 5 or 6 levels.

[stayouttadabunker]

Am I correct in saying that if you "back up out of the menu" just one click too many -
you have to put the bloody keychip back in again?

I hate that....

I must be always backing up too far 'cause I can never change the denoms...

[Foster]

Yes that would be the case.

But for me only takes me about 3 minutes do the key chip part and another 3 minutes before I can do any key menu stuff, thanks to MMLB2 and sound SIMM

[Dan Sorenson]

Just hooked it up then went to settings set up for a stand alone progressive went to re start and now I have a Display netplex error with the key chip in with base chip in I get a netplex error with a e prom error with the two tone alarm. Now what how can I clear this error off. ? It did say at one time Sas not loading so I set it to 000 any Idea so I can get back on track with the Cham II progressive setup...???
Dan
 

[Foster]

Even though the Cham II (+/plus) is considered a stand alone progressive that does not mean the S2000 is configured for a stand alone progressive.
You actually configure a S2000 as a linked progressive when using a Cham II+ or other external non SAS progressive (SAS progressive is a whole different config)

Stand Alone for the S2000 (S+ is the same) means that you are using either a Spectrum (II) or a 7 segment LED progressive designed for the S2000
The Spectrum is connected via Netplex and the 7 Segment is connected by SENET and you configure the progressive values under 7.3.3

Also when you use a key chip you only install the key chip long enough to unlock the menu, no credits on the machine or it will fail.

key chip procedure
1 Turn power off
2 remove mpu from machine
3 remove base chip
4 install key chip
5 install mpu
6 power on
7 wait for the 2 amber LED's to come on. takes like 10 seconds if I remember right
8 power off
9 remove mpu
10 remove key chip
11 install the base chip removed in step 3
12 install mpu
13 power on (DO NOT close door)
14 machine should eventually display [ 7 Key Chip Config ] pn the VFD
15 make your changes to key menu
   7.3.1 controller select would be level 1: link 
    If have multi-denom setup either only configure your highest denom for a progressive or make sure you have the Cham II+ set to be equal to or greater than the highest win (credits x denom value)
    If you dont the S2000 wili increase the win to match the none progressive win
    Example: right now my progressive is approx $16000 but my highest denom is $5 and the Top award is 10,000 credits.
    Triple Red, White & Blue 3CM so if happen to hit he top award the machine will increase the win to $50,0000.

    Do not try to configure a linked progressive for level 2.


Cham II+ if that is what you have is MS08 and m08 under f4 and f8 in PSP 2.0 and 3.0
both numbers are 08 I cant remember which Function key is M and MS off the top of my head. but both F4 and F8 need to be 08 for a S2000.

[Dan Sorenson]

Thanks for the information I will try that set up next. Now after I set the keychip I am only getting one amber light on the mpu this is not good.  When I do get it back I will need the software for the Cham II unit. I have 2 plugs that come off of the progressive unit I can only plug one in to my s2000 the black one plugs in to the progressive slot on the mpu what about the other white one both 6 pin..?
Dan

[Foster]

Please a picture of the harness.

If you are only getting 1 amber LED. Are you getting into the Key Chip menu or what is on the display (helps if you post pictures of VFD as well.
Also post back SG (Game - GME) chip, SB (Base), and VS (version Chip) information as well.

The more information you can tell us, the easier it will be to get the machine operating fully.

[stayouttadabunker]

You've said it earlier Foster - I'll just repeat it.
There cannot be any credits on the machine when trying to use a Keychip.