Second Amendment News and Views.

[tacman]

Forewarned is Forearmed. Please check out this link. Will it ever stop?? 

http://wearechangecoloradosprings.org/blog/?p=594

 Dan (tacman)

[jdkmunch]

Were in a boatload of trouble.  This president has done more to damage the United States than all of the others combined.  I thought Clinton damaged a generation .... at least he didn't need a teleprompter to speak.  People made fun of Bush and true he was a horrible communicator - but at least he wasn't a Chicago political hack.   
I'll do anything to help any way I can. I'm just so depressed.

[Thor777]

Were in a boatload of trouble.  This president has done more to damage the United States than all of the others combined.  I thought Clinton damaged a generation .... at least he didn't need a teleprompter to speak.  People made fun of Bush and true he was a horrible communicator - but at least he wasn't a Chicago political hack.   
I'll do anything to help any way I can. I'm just so depressed.

   I couldn't have said it any better myself...  Welcome to the wonderful world of Socialism  and don't forget to "spread the wealth"    ... You know right after you turn in your guns and give up the rest of your rights for the sake of the new "world order"   

[jdkmunch]

What truly gives me "HOPE" are the people I meet who feel the same way.  Just like your post Thore!.    Hopefully real "CHANGE" will begin in the 2010 election. 

Only 514 days!!!!!

[Thor777]

What truly gives me "HOPE" are the people I meet who feel the same way.  Just like your post Thore!.    Hopefully real "CHANGE" will begin in the 2010 election. 

Only 514 days!!!!!

   There is still a LOT of more damage that can be done in that time period  that will probally never be recovered from while any of my generation is alive...  But I pray you are right and whe can preserve the American Dream for the next generations 

[jdkmunch]

What a dear friend told me is that everything happens for a reason.
 After thinking about this for a long while I believe he is right.  America has become complacent and we are getting what the people voted in.  I pray too this will be a wake up call and America come out stronger.   Just look what happened after the Carter disaster.

But sadly I agree it will take decades to correct.   

[StatFreak]

While I won't defend all of Obama's actions, I have to say that I have the exact same feelings regarding the terrible damage the GW Bush administration did to this country and its constitution, or have you all forgotten the new level of closed and secret government that he (and his father) advanced, and the passing of the "Patriot Act", a despicable use of Orwellian Doublespeak that played on our fears (as most despots do) to enact a sweeping series of laws that undermined the very core of our Constitution and Bill of Rights, and brought us much closer to a Fascist state of government than I hope to ever see again in my lifetime in this country. The damage is slowly being undone, but each part of the "act" must be challenged separately in the courts. I am grateful to Obama for helping to accelerate the process of dismantling these laws.

Bush also spent our government into oblivion supporting a war that we should have pulled out of years ago. Has everyone forgotten that the war was entered based on the false assumption that Iraq was hiding a stockpile of weapons of mass destruction? Regardless of whether this position was truly borne of ignorance or inaccurate intelligence, or was conjured up as an excuse to get us in there, it is clear to me that once involved, the reason to persist was solely to protect the interests of big oil, in which the Bush family was and is a part of, and whom had GWB in their hip pockets, voluntarily or otherwise.

In addition, there are still those of us who don't consider GW Bush to be a legally elected president. All of the conservatives out there try to downplay and make fun of those of us who recognize that due process of law through the Supreme Court was eclipsed to get him installed as president, despite the evidence that the votes in Florida were manipulated, or was I supposed to just put on my "stupid" hat once he took office and forget what happened?

GW Bush also worked harder than any president in recent history to integrate conservative Protestant and Catholic Christian religious morality and beliefs into government policy (although he is considered to be a Methodist), another spit on the core of our founding father's intent. The separation of church and state was fundamental, as so many in the new world were fleeing religious persecution in coming to the colonies. I do not want my government adopting the moral imperative of any religious organization, Christian or otherwise, and doing so was a slap in the face to those who don't happen to be part of the "majority religion". Our founding fathers got it right the first time.

You are all decrying the emasculation of the second amendment and blasting our current president for his position on that issue. Fair enough. But what about the damage done by the Bushes to the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, Eight, and Fourteenth amendments? Is you American dream really to be able to stockpile semi-automatic assault weapons? Is it to have enough arms to defend yourself against your own government when they become so corrupt that it becomes necessary to do so? Is it to turn a blind eye to those who are not as fortunate as yourself and coldly say that they should be able to succeed without any government aid, as you have, without any empathy for their plight? My American dream would be to live in a country where people who are different from me (or you) can live in peace and respect, where differences are not just tolerated, but celebrated, and without my government imposing a conservative morality of a particular religion on its citizenry.

[jdkmunch]

That's a valid point of view 


That's why I love the United States!    We can all have our own opinion. 

  

[StatFreak]

I'm not anti-gun. I want to see the second amendment defended as well, but I don't see Obama as others here seem to.

That's why I love the United States!    We can all have our own opinion. 

  

I couldn't agree more! 
..and why I'm glad to see Bush out of office.

[brichter]

I'm not a Bush fan (didn't vote for him either time), but I don't ascribe to the view that the current president only needs to be better than the last to be a resounding success.

I don't feel I should have to trade any of my Constitutional rights for any of the others...

[Joeylc]

Welcome to Arizona


PHOENIX About a dozen people carrying guns,
including one with a military-style rifle,
milled among protesters outside the convention center
where President Barack Obama was giving a speech Monday...

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/Kz-c4aUmUfI&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/Kz-c4aUmUfI&rel=0</a>

[Joeylc]

Multiple People Carry Assault Weapons Pistol To President Obama's VFW Event In Phoenix, Arizona

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/5L40tNRFMT8&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/5L40tNRFMT8&rel=0</a>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/VAdG3EfZYfc&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/VAdG3EfZYfc&rel=0</a>

[Joeylc]

The dumb shit's at msnbc cant get it right  make a law ????   
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/9IFhJtijX88&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/9IFhJtijX88&rel=0</a>

[Op-Bell]

I don't know who they expect to impress with such stupid threatening behavior. Hotheads like that have started wars - Sarajevo, anyone? In this case they could start a civil war, and I sincerely doubt there would be any Second Amendment rights for anyone after the federal government crushes the uprising.

[tjkeller]

It's the 2nd part of this vid that's the good part.
I received an email with a much better quality wmv file but too big for this site. (can forward email to anyone who wants a copy)
This was the only thing I found on YouTube that had the clip.
Denny Crane (William Shatner) on Boston Legal......man I LOVE that show!...Go Shatner! 

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/kfC5PxHNNKM&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/kfC5PxHNNKM&rel=0</a>

[Joeylc]

Gun advocates predict drop in crime if gun ban is lifted

September 30, 2009
BY ABDON M. PALLASCH AND FRAN SPIELMAN Staff Reporters

The U.S. Supreme Court’s decision Wednesday to hear a challenge to Chicago’s strictest-in-the-nation handgun ban means the other holster is ready to drop on the ban, gun advocates said Wednesday.

The high court last year threw out Washington, D.C.’s gun ban in the District of Columbia vs. Heller case, but stopped short of invalidating the rest of the country’s handgun bans because that case dealt only with federal, not local bans.

The fact that the court is taking this case means it is ready to say that the 2nd Amendment Right to Bear Arms can’t be infringed by local governments either, said Alan Gura, who argued Heller before the court and will argue this one too.

Gura flew from Virginia to Chicago Wednesday to appear at a news conference with gun advocates who predict the crime rate will drop in Chicago when handguns are legal again here and would-be burglars opt not to break into homes for fear the owners are armed.

“I'm confident that a year from now there will not be a Chicago handgun ban,� Gura said.

“I want to be able to protect myself in my own home -- this is a right that we have that has been moved away from us and we should have it back,� said Otis McDonald, 76, a retired janitor who says his neighborhood of Morgan Park has gotten rougher in recent years and kids who used to play basketball in his backyard have approached him with guns on the street.

“I I don’t have any intention of going out there and shooting up anybody. The people who want to control me — these are the people I want to protect myself from.�

Mayor Daley is in Copenhagen lobbying to bring the 2016 Olympics here. Ever since last year’s Heller decision, which Daley called a “frightening� decision that “changed the rules� of inner-city policing, city attorneys have expected the fate of Chicago’s 1982 handgun ban to be decided by the U.S. Supreme Court.

“It’s not a blow to us in the sense that it’s a surprise,� said City Law Dept. spokeswoman Jenny Hoyle. “But we are obviously concerned about what a final decision could mean for Chicago.� Hoyle said city attorneys remain “encouraged� by some of the language the Supreme Court used in overturning Washington D.C.’s handgun ban.

“The Heller decision didn’t say there has to be unrestricted access and ownership [of] handguns. They allowed for the possibility that some restrictions might be appropriate,� she said.

As a result, Hoyle said the Chicago decision is “not necessarily gonna to be a ‘yes’ or ‘no.’ There could be nuances to the decision that would impact what we may or may not have to do in the end.�

In December, the D.C. Council replaced its overturned law with new regulations that require gun owners to receive five hours of safety training and register their firearms every three years.

Gun owners would face criminal background checks every six years.

At the time, Daley hinted strongly that he intended to use the city’s home-rule power to mimic the D.C. changes.

But, Hoyle said Wednesday the city would await the Supreme Court ruling before establishing a fall-back position.

“Right now, we’re planning on fighting the battle and defending our ordinance in its current form,� she said.

Asked if Chicago has a “Plan B,� she said, “Assuming the worst case scenario — that they said the 2nd Amendment is applicable to cities and states — it wouldn’t necessarily prohibit us from having some kind of registration or some kind of monitoring of gun ownership or setting up some pre-requisite for it.�

Corporation Counsel Mara Georges was unavailable for comment on the Supreme Court ruling, having accompanied the mayor to Copenhagen for Friday's vote by the International Olympic Committee.

[Joeylc]

Starting Wednesday, Arizona citizens with a concealed weapons license can bring guns into bars.

It is no nod to the Grand Canyon State’s Wild West beginnings. It is part of a national trend.

Arizona will be the 41st state to let bar patrons pack heat (only if they’re not drinking alcohol, however). Meanwhile, the list of places where gun owners can bring their weapons is growing, as the gun lobby increases pressure on statehouses and Congress to broaden Second Amendment rights.

“The trend over the last 20 years is more freedom in most states for individuals to carry guns,� says Robert Cottrol, a law professor at George Washington University in Washington.

The issue took on even greater importance Wednesday when the US Supreme Court announced it will hear arguments as to whether a Chicago handgun ban violates the Second Amendment right to bear arms. The case could have implications for all local gun restrictions, which have been a central tenet of gun control.

Arizona

Arizona’s “guns in bars� law follows closely on the heels of its so-called “parking lot� law, which took effect Tuesday. It allows licensed gun owners to store guns in locked cars, even if they’re on someone else’s private property.

“Each person has the constitutional right to bear arms in order to defend themselves and their family while going about the normal course of their lives,� wrote Doug Little, the founder of the Armed Personal Defense Institute in Ariz., on his blog.

“The ‘parking lot law’ restores a right to an employee that their employer took away from them by prohibiting them from bringing a firearms with them to work and storing it in their vehicle,� he adds.

Congress

Beyond Arizona, Congress voted earlier this summer to allow concealed weapons in national parks. Last week, the Senate voted to allow guns in the checked baggage of Amtrak trains, despite warnings from the company that it would produce “numerous challenges.�

While guns are allowed in the checked luggage of airplanes, Amtrak has not allowed guns on broad its trains since 9/11.

“Americans should not have their Second Amendment rights restricted for any reason, particularly if they choose to travel on America’s federally subsidized rail line,� said Sen. Roger Wicker (R) of Mississippi in a statement.

Other states

In Arkansas, state Rep. Beverly Pyle proposed allowing guns inside places of worship earlier this year. It seems as though the state’s ban will stand, but the issue is percolating.

Ken Pagano, a pastor in Kentucky, in June sponsored a bring-your-guns-to-church day.

“God and guns were part of the foundation of this country,� Mr. Pagano told The New York Times.

Going forward, gun owners hope to make sure that no place will be off-limits.

“My guess is that too that the extent that there are restricted spaces, there will be a movement to push against that,� Professor Cottrol says.

[Joeylc]

<a href="http://www.metacafe.com/fplayer/95297/metacafe.swf" target="_blank">http://www.metacafe.com/fplayer/95297/metacafe.swf</a>

[tjkeller]

Now THAT was FUNNY!!! LOL!

"OK Sam so ???? ???? ???? whenever you're ready"
"Head, Lungs, Heart...obliterated...fantastic" 

[tjkeller]

Here's one sure to get you a good laugh!

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/seGVhlUw6xg&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/seGVhlUw6xg&rel=0</a>

[CaptainHappy]

I have been saving this new smiley, and I think now is appropriate!!!

K+ for the great laugh I got!

 

Here's one sure to get you a good laugh!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seGVhlUw6xg

[tacman]

Nice system and an interesting last statement made by the interviewee.

 Dan (tacman)

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/6nf1OgV449g&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/6nf1OgV449g&rel=0</a>

[Joeylc]

Look at what this guy is using for a back stop.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/kIlr3jf4VwE&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/kIlr3jf4VwE&rel=0</a>

[brichter]

The best thing about the video was the backstop.

Wet phone books don't come anywhere near the consistency of a live body, and using a +P+ for the 9 and a stock low pressure light bullet round for the .40 isn't anywhere near an even test. If you're gonna drive the .40 slow, use a 180gr bullet. 


And, I'll take the .40 any day. The ex preferred the 9 because the recoil was less, which (strangely enough) is the same reason my daughter likes the 9 better.

[stayouttadabunker]

I think he was leaning the waterlogged phones books against a Bally coin hopper...lol

You'll see it at about 1:30 seconds into it.