Why are belly glasses almost always chipped?

[robertwinter]

I've noticed that a LOT of iGame belly glasses are chipped to some degree on a front edge.  Why is that?

[stayouttadabunker]

Insufficient padding and poor handling plus players are always putting their knees against it.

[idesign]

Insufficient padding and poor handling plus players are always putting their knees against it.

Are you serious?

[robertwinter]

The chips I've seen look more like someone tried to pry the glass out of a frame with a screwdriver, not from mishandling.

[stayouttadabunker]

I'd say if you're trying to pry out a belly glass with a screwdriver -
you ARE mis-handling it! lol
The brackets holding the glass in have small gray rubber or foam on
the face of the bracket that actually touches the glass to help hold the glass in place.
However, there's nothing but bare metal on the edges vertically on the door panel.
When a player switched their rubber soles against the glass or pushes the
glass horizontally (sideways) with their knees - the corners of the belly glass hit against the
bare metal of the belly frame...causing hairline splits and chips...
Some dummy that was too lazy to take ALL of the screws out of the
belly brackets and sticks a metal screwdriver in there and tries to pry it out...
well, causes the glass to chip and break apart exactly where the
screwdriver was forced upon it...yes, Idesign....serious...
Of course, the other way to chip them all up is just not watching how you place them down....

[PWRSTROKE]

Chips in any glass-Belly,reel,top is due to mis-handling in the casino during a change,--people beating on the glass in the casino-(I have seen it a lot-wear and tear) or it was designated for destruction any you got lucky in the process by having a complete whole sheet of glass with a chip (stone bruise) in the corner.  Thanks B.   

[Bettor Slots]

Just an observation on my part...but if you study how the frame is designed it is poor at best on an I-game.  Compare it to a S2000 and you will see it is pretty different.  Where on a S2000 the glass can just set in the frame freely and stay level, on an I-game in needs to be clamped with a weather striping type foam between the back frame and the front frame.  And I mean "clamped", otherwise it will not stay centered or level.  You'll notice that the chips are typically around the outside and usually, but not always, nearer the corners.  The problem here with this design of course is that the foam drys up and falls out or crumbles away from the years of heat from the lamp, leaving a decent gap of space between the back frame and the front outside frame.  So as a result the glass literally rattles inside the frame, much more so than the tolerance in the S2000 frame design.  Now as many casinos don't allow the staff designated for collecting and replacing the cash cans to access the inside of the machine, i.e, the area of the MPU / gamed chips, cash can collection occurs through the belly glass access.  It seems logical to me that years opening and closing the belly glass and rattling the glass in the frame would result in the kind of chips we are seeing.  Again, just a theory on my part.

[PWRSTROKE]

Very good point and exactly true to be more specific and scientific about it.  Posting to this thread yeilded me a negitive k.  you guys have it and yak it up.  Quite boring here without all the regulars here.  I think I will join them.  Till next time --B. 

[ROCKET]

Very good point and exactly true to be more specific and scientific about it.  Posting to this thread yeilded me a negitive k.  you guys have it and yak it up.  Quite boring here without all the regulars here.  I think I will join them.  Till next time --B. 

I agree its a trivial post . but it is a post . it proves two things -karma once again frusterates forum users . I popped one up for ya PWRSTROKE !

SECOND :
ALL GLASS  in 99% of machines has a chip of some type .. reasons mentioned above are true . one thing not mentioned on the belly glass
on the I -GAME  or S + ETC  IS THE BELLY DOOR IS OPENED TO GET TO THE CASH BOX MORE OFTEN -THEN THE BELLY DOOR GETS SLAMMED SHUT !..so the switch will close to reactivate the machine etc .

as far as resting knees -shoes - etc . I have to say in most casinos Ihave been in I honestly dont recall any customer sitting with there knees or shoes against the belly glass . perhaps a right or left foot on the cabinet on each side ? but pure handling of any real glass you will get chips and cracks .
it has a mind of its own . i would place money that """""going into stastistical data""""" on this post is its removing and replacing the glass creates the chips .

[stayouttadabunker]

I gave everyone a karma plus+ point for trying to help with robertwinters' question.
If I could, I'd give everyone more!!
Remember, we're all here to try help each other and
yes...with a bit of fun and positiveness as well!  

I'd like to point out something I forgot to mention which might also explain the chips>>>
I was fixing up an old pinball machine and the previous owner was
using the glass top as a place to rest his tools on in a barn in New Hampshire.
Needless to say, when I bought it, the glass was all scratched up and
made it very un-pleasurable to play the game looking through scratches all over the glass.

So, I went out for a drive to my local auto glass shop and talked to the
guy about making me a new glass for my pinball machine.
He got me one in a few days but warned me about one thing....he said that the
glass was "tempered" so that it could withstand the shock of a errant steel pinball hitting the glass.
He said the glass can take the hits of a flying pinball striking it but the glass was
extremely weak on the edges and can be very easily chip or break
entirely when installing it into the machine.
I was told to be very careful NOT to hit the ends of the glass as it is it's weakest points.

Whether or not this applies to slot machine belly glasses is for someone else to discover
because I really don't know if they are "tempered" in the same way as a pinball glass...
I can only imagine they are - but I don't know for sure.

[idesign]

Slot machine glass is not tempered.  It's just 1/4" plate glass.  Tempered glass shatters into a zillion pieces when it breaks. 

[StatFreak]

Perhaps this question belongs in the arcade board, but is pinball glass supposed to be tempered?
An auto glass shop isn't the first place I'd go to replace a piece of pinball glass..

I did end up with brand new glass on my TNG pin because it was under warranty from the seller and had several bad graffiti ring scratches in it. It came perfectly sized, and I figured that he had a source for them. It never occurred to me to ask about tempering, but it doesn't make sense that one would want the glass to shatter like auto window glass does.

[robertwinter]

Yes, pinball glass is supposed to be tempered.

[StatFreak]

Yes, pinball glass is supposed to be tempered.

Thanks. I guess I should be more careful when I take it out, then.

[idesign]

Why are belly glasses almost always chipped?

Is this a trick question like why did the chicken cross the road?

[stayouttadabunker]

Is this a trick question like why did the chicken cross the road?

Hamlet:              That is not the question.

Karl Marx:            It was a historical inevitability.

Oliver North:        National Security was at stake.

Mark Twain:         The news of its crossing has been greatly exaggerated.


And my personal favorite reason for "Why Did The Chicken Cross The Road?">>>


Jack Nicholson:     'Cause it (censored) wanted to. That's the (censored) reason.

[ROCKET]

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[stayouttadabunker]

      I do it all the time....

[ROCKET]

   I do it all the time....

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[stayouttadabunker]

lol....it's okay rocket...it's all done in fun...
This chipped glass thread is hilarious actually.
I think robertwinters has heard all he wants to hear about chipped glasses for a long long time.....lol
Did he get answers...oh yeah...

[ROCKET]

lol....it's okay rocket...it's all done in fun...
This chipped glass thread is hilarious actually.
I think robertwinters has heard all he wants to hear about chipped glasses for a long long time.....lol
Did he get answers...oh yeah...

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[PWRSTROKE]

The thing about chips in any of the glass is --Can it be covered by the enclosure,  Is it a chip or crack, etc. on and on.  A chip will NOT spread in the glass -of course a crack will eventually.  Some of the glass we deal with here is very hard to find and orginal to boot.  I also know there are some vendors even here that have given some bonus bucks back to the buyer for this concern -even though it cannot be seen in the game.  A lot need to keep in mind this stuff cannot be bought new anymore orginal and a repro/fake is just that and a copyright infringement. The stuff when you could get it new was and still is up in the bucks.  Anytime original glass is up for offer I would really consider that fact and also there are companys that charge nearly triple in some cases for some of the same glass that passes through here at times.  Just my ------Negitive 25 cents.  B. 

[stayouttadabunker]

  Great answer Stroke! I 'm shooting you a Kudo's + plus for that post! 

[gordy]

In the beginning, pioneer Herbert Mills made glass very thick for his mechanical slots probably because he noticed thin glass chips because it is weak on the edges.  Next, thin glass was used by Bally E-Ms and it chipped for many reasons.  So, 99% of Bally belly glass was wrapped around the edges with electrical tape to prevent chips developing into cracks and the cracks running across the glass.  Tape decreased rattling, withstood limited rough use, and prevented cuts to hands.  Then, as Bunker noted, misplaced little grey dampers emerged only to turn into dust.  Then, as Jim noted, clamps, tightened with a pipe wrench, are now in vogue.

Chipped glass was not considered significant until the New England Journal of Medicine linked chipped belly glass to a condition known to predominately affect casino technicians called osteopornosis, a degenerate disease.  Early symptoms include the enhancement of the insignificant.

Since this subject has been elevated slightly above it's proper lowly place, can anyone guess the next step in this critical evolution?

[StatFreak]

In the beginning, pioneer Herbert Mills made glass very thick for his mechanical slots probably because he noticed thin glass chips because it is weak on the edges.  Next, thin glass was used by Bally E-Ms and it chipped for many reasons.  So, 99% of Bally belly glass was wrapped around the edges with electrical tape to prevent chips developing into cracks and the cracks running across the glass.  Tape decreased rattling, withstood limited rough use, and prevented cuts to hands.  Then, as Bunker noted, misplaced little grey dampers emerged only to turn into dust.  Then, as Jim noted, clamps, tightened with a pipe wrench, are now in vogue.

Chipped glass was not considered significant until the New England Journal of Medicine linked chipped belly glass to a condition known to predominately affect casino technicians called osteopornosis, a degenerate disease.  Early symptoms include the enhancement of the insignificant.

Since this subject has been elevated slightly above it's proper lowly place, can anyone guess the next step in this critical evolution?

 
I won't even venture a guess, but K+ for making me LMAO.