CHAMII+ & Bally S-6000 Settings

[Worldwide Gaming]

Well, changing the mainboard jumpers around allowed me to change my setting from 0004 to 0005 without generating a 91 error message, unfortunately, I'm still not getting any increments on the chamii+...

I have not tried removing the 485 connector from the backplane yet, but I'm not so sure that would even make a difference.

I don't have a breakout box or a multimeter with storage capability, so I'm not sure what pulses (if any) or their length are being transmitted back and forth.

I did connect to an IGT S-2000 (after reprogramming) and was able to get it to work - so it's NOT the chamii+.

Open to any and all suggestions!  Including a deeper body of water to dump this crap in 

[Slottex]

Stat, when you build your harness you only need 2 wires as you said,

Cham II + pin 3 goes to Bally pin 1
Cham II + pin 13 goes to Bally pin 10

U7 I have know idea, just going by Bally Pro 5500 and it works by taking out on my machines 

Let's get this thing working for you ! It's got to be something simple we are overlooking !!!

These are my Bally 5500 setting's
02-05
07-01
18-01
78H-01
78L-01

[StatFreak]

Worldwide Gaming, it sounds like the serial connection is working but the coin/jackpot connection is not. (The two are separate processes, each using two independent wires.)

Have you double checked to make sure that the coin pulse wires are connected to the correct pins on both the 6000 backplane and J7 on the CHAMII+? I know that you have original cables, but it's possible that the cable was mis-wired. My other thought was to check and make sure that you have the opto-relay installed in the jackpot1 socket on the backplane. I'm still not sure whether regular coin-in pulses go through that relay or not, but if they do, then it would need to be there.

Does anyone know the failure rate of those relays?

[Worldwide Gaming]

Hey StatFreak - isn't the BAL LINE unused?  There should be a second 2x6 connector labeled LINK 485 that's wired with pins 2 & 4 instead of 2 & 3 and plugs to J14 on the backplane of the S-6000.

Can anyone confirm the wiring on the S-6000 vs the S-5500?

Thanks!!

[StatFreak]

I don't know where the connections go on the 6000, but I know that it has to be different because the machines have different backplane boards.

[Worldwide Gaming]

Heya StormRider - I noticed on another topic that you said you were using two wires from your S-6000 backplane to the ChamII+  --

JP Coin In on the ChamII+ (J7) to pin 14 on the backplane & Common on J7 to pin 3 on the backplane.

I'm curious - what are you connecting to on the backplane - there's only 12 pins!!   

[stormrider]

Heya StormRider - I noticed on another topic that you said you were using two wires from your S-6000 backplane to the ChamII+  --

JP Coin In on the ChamII+ (J7) to pin 14 on the backplane & Common on J7 to pin 3 on the backplane.

I'm curious - what are you connecting to on the backplane - there's only 12 pins!!  

Karsten,

I just took a look at the backplane S6000
2 wires only looking left to right...pin 3 backplane to pin 14 on J7 of cham
now last pin(12) far right of backplane to pin3 on J7 of cham
I must have made a typo in the post as the cham has 14 pins out
will go back and correct the post also note on that backplane there is a space where a pin would be
so counting the space = 12

As far as the 5500 I have no clue don't own one

Either you have the 2 wires hooked up reverse or that 485 is causing problems
you are in standalone mode in the cham setting correct ?

Tim


I went back and corrected the post at the time I was setting up a dual level
so I was a little confused with everything.

[Worldwide Gaming]

I just took a look at the backplane S6000
2 wires only looking left to right...pin 3 backplane to pin 14 on J7 of cham
now last pin(12) far right of backplane to pin3 on J7 of cham
I must have made a typo in the post as the cham has 14 pins out
will go back and correct the post also note on that backplane there is a space where a pin would be
so counting the space = 12

Either you have the 2 wires hooked up reverse or that 485 is causing problems
you are in standalone mode in the cham setting correct ?

Hi Tim -

I've got the OEM harness right now - here are the pinouts for the S-6000 backplane on that harness:

J13 -

12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
           x                       x

J14 (link 485) -

5 3 1
   x
6 4 2
     x

BAL LINE unused (is for 5500, not 6000)

J13, pin 1  -->  Pin 1 on molex (4-pin)
J13, pin 10 -->  Pin 2 on molex

J14, pin 3  -->  Pin 3 on molex
J14, pin 2  -->  Pin 4 on molex

ChamII+ connector (J7):

 7  6  5  4  3 2 1
 x      x         x
14 13 12 11 10 9 8
          x

From the molex to the ChamII+:

Molex, pin 1  -->  Pin 2 on J7
Molex, pin 2  -->  Pin 7
Molex, pin 3  -->  Pin 5
Molex, pin 4  -->  Pin 12

Now, that's the 'official' OEM cabling for the S-6000 to ChamII+ according to Bally...

I'm about to make a quickie two wire connection from J13, pin 3  -->  J7, pin 14 & J13, pin 12  -->  J7, pin 3 and will post how that goes.  It does seem a bit odd to have such different wiring from the OEM to what you've got working, but then again, it is BALLY!  

[Worldwide Gaming]

I just took a look at the backplane S6000
2 wires only looking left to right...pin 3 backplane to pin 14 on J7 of cham
now last pin(12) far right of backplane to pin3 on J7 of cham
Tim

It just dawned on me that you've got your J13 numbered backwards, so, pin 3 is really pin 10 and pin 12 is actually pin 1.  That matches the OEM cable as well.  Which means, on the OEM cable (if I'm numbering the J7 on the ChamII+ correctly - shown above) that J13, pin 1 -->  J7, pin 2 & J13, pin 10  -->  J7, pin 7.

According to the ChamII+ manual:  J7, pin 14 is 'Voltage I/O' & pin 3 is 'Machine Input'  - however, they do not show if they are counting pins from right to left, top row then bottom row or right to left, alternating top and bottom rows (as Bally does on the RS485 connector).

Does anyone have the actual pinouts for J13 on the S-6000 backplane?  With that info, I can match up to the J7 connector on the ChamII+.  Or, if we can figure out the pin numbering correctly.....

[Slottex]

Sent you an Email !

[Foster]

if are holding the cham II+ so that J7 the 14 pin header is to the bottom right and the switches are along the top the numbering is as follows:
J7
13 11  9  7 5 3 1
14 12 10 8 6 4 2
                               switches ^^
<- power conection   RS-232 and other headers ->

[StatFreak]

if are holding the cham II+ so that J7 the 14 pin header is to the bottom right and the switches are along the top the numbering is as follows:
J7
13 11  9  7 5 3 1
14 12 10 8 6 4 2
                               switches ^^
<- power conection   RS-232 and other headers ->

 

I can confirm that this is the correct pin numbering for the CHAMII+  J7 connection.

[stormrider]

Karsten,

I sent you a pm on this
you can call me anytime.

Tim

[Worldwide Gaming]

if are holding the cham II+ so that J7 the 14 pin header is to the bottom right and the switches are along the top the numbering is as follows:
J7
13 11  9  7 5 3 1
14 12 10 8 6 4 2
                               switches ^^
<- power conection   RS-232 and other headers ->

THANKS!!

Does anyone have the pinouts for the J7 header?  The Bally manual does not give them nor do the schematics list them.   

[Slottex]

Karsten, E-mailed you the Cham II + manual it's in there !

[stayouttadabunker]

Maybe this might help?
J7 is way on the right hand side.
Just click on it to enlarge it!>>>

[Worldwide Gaming]

I've got the ChamII+ manual - but thanks anyway!  

The Bally S-6000 backplane pinouts aren't listed in there - just a drawing of the header  

Maybe if we attack it from a different angle...

I've got pinouts for the S-5500 J9 header.  Of course, Bally being Bally - they've numbered the header 12-1, left to right - but they've numbered the I/O wiring 1-12, left to right (so pin 1 connects to line 12 / pin 12 to line 1).  I'll list the pinout to the header pin and assume that's what they really meant.

S-5500 J9:

1 - Ground
2 - Ground
3 - Jackpot 1 Common
4 - Jackpot 2 Common
5 - Jackpot 3 Common
6 - Total in  Comon
7 - Unused
8 - Common
9 - Total In
10 Jackpot 3
11 - Jackpot 2
12 - Jackpot 1

So - does anyone have a functional S-5500 to ChamII+ that can check their wiring and post?

[Worldwide Gaming]

Karsten, E-mailed you the Cham II + manual it's in there !

Maybe this might help?
J7 is way on the right hand side>>>

WHOOPS!  MY BAD!

What I really meant was the J14 header on the S-6000 backplane!

[stayouttadabunker]

I have no idea if this will help you Kar?
It's from a CHAMII+ manual but I don't know to which Bally.
Click on photo to enlarge it!>>>

[Worldwide Gaming]

I have no idea if this will help you Kar?
It's from a CHAMII+ manual but I don't know to which Bally.
Click on photo to enlarge it!>>>

BAL LINE unused (is for 5500, not 6000)

J13, pin 1  -->  Pin 1 on molex (4-pin)
J13, pin 10 -->  Pin 2 on molex

J14, pin 3  -->  Pin 3 on molex
J14, pin 2  -->  Pin 4 on molex

Got that - unfortunately, it doesn't give pinouts for J14 - just the 4-pin molex (I've already tried inferring from there, but no luck on getting the ChamII+ to increment).  Problem is, which 'common' are they referring to and which pin on J14 is that correct 'common', etc etc...

Considering I've got an OEM cable and it's not working with the ChamII+ programmed the way it's supposed to be...about the only things I can think of now is bad/incorrect wiring and/or a bad optocoupler...

[stayouttadabunker]

Page. 412  of the Bally 6000 manual gives you the J14 plug pin outs...
Seems like only pins 1 and 6 are not used.
2,3,4,5 are the TX and RX ins and outs.
I would try to match those up with the RX and TX ins & outs of the CHAMII+ pin outs above?
Here's a cut out from page. 412.
Click on it to enlarge it!>>>

[stayouttadabunker]

Maybe, but I'm leaning towards a possible option setting?
Page. 216 seems pretty important?>>>

[Worldwide Gaming]

Good stuff!  I've got a S-5500 ProSlot manual, but not the S-6000...

Next - pinouts for the J13 header on the S-6000 backplane!

[Worldwide Gaming]

OK - time for a recap on the complete configuration...  Who knows, maybe with it all in one place someone will spot something.   

EQUIPMENT:
ChamII+ (v2.07)
Bally S-6000
PSP v2.0 on DOS 6.22

ChamII+ settings:

DISP -
JP Limit = No
# Displays = 1
JP GRP 1 = SA
MFILE1 = 5
ODSPEED1 = 10
FONT1 = ODMTR8W
SIZE1 = 70

SYST -
TEST = OFF
BIRTH = OFF
SAVE TO = RAM DRIVE
SHOW LOAD = YES
SHOW C1 = YES
SYMBOL = $
SOUND = DISABLED

ADDR -
PROTO = CON2
GRADR = 255
IDADR = 64
RTR ADDR = OFF
MACH ADDR = 1

PSP V2 SETTINGS:

JACKPOT PROGRAMMING -
BASE VALUE = 500.00
CURRENT JACKPOT = 1001.00
HIDDEN JACKPOT = 0
JP LIMIT = 999,999.99
INCREMENT1 = 1.00000
INCREMENT2 = 0.00000
F3 = SNGL
F4 = M08
F5 = 3sec
F6 = JP0
F7 = $$$$
F8 = MS00

BALLY S-6000:
11d -
02 = 0005
07 = 0001
78L = 0001

MPU -J8 - 1 & 3
J9 - 2 & 3

CABLING:

S-6000 TO CHAMII+

J13, PIN 1 --> J7, PIN 3
J13, PIN 10 --> J7, PIN 13
J14, PIN 2 --> J7, PIN 10
J14, PIN 3 --> J7, PIN 9

[stayouttadabunker]

You can upload to your computer the Bally 6000
manual from the "Submit a New File" section of NLG....
It's on the bottom of the list!
Good luck Kar!