CHAMII+ & Bally S-6000 Settings

[Worldwide Gaming]

Boy these Mikohn's can be frustrating!!

Trying to get the comms between the slot and the chamii+ working so the increment occurs.  Current settings are as follows:

F3 - SNGL
F4 - M-05
F5 - 3sec
F6 - JP0
F8 - MS00

11d:

02 - 0004
07 - 0001
78L - 0001

I've bumped the increment1 to 0.10 in an attempt to force it to roll quicker for testing purposes.

Have tried Machine types of M-00, M-01, M-02, M-05

Thanks for any assistance in advance!

[jay]

Only speaking from the IGT S+ side of my face...... we have to enable Linked-Progressives within the slot before it will send the coin pulse to the Mikohn board. Perhaps Bally is the same 

[Worldwide Gaming]

Heya Jay!

That's what my 11d settings are (on the Bally) - 02 tells it enable progressive, 07 is # of jackpots, & 78L is the machine ID.  There are also two jumpers on the mainboard to enable RS485 comms.

I'm about ready to drop-kick this entire setup into the Mississippi   

[stormrider]

Boy these Mikohn's can be frustrating!!

Trying to get the comms between the slot and the chamii+ working so the increment occurs.  Current settings are as follows:

F3 - SNGL
F4 - M-05
F5 - 3sec
F6 - JP0
F8 - MS00

11d:

02 - 0004
07 - 0001
78L - 0001

I've bumped the increment1 to 0.10 in an attempt to force it to roll quicker for testing purposes.

Have tried Machine types of M-00, M-01, M-02, M-05

Thanks for any assistance in advance!

On my S6000 Settings as follows

F3-SNGL
F4-M08
F5-3SEC
F6-JPO
F8-MS00

11D

02= 0005 if 0004 is used you get 91 error
07= 001
78lL= 001

Give that a try. Tim

[stayouttadabunker]

Heya
I'm about ready to drop-kick this entire setup into the Mississippi   

Is it deep? 

I tried to send you a copy of the 6000 manual for progressives...
I hope it helps you K. !

Be patient...you'll figure it out from StormRider's settings!
I wonder if the Bally 6000's need relays for the progressive outputs on the backplane board?

[stormrider]

Heya
I'm about ready to drop-kick this entire setup into the Mississippi  

Is it deep?  

I tried to send you a copy of the 6000 manual for progressives...
I hope it helps you K. !

Be patient...you'll figure it out from StormRider's settings!
I wonder if the Bally 6000's need relays for the progressive outputs on the backplane board?

Bunker,

You are correct backplane should have jackpot relay in ISO 1 position

Let me also add this psp stuff can make you pull your hair out at times

[Worldwide Gaming]

I've got an optocoupler installed on the backplane, so I'm good there.  However - there is also the issue of the jumpers on J8 & J9 on the mainboard.  Both are jumpered on 2&3.

I'll give your settings a shot right now!

[stormrider]

I've got an optocoupler installed on the backplane, so I'm good there.  However - there is also the issue of the jumpers on J8 & J9 on the mainboard.  Both are jumpered on 2&3.

I'll give your settings a shot right now!

Yeah it takes a little playing with but I'm sure you will get it
who are we speaking with at Worldwide ?
I know of Karsten and Bradley

[stayouttadabunker]

Oh yeah Kar,
This    Mikohn and PSP stuff was never really user-friendly...lol
In fact, I been there and done it many times but I never remember anything...
That's why I have so much reference material to fall back on to look up.
Plus, whenever I really get in a bind, I resort to coming here for help -
That's why I'm always here...lol

Also, I've pulled and pulled but I have no more hair left....

[Worldwide Gaming]

It's me - Karsten.  For some reason our old WWG account on NLG went POOF and I had to start this one...

UPDATE:

I just ran the settings from stormrider - if I set 11d/02 = 0005 I get a 91 error.  If I go back to 0004 the error goes away, but no increment in the chamii+ 

Can you check your J8 & J9 mainboard jumpers?  I've got a feeling it's related to them.

(and no, the Mississippi just isn't deep enough for this P.O.S. chamii+     )

[stormrider]

It's me - Karsten.  For some reason our old WWG account on NLG went POOF and I had to start this one...

UPDATE:

I just ran the settings from stormrider - if I set 11d/02 = 0005 I get a 91 error.  If I go back to 0004 the error goes away, but no increment in the chamii+  

Can you check your J8 & J9 mainboard jumpers?  I've got a feeling it's related to them.

(and no, the Mississippi just isn't deep enough for this P.O.S. chamii+    )

Hey Karsten its Tim here bought a Bonus Times from you years back
On Mine J8 is 1+3  J9 is 2+3 but that refers more to having the 485 link wire hooked up which I don't use
also I assume you have pin 3 and 13 hooked up on the backplane to J7 on cham

[Worldwide Gaming]

Heya Tim!!

After this go-around with this Mikohn stuff I don't think I'll ever forget the settings again.

I'll change my jumpers around in the morning and give it one more shot!

I've got both the 2-wire to the 485 and the 2-wire to the jackpot that go into the 4-pin bally connector (it's the official cable).  Isn't the setting of 02 = 0005 for multiplex only and would require the 485 connection? Hmmmm   

(what really frustrates me is I can get it to work on IGT, but not Bally!!) 

[stormrider]

You might try 11d 02 back to 4
and use M08

I use 11d 02 to 5 as I get the 91
you must have other wires hooked (485)up in that 6000
or different jumper settings I have 3 machines running cham2 now
it was always a learning experience.

Tim

[stormrider]

Heya Tim!!

After this go-around with this Mikohn stuff I don't think I'll ever forget the settings again.

I'll change my jumpers around in the morning and give it one more shot!

I've got both the 2-wire to the 485 and the 2-wire to the jackpot that go into the 4-pin bally connector (it's the official cable).  Isn't the setting of 02 = 0005 for multiplex only and would require the 485 connection? Hmmmm   

(what really frustrates me is I can get it to work on IGT, but not Bally!!) 

I had to make my own cable and I think that 485 is coming into play here
I just use 2 pin hookup and no 485 I believe jw 9 at 2/3 tells it not to use 485 off the top of my head
Don't give up your just a setting away LOL
post back tomorrow your findings
then we can get it to dazzle and flip.

Tim

[StatFreak]

I can tell you that on my 5500 with 11d 02 set to 4, the JW9 jumper will determine whether or not I get the 91 error. In my case, I am using the serial return from the Mikohn, have the jumper set to pins 2 & 3, and do not get the error. I can also see the updated progressive value in the bookkeeping meter appendix after every spin, which confirms that the serial return data are being received by the machine.

My progressive increments fine, however, I have never been able to get the jackpot to trigger, and I've been fiddling with it for almost three years. Still no definitive answer. You're lucky to have the original progressive cables. I have never been able to find a set.

[Simon Barsinister]

My progressive increments fine, however, I have never been able to get the jackpot to trigger, and I've been fiddling with it for almost three years. 

I had this issue once with a 5500 and changing Opt. 2 to 5 allowed the J/P to trigger and reset properly.

If you try that change, you can test it for success.  Enable Option 80 (change it to 1 from default of 0), then go directly to the Paytable Test and line up the J/P symbols, set it to max bet then hit spin. If the new setting worked for you the Progressive would then be triggered.  Keep in mind that this test will cause a full reset to the progressive base amount as if it really hit, it will not return your current amount after exiting the test.

[StatFreak]

My progressive increments fine, however, I have never been able to get the jackpot to trigger, and I've been fiddling with it for almost three years. 

I had this issue once with a 5500 and changing Opt. 2 to 5 allowed the J/P to trigger and reset properly.

If you try that change, you can test it for success.  Enable Option 80 (change it to 1 from default of 0), then go directly to the Paytable Test and line up the J/P symbols, set it to max bet then hit spin. If the new setting worked for you the Progressive would then be triggered.  Keep in mind that this test will cause a full reset to the progressive base amount as if it really hit, it will not return your current amount after exiting the test.

It won't work -- at least, not in option 80. Belieeeeeve me, I've tried every setting with option 80. ...   
But thank you for the suggestion. I sent you a K+ anyway.

By the way, what happens in option 80 (with 11d Option 2 set to either 4 or 5) is that it seems to send multiple coin pulses to the CHAMII+ (like six to ten or so), but not one long signal. The coin pulses in regular play and test 80 always work perfectly, but not the jackpot.

Now, what's weird is that if I set 11d 02 to 2, then the jackpot WILL trigger the progressive correctly in test option 80. However, coin-in does not work at all, and of course, there is no return serial data on the slot.

[stayouttadabunker]

lol

[stormrider]

I can tell you that on my 5500 with 11d 02 set to 4, the JW9 jumper will determine whether or not I get the 91 error. In my case, I am using the serial return from the Mikohn, have the jumper set to pins 2 & 3, and do not get the error. I can also see the updated progressive value in the bookkeeping meter appendix after every spin, which confirms that the serial return data are being received by the machine.

My progressive increments fine, however, I have never been able to get the jackpot to trigger, and I've been fiddling with it for almost three years. Still no definitive answer. You're lucky to have the original progressive cables. I have never been able to find a set.

Stat,

You do have the jackpot relay installed at ISO1 position correct ?
also in 11d menu option 07 set to 1 external jackpot
I use
02-5
07-1
78L-01

In option 80 set to 1
then menu10 pay table test always triggers jackpot for me.

Tim

[StatFreak]

Stat,

You do have the jackpot relay installed at ISO1 position correct ?
also in 11d menu option 07 set to 1 external jackpot
I use
02-5
07-1
78L-01

In option 80 set to 1
then menu10 pay table test always triggers jackpot for me.

Tim

Yes, I have the opto relay installed and use those settings. The only thing that I see above that I might not have tried is changing the CHAMII+ setting to M08. The reason that I'm not sure is that back in the beginning I tried various settings of M and MS as well as different trigger times, so I'm not positive that I didn't try M08 at some point.
I'm going to try that and see if it makes a difference.

[Slottex]

Stat, Do you have U7 removed and JW9 jumped correctly ?

[StatFreak]

Stat, Do you have U7 removed and JW9 jumped correctly ?

You know, I tried it with both the chip inserted and removed and didn't notice any difference in any of the modes. JW9 is set on the "lower" two pins -- which should be 2 and 3 -- and the serial return data works fine. I do get a 91 error if I change the jumper on JW9 and keep setting 5 setting 4, so I'm pretty sure that I have it set correctly. Ironically, this particular machine had a CHAMII+ installed at the factory, but the casino yanked it out before selling it off. There is even a sticker on the inside of the top box with a picture of the CHAMII+ circuit board on it. I figured that if the chip was there, I ought to just leave it. They wouldn't have installed that chip when they took ripped out the progressive. Besides, if I leave it in, it won't get lost.  

P.S. What type of error is supposed to happen if the chip is left in? As I say, I never saw a difference.


<EDIT> Corrected to setting 4. On the 5500, setting 4 uses the serial return and setting 5 does not.

[Slottex]

By reading it sounds like you checked everything, Double check your settings for (M-08) & (MS-00) for serial return. Do you know for sure your cable to mother board and cham II + is correct .

[StatFreak]

By reading it sounds like you checked everything, Double check your settings for (M-08) & (MS-00) for serial return. Do you know for sure your cable to mother board and cham II + is correct .

Actually, I am going to make a new cable because I'm thinking (hoping) that it might be part of the problem. Once I get that done, I'm going to try setting the CHAMII+ to M08. I think that it's either M00 or M05 right now. I'm also hoping that that is the problem.

I just tried another clear and set everything up from scratch, but got the same results. Coin in counts fine and the serial return updates the machine bookkeeping meters in appendix b JP-1 to correctly reflect the value shown on the progressive meter, so I'm just about certain that I have things wired correctly.

I tried test 80 again, and if I turn off the serial (11d Op.2 = 5) then the machine indicates JP1 and the Mikohn increases by what I believe to be 8 coin-in pulses. I can then retest as I wish.

If I turn on the serial return (11d Op.2 = 4) then the machine locks up and I have to press reset to clear it. The Mikohn still increments by 8 pulses. I know that the reason for this is that the machine is waiting for the CHAMII+ to return the jackpot info (or an acknowledgement) via the serial connection, and that doesn't happen because the CHAMII+ progressive doesn't get triggered.

I will post back after I make a new cable and try setting M08.

[StatFreak]

To add:

I have been using the following connections:

Bally 5500 J9 is a 1x12 pin connection labeled "Relays". Pin 1 is on the right.
               J10 is a 2x3 pin connection labeled "Bal Line". Pins are  3  2  1
                                                                                           6  5  4 

Mikohn J7  Bally 5500
pin   3           J9  pin   1
pin 13           J9  pin 10
pin   9           J10 pin  2
pin 10           J10 pin  3


Does anyone know what the chip in U7 does? I'll try removing it again after making a new cable and changing the CHAMII+ settings, but I would be interest in knowing what it's supposed to do, since it hasn't seemed to matter so far.

One more thought/question. Is it possible that my opto-relay is fried? Would I be able to increment the progressive at all if it were? I know that the jackpot signal and the coin pulses go through the same two wires -- it's only the length of the signal that changes. What I'm not sure of is whether the coin pulses pass through the relay.