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[rickh]

We do carry open in AZ, anyone that wants to and passes the govt red tape to, ie legal to own a gun. If you dont want to, then you shouldnt and shouldnt be forced to. I carry almost daily when I am out running around, on the bike or in the truck. I doubt I scare anyone, other than some fool that may have eyeballed me for a crime. As for the concealed part of our right, currently the criminals are carrying concealed and no one is stopping them... this may even the field a bit. Also, come cooler weather where we have to put our jackets on, we become illegal when my pistol is concealed under the jacket. Might seem minor to a person not carrying, but that makes me a felon instantly. Now that problem goes away.

I would like you to give me some numbers.... the number of legal gun holders that randomly shoot people, or the number of us that have been involved in a home invasion, or maybe the number of us legal folks that have pulled off an armed robbery or carjacking. I sure aint hearing of them.

To make you feel even worse about us, we passed a law where you can carry in a bar now, or restraunt that serves booze.... as long as you arent drinking. That scared lots of folks and they foresaw gunfights in bars like the old west. Hasnt happened.... not one.

Now, as for the permit.... I do beleive in them as far as the training goes for use of a gun, and the laws involved with gun use in your State and federally. Otherwise, a permit is just "permission" to do what the 2nd admendment says you may do as a right. And the constitution doesnt meantion "open carry" or "concealed". Responsible people will do it right, and I prefer to assume more are responsible than not.

I have always wanted people to post signs on thier homes whether they have guns inside or not... here it is assumed you do more often than not.

[Joeylc]

I open carry daily !!!!  I want the little SOB's to see what they will get if they try to jack us.....  

[brichter]

That appears to be new... At least newer than what I've seen. .40 S&W is a good round...

[rickh]

I also have a Smith + Wesson .40 cal semiauto.... longer barrel than yours but lethal just the same. I also have a .380 pocket pistol, is great for on the bike. At the rally on June 5th in Phoenix, the vast majority had either 38 or 40 cal pistols on the hip.

While working in California, I found out while reading the gun laws that my clips for this pistol (bought in AZ) were illegal. They held 14 rounds each, and Calif only allows 10 rounds. So, on the off chance I was questioned, I went ahead and bought the 10 round or "California clips"..... $50 each!! What a racket these laws are. So now, I have 4 clips holding 14 each and 2 clips holding 10 each. If I miss with all those rounds, I shouldnt own this nice pistol.

[reho33]

There is a famous alledged gangster that is my next door neighbor, God help the person that breaks into his house looking for crack money..............

[tacman]

Bill, I think you're right. I remember seeing a black gun the last time I was at the shop. Nice weapon, Joey. The .40 has  better knockdown than the 9mm but the .45 with +P is a real winner! At least thats what I've heard, I just have a .22 short single shot rifle.    Hard to reload that single shot with these sausage fingers! 

 Dan (tacman)

[rickh]

Let's see if this works....

The first picture is my .380 and its 6 round clip.

Second picture is the S+W .40 cal semi-auto with the california clip.... see the line on the clip, it wont load rounds beyond that.

[Buzz]

Bill, I think you're right. I remember seeing a black gun the last time I was at the shop. Nice weapon, Joey. The .40 has  better knockdown than the 9mm but the .45 with +P is a real winner! At least thats what I've heard, I just have a .22 short single shot rifle.    Hard to reload that single shot with these sausage fingers! 

 Dan (tacman)

Boy the BS sure is getting deep   

[StatFreak]

Bill, I think you're right. I remember seeing a black gun the last time I was at the shop. Nice weapon, Joey. The .40 has  better knockdown than the 9mm but the .45 with +P is a real winner! At least thats what I've heard, I just have a .22 short single shot rifle.    Hard to reload that single shot with these sausage fingers! 

 Dan (tacman)

Boy the BS sure is getting deep   

I've heard that mafia hit men prefer those sawed-off .22 single shot rifles: they're great for killing rats.  

Of course, having to shoot one knee cap at a time can be really lame...      
And getting shot with the .22 doesn't really hurt the rat; it just makes him squeal louder.        

[tacman]

Ah, a sawed off .22, the plush carpeting of a Caddy trunk and a vacation at the airport parking lot.  What more can ya ask for? 

 Dan (tacman)

[stayouttadabunker]

Ah, a sawed off .22, the plush carpeting of a Caddy trunk and a vacation at the airport parking lot.  What more can ya ask for? 

 Dan (tacman)

A ski mask? 

[Joeylc]

An armed man is a Citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.

A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.

Gun Control is not about guns; it’s about control.

If guns cause crime, then cameras cause pornography.

Free Men should not have to ask permission to bear arms.

If you don’t know your Rights you don’t have any.

Those who trade Liberty for security have neither.

The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.

What part of “shall not be infringed� do you not understand?

The Second Amendment is in place in case they ignore the others.

Guns only have two enemies: rust and Liberals.

Know guns, know peace and safety. No guns, no peace nor safety.

If you want peace, prepare for war.

Peace through superior firepower.

Call 911: Government sponsored Dial-a-Prayer.

Assault is a type of behavior, not a type of hardware.

Criminals love gun control – it makes their jobs easier and safer.

Only a government that is afraid of its citizens tries to control them.

You only have the Rights you are willing to fight for.

The American Revolution wasn’t about tea and taxes – it was about taking guns!

Gun control is hitting what you aim at.

The pen is mightier than the sword – unless you are in a swordfight!

Those who live by the sword have a fighting chance.

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don’t.

Blaming a gun for crime is like blaming a fork for Rosie O’Donnell for being FAT!

My Gun? I’d rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

Firearm safety – It’s a matter for education, not legislation.

The day they want my guns they’ll have to bring theirs.

An armed society is a polite society.

Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.

How can you praise freedom, and condemn that which gains and preserves it?

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.

Shooting. The only sport endorsed by the Founding Fathers.

My wife and my gun: ’til death do us part.

When they come for your guns, give them the ammo first!

If you are free to be a liberal – thank a man with a gun!

Ted Kennedy’s car has killed more people than my gun!

Guns are smart enough. We need smarter politicians.

Bolt actions speak louder than words.

Gun control… it’s not a new idea… Just a bad one!

The D.C. Gun Ban works – just ask James Brady.

When seconds count, the cops are just minutes away… 

[jay]

I have no issue with the second admendment except that there are too many kids, and immature idiots with guns. People who have never had the opportunity to fire a gun safely are just itching to pull that trigger like a big toy. What has changed from the 1800's is that every kid went hunting with their fathers bringing home dinner or some vermon to make a hat. In todays world there is no opportunity to teach such life skills  Ideally I would like to see constripted military service where the proper respect for a gun is taught, so when you are released from service you have the disipline and respect for your sidearm. Switzerland does this and it works. They might even understand the cost of Freedom.

[Joeylc]

constripted military service where the proper respect for a gun is taught, so when you are released from service you have the disipline and respect for your sidearm. Switzerland does this and it works. They might even understand the cost of Freedom.

works for me

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/yiD2aCb5-5g&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/yiD2aCb5-5g&rel=0</a>

[StatFreak]

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Ideally I would like to see constripted military service where the proper respect for a gun is taught, so when you are released from service you have the disipline and respect for your sidearm. Switzerland does this and it works. They might even understand the cost of Freedom.

I was going to mention Israel, but Joey beat me to it. I never felt uncomfortable in civilian locations amongst armed Israeli soldiers. But then, it's a very different culture in a very different part of the world...

and dayum, those are some fine women in that video! 




                    
This is not directed towards anyone in particular, it’s just a rant. After all, this is the rants and raves section.

If you could possibly imagine living in a United States a bit smaller than the size of New Jersey (8,000 sq.mi.), and on the shore as NJ is, surrounded by your enemies, who occupy most of the rest of the continental U.S. AND Canada (6,145,000 sq.mi. or 1²/₃ times the size of the current U.S.), who have sworn your destruction, it might help to put things into perspective.

If you could imagine living with terrorism as a way of life, not just one giant occurrence that happened almost nine years ago that you keep referring back to, but regular weekly occurrences that have gone on for decades, then that might help you put things into perspective.

If you can imagine being resolute enough to ignore the constant threat of terrorism and go proudly about your life, never fearing to go someplace public because of the very real threat of a bomb, and not having your fears fed by a hysterical news media that "blows" everything out of proportion and beats every story to death, then you might be able to put things into perspective.

Oh, and every time your giant neighbor enemies declare war on your little country and you kick their butt, the world demands that you return the land that you won in the war that you didn't start back to your enemies. AND if that's not enough, the local inhabitants of your own country who are of your enemy's descent demand that you give up more of the precious little land you've got so that they can form yet ANOTHER nation of your enemies within your midst -- and the world agrees with them and is pressuring you to do so! Can anyone born and raised in the U.S. relate to that?

Imagine having to give up a quarter or more of your "New Jersey" to your surrounding enemy’s "Russia" (6,145,000 sq. mi. is about 93% the size of Russia) because the world feels sorry for the displaced aliens in your country and feels that they have a right to some of your "New Jersey" instead having the "Russians" give them a piece of one of their giant countries.

Of course, you've got a couple of things going for you. Your enemies are divided amongst themselves, and some of them even declare war on one another. You have the support of a very powerful nation – coincidentally about the size of the U.S. – who helps to keep you well armed. You are typically much more industrious than your enemies and have pioneered ways of making a garden out of a desert using very little water and resources. You are a free nation on the cutting edge of technology, and you don’t repress your women – you arm them! Your nation’s people have been kicked around by the rest of the world for more than two-thousand years and have survived – so you’re a scrappy bunch! Your country, as tiny as it is, is the first place you’ve had in more than two-thousand years to call your own, and you’ll fight for it with everything you’ve got.

That's a small perspective on Israel.


<EDIT> Here's a map that helps to put it in perspective. Get out your magnifying glass to see Israel. Step back from your screen to see the Arab countries.

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[bronconut7]

I must say Stat, that was very well put into perspective.  I like the map as a simple and quick look at the realities of the "intrusion" by Israel.  You do well on that soap box.     I only hope that ally of theirs that is the size of the U.S. continues to support them, and would even stop pushing them to concede and stop acting as if they know better than they on how to survive.  Good rant!!  I like it!!!   

[stayouttadabunker]

What you've stated Stat is pretty much right on the money.
I'm pretty much geographically literate so I understand why you put up the map of the surrounding area.
Out here on the east coast, many people in Manhattan, NY have never traveled
further than the edge of Connecticut their entire lives.
They basically get around via subways, taxi's and trains.
It's funny watching the Jay Leno show ( Shows taped out in Cali.) when they interview people
on the street and ask them what the capital of New York is and they answer "Brooklyn"...

On another note, I suspect those Israeli military women paint bullet tips rather than their nails ...

[StatFreak]

...
On another note, I suspect those Israeli military women paint bullet tips rather than their nails ...

Oh, this is classic!   K++++ Bunker.

NO THEY DON'T    How odd that you would bring that up, as I was just reminiscing to CH yesterday about how my cousin would come home each night from her army post and worry about her nails being chipped and the state of her nail polish and makeup.     




BTW, this was a long time ago, but back then, she would have fit right into Joey's posted video. She was definitely a 19 year old hottie back then.

[stayouttadabunker]

lol....regarding the bullet painting procedures:
My suspicious suspicions are definitely unconfirmed at this time....

[StatFreak]

On a more serious note, the last time I visited Israel was in August 2001 to attend a family wedding, right before 9/11 -- I almost didn't make it home. (Remember that all of the air traffic in the U.S. was stopped after the attack.)

While there, I wanted to visit the old city of Jerusalem since I had not seen it in many years. Not one of our group of visiting family members (from the U.S., England, and Canada) would go because they were scared of the terrorist attacks. My Israeli aunt and I traveled there by public bus and spent the day playing tourist. Sure enough, a bomb went off about a block from where we were having lunch. We did not panic, but simply got up and headed off in the opposite direction of the explosion - with my pita and shawarma in tow.  (Hey, why waste a perfectly good shawarma sandwich?   )


 Terrorist tip # 473½:  When an event occurs, DON'T go to see what happened.


Later on we learned that the explosion had been a small car bomb detonated solely for the purpose of luring a crowd to the location, where a second larger bomb was set to explode 15 or 20 minutes later with the intent of killing everyone in the crowd who had gathered. Fortunately the larger bomb failed to detonate and no one was seriously injured.

Was I sorry that I went? Heck no! I had a great day, was the only visiting western family member who got to see the old city again, and I got to spend some quality time with my aunt. Was I rattled? Nope. Maybe I would have been had I been only a hundred meters away, but as it was, not in the least.

[Joeylc]

lol....regarding the bullet painting procedures:
My suspicious suspicions are definitely unconfirmed at this time....

For most modern bullet tips, I've seen the following color codes:
Black = Armor Piercing (AP)
Black Tip/Red Band = Armor Piercing Incendiary (API)
Magenta Tip/Red Band = Armor Piercing Incendiary Tracer (APIT)
Sea-Green = Raufoss/High Explosive Incendiary (HEI)
Red/Orange Tip = Red Tracer or Incendiary
Green Tip = Green Tracer
 

[tjkeller]

Sea-Green = Raufoss/High Explosive Incendiary (HEI)

 

[Joeylc]

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/YDqyVObDOzA&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/YDqyVObDOzA&rel=0</a>

[rickh]

Joey, our concealed carry w/out a permit kicks in this Thursday the 29th....

[Joeylc]

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