Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

[rickh]

Yep... this is also part of the complaints out there, esp here in AZ..... once you figure out how to work the system, its easy.

[Joeylc]

Ariz. Deputy Shot; Illegal Immigrants Suspected

(PHOENIX) — A veteran sheriff's deputy was shot and wounded Friday after encountering a group of suspected illegal immigrants who apparently had been hauling bales of marijuana along a major smuggling corridor in the Arizona desert — a violent episode that comes amid a heated national debate over immigration.

State and federal law enforcement agencies deployed helicopters and scores of officers in pursuit of the suspects after the deputy was shot with an AK-47 on Friday afternoon, and the search continued into the night. Deputy Louie Puroll, 53, had a chunk of skin torn from just above his left kidney, but the wound was not serious. He was released Friday night from Casa Grande Regional Medical Center.

The shooting was likely to add fuel to an already fiery national debate sparked last week by the signing of an Arizona law aimed at cracking down on illegal immigration in the state.

Puroll was found in the desert after a frantic hourlong search, suffering from a gunshot wound, Pinal County sheriff's Lt. Tamatha Villar said. The 15-year department veteran had been performing smuggling interdiction work before finding the bales of marijuana and encountering the five suspected illegal immigrants, two armed with rifles.

"He was out on his routine daily patrol in the area when he encountered a load of marijuana out in the desert. He obviously confronted the individuals and took fire," Villar told The Associated Press. "I was speaking with him just a bit ago, and he's doing fantastic."

The deputy was alone about five miles from a rest stop along Interstate 8, about halfway between Phoenix and Tucson. The area is a well-known smuggling corridor for drugs and illegal immigrants headed from Mexico to Phoenix and the U.S. interior.

"Over the past 12 months we've seen an increase in the amount of drugs, and an increase in violence that has been going on in this particular corridor," Villar told KPNX.

"We've had increasing concerns in this area about being outmanned and outgunned, and unfortunately this evening, this is coming true," she added.

The shooting came as Arizona grapples with backlash over its enactment of a tough new law targeting illegal immigration. Civil rights activists, concerned the law will lead to racial profiling, have called for a boycott of the state.

The law signed by Gov. Jan Brewer last week is supported by many in the state, which has become a major gateway for drug smuggling and human trafficking from Mexico.

Its passage came amid increasing anger in Arizona about violence, drug smugglers, drop houses and other problems caused by poor border security.

Villar said the search for the suspects involved numerous helicopters from state and federal law enforcement agencies and scores of officers near Interstate 8 and Arizona 84 about 50 miles south of Phoenix.

"The deputy is a search-and-rescue deputy, so its not uncommon for them to work those areas A) looking for drugs and B) looking for people who need assistance out there," Villar said. "Obviously its a high-traffic area for drug- and human-smuggling."
 

[rickh]

I was just gonna post about this.... not good, esp now. With all the rallies happening tomorow there aint no telling what the news will be tomorow.

A month ago, coming back from San Diego, we saw a van pull over and a few dozen men ran up from the desert and pile into the van, with backpacks.... I called 911 and gave my location but never heard of a big bust of anyone. If I were alone, I may have followed them... as it was, it spooked the wife. She asked 2 questions... were they illegals?..... and do you have your gun? I said yes and yes. That was in the same vicinity of todays shooting.

[89chevyman]

Wasn't going to join in this discussion, but felt like throwing in my two cents since everyone is being fair and balanced. I agree that the politicians are going to have to get off there collective butts and start doing something. Seems like this law is just the catalyst to do it. Other states are wanting to follow Arizona's' lead now, which tells me they are just as Fed (sorry had to do that) up with the way the government has just turned a blind eye to the border situation and illegal aliens. Sheriff Joe is continuing Drop House raids and showing that there is a MAJOR problem here. Today I heard a news report on my way home, that a Pima County Deputy was shot by suspected drug smugglers, along the border, with an AK47. Then right after that report, an opponent of this new law stated the law would be keeping law enforcement from doing their jobs and protecting the public' safety. I certainly hope the deputy wasn't profiling these fine upstanding (citizens?) when he made his stop because of suspicious activity, guess we don't need that new law after all. These folks should have been allowed to come into this country with their drugs and AK47s without being harassed/"profiled".                                 
   For those who do not read this new law, completely, they will more than likely spin what they hear secondhand, see or read in the media because that's what they want to believe. I would lay odds that most of the protesters have not read and understood what the law requires of law enforcement.  That's fine, because, thank God, we are allowed the freedom to express our opinions in this country. An officer has the right to stop you and ask for ID if you are VIOLATING A LAW or are SUSPECT in criminal behavior. This goes for ANYONE in this state or country. If you cannot provide that information, he will investigate further to ascertain if you may be a criminal with outstanding warrants or, in the case of a traffic stop, are driving ILLEGALLY (suspended/revoked drivers license, no current registration, no proof of insurance, etc.)under the influence or conducting illegal business(drug selling/buying, transporting illegals, etc.) This has always been done prior to this new law and it won't change. The only difference is that he MAY ask what country you were born in if you cannot provide any proof of who you are. If you are unable to provide enough truthful information to be run in an NCIC search to prove who you are and you don't speak English. And in an all too common traffic stop, you have no drivers license, no other proof of ID, no proof of insurance, no registration and you don't speak English. It doesn't matter if you're white, black, brown, Asian etc., if you can't provide this type of information or legitimate ID you are going to be detained. ANYONE can be arrested/detained until it can be determined you are who you say you are, either in the field or in the jail. It's basically up to you to provide truthful information, when asked by law enforcement, in order to avoid the worse case scenario. Trust me, I booked many a person with these same circumstances. I usually found out who they were quickly once they told the truth, most (99%) stayed in my jail until they went to court or INS picked them up. This has NOTHING to do with profiling, it has to do with the LAW. If you are breaking the law, you must suffer the consequences. The law is the Federal or State. Profiling is a word used by people that are in fear and if you are here legally, you have nothing to fear. Go to any other country and try to stay there for any length of time without THEIR documentation and see what happens. Most of the time it means deportation and or jail. If you're in Mexico for more that 180 days (illegally) without a Mexican visa,  you will be deported, do it again and it's 2 years in a Mexican prison. You must have a passport to be in their country, if you plan on working there, you have to apply for a work visa(that's kind of an oxymoron).
   In closing I just want to say, I am tired of paying for the ILLEGALS in this country. It's time to put a stop to this bleeding. The people trying to become citizens of this great country legally, I applaud you   What gives the illegals the right to step into this country, cut in front of the ones trying to do right, taking their jobs and not having to pay their fair share? 

[brichter]

A driver's license is not proof of citizenship.

I have read and understand what the law requires. The law does not state that law enforcement can request proof of citizenship only if the subject is detained or arrested for another matter. It says law enforcement can demand this as part of any lawful contact.

Article 8 section B:

B. FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY
21 OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS
22 STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS
23 UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE,
24 WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON. THE
25 PERSON'S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE VERIFIED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
26 PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1373(c).



I agree with the intent of the law, I do not agree with the implementation. I'm less worried about a LEO who profiles than a LEO who does not, and, under the guise of not profiling uses this law as an excuse to engage in what is known in legal parlance as a "fishing expedition" against anyone he sees fit.

I've known many law enforcement personnel over my almost 5 decades on this planet, and most are honest, hardworking people who believe in what they do and the responsibility that comes with it. I've also known some that for whatever reason, abuse the power entrusted to them, some in very heinous and devious ways. The law enforcement community is like any other group in society, made up of both good and bad members.

This law was not written to prevent abuse, because of this it must be either rewritten or discarded.

Remember:"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

[rickh]

Solutions? Any ideas, besides this new law, on how to solve the problem thats been going on for a generation or two? Might be interesting to see other ideas.

[tacman]

Well, the answer is MONEY and the solution is twofold, as Stat stated earlier, put the pressure on employers. State and Feds do NOT allow anyone illegal to get ANY benefits from the government, an instant SSN check for employers to see if a valid Social Security is presented and then HUGE fines for empoyers for hiring illegals, I mean fines that would actually close the business. No workee, no stayee. And as I've seen with terrorism, the people from the same ethnicity and culture seem to sympathize and hide these people. How do you address that?

 Dan (tacman)

[bkoch]

Well here is my two cents. What make this so hard for us as legal slaves to out over bloated government run by absolute morons I could not trust to balance my checkbook. Is to separate the issue with illegal migration. There is a racial thing where we are in fear off entire cities being over run by ideas and culture different than ours. Yes this has happened all over California however there is always a new cities to move to. The biggest problem to me is the financial impact these converted cities pose on the city and state resources. Since removing these individuals will and has only resulted with even more coming we need to understand that tying to stop illegals is like tying to stop drug lords from selling drugs. Even if you get one them there 10000000000000 waiting to take that mans position. It's kind of like trying stop the all the waves from coming on shore with a single Styrofoam cup.

Now that we know this is happening and any attempts to stop it would be a further waist on our city and state resources. What can be done to turn this negative resource into a positive one. My thought on this would be to create a work visa where instead of the illegals paying a drug lord or coyotes huge amounts of money to get here we charge that same amount of money for a work 6 month work visa. This money would go right back into general fund for our criminal politicians to waist. Now since they are visiting they are not entitled the same benefits as a US citizen. They may receive a driver license if they pass the test and pay for it. The license could only be issued if a insurance policy was issued at same time for the entire length of the visa. If you fail to pay the insurance you may return your license or if you keep driving you risk having you visa revoked and escorted out of the country . However the license is only valid for the length of the work visa. When the visa runs out so does license. Durning the time you are legally here if you choose to nationalize your self you may start the process. Step in line pay more fees and wait your turn. Also since you are a visitor you are not entitled to vote. If you get arrested for a felony you are deported immediately with no chance of another work visa. If you are caught here again your fist time sentence would be 5 years imprisonment the second would be worse.

Back to what you as a visitor are not entitled you are not entitled free room and board. You are not entitled welfare since you are here with the sol intent of getting a job then either becoming a citizen or going home. If your kid is born here you may chose to pay the registration fee to apply for citizen ship. However the kid is not to be considered a full citizen until all the burden cost of having that kid on US soil are paid for in full without welfare. Special organization may donate money as long as they are not state run. Otherwise he is just you kid. if you default on any financial burdens your visa will not be renewed and any law regarding illegal residence will be followed remember you are a guest here.

most important in order to get a visa you must pass a test, swear a oath to our country and pay the fee before entering.

Just making this subtle change to our over burdened set of laws would make a lot of resources available for our corrupt politicians to steal at the same time handling the the huge cost of harboring illegals.

Any one what to here my thoughts on drugs?

Have a great day

Blake for office 2012  

[brichter]

Solution?

Get the federal government to handle their domestic responsibilities instead if pissing away our tax money on special interests and misguided plans to further the corporate interests that got us to where we are in the first place.

If Arizona does manages to impact the influx of illegal aliens into this country, we are all painfully aware that the illegals will just change their infiltration points to neighboring states... who are similarly ill-equipped to guard their entire borders with Mexico. This is eminently the feds' bailiwick, as the responsibility for covering the national border which encompasses 4 of our states falls completely upon them.


 
The federal government has become the quintessential micromanager, leaving their responsibilities languishing in the corner while it pokes it's nose into matters best handled at the individual state level, and at the same time gives the states very little return (as a whole) on the money paid in taxes. The amount of waste at the federal level is incredible, and the amount of money business has been able to suck out lately is sickening.

At the same time, out infrastructure is failing and citizens are in dire need of assistance, but the money that could be used for that assistance is being pumped overseas and into Wall Street instead of helping WE THE PEOPLE, who should be the recipients of these funds.

<added for bkoch's response while I was typing my "War And Peace"   >

We have work visas, that's one of the most abused programs we have , both for H1B and L1 visas. As an engineer in the tech industry, I have many friends who are unemployed, while the corporations are screaming that they need massive amounts of work visas because there are no "qualified" workers currently in this country, while the unemployment rate here is ~12%, and that's pretty much all we do in this area.Their main qualification for these workers seems to be the reduced salaries they can pay to the H1B and L1 workers, because I've worked with plenty, and seen good citizen engineers shown the door while keeping the absolute bottom of the barrel visa workers.

You touch on a lot of points I agree with though.

<edit for tacman's response to Stat>

I agree the major pressure should be put on the employers, but how realistic is it to expect that, when those companies are the ones buying the politicians that would draft the laws to make it possible? that's the reason we haven't been able to accomplish this already.

[rickh]

good discussion.... too bad you guys dont live nearby, we could have a few beers and do this in person.

I am not as concerned with those here and comfy for years.... as I am with those breaking in now and wreeking havoc. Those ones I want to stop and boot outta here or lock up, legal or not. Period.

I think this new law has done part of its job.... it woke people up on both sides of the argument.... and many are showing thier true colors (present company excluded). The May Day rallies today may show more true colors, we will see.

On a brighter note, the deputy shot in the desert south of here is home and healing up. No word on the shooters yet, but they are still looking. I assume they are holed up in a drop house by now in West Phoenix.

[brichter]

good discussion.... too bad you guys dont live nearby, we could have a few beers and do this in person.

I am not as concerned with those here and comfy for years.... as I am with those breaking in now and wreeking havoc. Those ones I want to stop and boot outta here or lock up, legal or not. Period.

I think this new law has done part of its job.... it woke people up on both sides of the argument.... and many are showing thier true colors (present company excluded). The May Day rallies today may show more true colors, we will see.

On a brighter note, the deputy shot in the desert south of here is home and healing up. No word on the shooters yet, but they are still looking. I assume they are holed up in a drop house by now in West Phoenix.

I'm down to Joey's every year for the July 4th BBQ, and usually at least once more in the around New Year's for some epic desert riding in the winter. Stop on by, we'll hoist a couple cold ones! 

I'm concerned with every illegal here, whether they've been here for years or not. Surprisingly enough, so is almost every legal immigrant I know (and that's a lot, from just about every country on this planet).

As far as the shooters, it's more likely they're a couple hundred yards south of the border, thumbing their nose at our law enforcement agencies.

[rickh]

Brichter... let me know anytime you guys are around AZ.... and if near Mesa, we can come here. Hell, who knows what I will have here over the next few months.... the beer is cold, pool will be warm, and wifey loves to cook.

And I will look into meeting you at Joeys...

[Joeylc]

Arizona governor signs bill revising new immigration law

Gov. Jan Brewer on Friday signed a bill modifying Arizona's controversial new immigration law, saying it will "make it crystal clear and undeniable that racial profiling is illegal."

The governor's signature on House Bill 2162 modifies a measure signed into law by Brewer last week that requires police to inquire about the immigration status of anyone they reasonably suspect to be in the country illegally. Barring a successful legal challenge, the law goes into effect July 29.

HB 2162 bars race from being considered when deciding whether to inquire about a person's status, "except to the extent permitted by the United States or Arizona Constitution."

The bill also clarifies that law-enforcement officers shall inquire about the immigration status only of those they "stop, detain or arrest." The earlier bill simply said "contact." The change is designed to allay fears that officers would have to examine the papers of anyone they spoke to, including crime victims and witnesses.

"These changes specifically answer legal questions raised by some who expressed fears that the original law would somehow allow or lead to racial profiling," Brewer said in a statement.

To date, three lawsuits have been filed against the new immigration law, arguing that it is unconstitutional and will encourage racial profiling.

The changes came a week after Brewer signed Senate Bill 1070, a measure that has polarized residents and reignited the national debate over immigration policy. The law makes it a state crime to be in the country illegally.

HB 2162 also specifies that a law-enforcement officer would be required to determine the immigration status of a person involved in a municipal or county code violation. The change led to speculation that municipal code-enforcement officers might be required to inquire about residents' legal status, which the Governor's Office denied Friday.

"Police officers only," Brewer spokesman Paul Senseman said in an e-mail.

Kris Kobach, a Kansas law professor who helped craft the language in HB 2162, said in an e-mail that only law-enforcement officers certified by the Arizona Police Officer Standards and Training Board would be subject to the requirements.

Cities were still reviewing the new language Friday, and officials largely avoided comment. Ken Strobeck, executive director of the Arizona League of Cities and Towns, said that, in his view, HB 2162 does not represent an expansion or toughening of SB 1070.

Phoenix Police Chief Jack Harris blasted the immigration
measures at a news conference Friday, saying they are unenforceable and will result in lawsuits against police officers no matter what they do. SB 1070 allows citizens to sue municipalities and law-enforcement agencies if they "limit or restrict" the enforcement of immigration laws
.

Democrats in the state's House of Representatives criticized HB 2162 on Friday for what they called "an incredible broadening of the law," citing the language permitting immigration-status inquiries for city-code violations.

State Rep. Kyrsten Sinema said she fears residents will be deported over barking dogs or overgrown lawns.

"These are not criminal acts - these are minor city issues," said Sinema, D-Phoenix.

Senseman told The Arizona Republic that changes to the law involving municipal ordinances do not represent a broadening of its powers, but merely clarify the original intent of the language.

"What we were always talking about and have always been talking about are things like discharging firearms, alcoholic beverages in the park or speeding in a school zone," he said.

During an interview with Channel 12 (KPNX) on Friday morning, Brewer again spoke out against those who are critical of the legislation.

"There's hysteria out there, and people need to take a breath and see what our laws actually say, read them and understand them," Brewer said. "Our law mirrors federal law. So, why is it bad for Arizona to mirror federal law? No one was crying out in the wilderness about the federal law being wrong or racial profiling. I don't get it. It's spin."

[Joeylc]

Mexico's immigration laws:

Article 67 of Mexico's Population Law says, "Authorities, whether federal, state or municipal ...
are required to demand that foreigners prove their legal presence in the country, before attending to any issues."

Talk about hypocrites...  

[brichter]

It is good that they addressed the exact issue I had a problem with, that being the "lawful contact" issue. I was actually pissed off about that, let me tell a little story about this type of encounter...

When I was down at Joeys almost a year and a half ago, some lowlife cut the chain securing my loading ramp, a gas can, and both my daughter's and my dirt bikes in the back of my truck, and stole the full 5 gallon gas can. They returned later with a van, but decided against stealing both our motorcycles, probably because it was still light out.

When I reported the crime, like any good citizen should, the first thing the officer did is take my license and run me for warrants through NCIC.   Here I am trying to help them clean up the community, and the only thing they're interested in is seeing if I have a warrant!  

All I could say is WTF???    I've been robbed, and the only action this idiot can think of is to see if he can arrest ME??   No wonder people don't ever want to talk to the police after witnessing or being the victim of a crime, the first thing the cops do is treat the victim like a criminal! That is NOT how you gain the public's trust! If someone has been the victim of a crime, the last thing the police should be doing is making them feel like they better not report it or they could go to jail.

That's why most crimes go unreported, and most witnesses say they didn't see anything! Then the cops snivel about how hard it is to solve crimes when the witnesses aren't willing to come forward, and the victims won't report it.

[rickh]

That would piss me off too.... I would probly get in trouble argueing with the cop. We have trouble up there currently, mostly in Kingman.... gang task force messing with Harley riders wearing patches.... any patches, not just club patches. Word is that they are threatening the liquer licenses of the bars letting motorcycle clubs in. We are still monitoring this... and it is profiling.

Demonstrations in Phoenix were a bust yesterday.... 1000+ showed up.

[brichter]

Up here in San Francisco, 3 supporters of deterring illegal immigration were beaten by supporters of illegal immigration.

This does not surprise me. What will be telling is what liberal San Francisco will do when the case goes to court.

[rickh]

there is a movement here to offer illegals bus tickets to San Fran, since the mayor there wants them....

[rdaniel]

I am both a Californian and a moderate democrat and I strongly support the Arizona immigration legislation. The law is still the law, whether the lovers of illegal aliens like it or not. If illegals are afraid of being stopped and asked for identification then they should go back to Mexcio, simple as that.

[reho33]

Ya know, Joey had a good point ...........if you sneak into Mexico illegally, they arrest you, and possible give you an ass wooping. They have a problem with Salvadorians, Guatemalans, and other Central American types, just like we allegedly have a problem with Mexicans! So does Mexico have the right idea, maybe.

[rickh]

I gotta buy that bike mounted flagpole, to run a big USA flag when I ride..... that and a few more stickers should get me some attention.

[rickh]

back stickers

[Joeylc]

Mexico's Illegals Laws Tougher than Arizona's

Monday, May 03, 2010 - By: Jerry Seper


Mexican President Felipe Calderon denounced as "racial discrimination" an Arizona law giving state and local police the authority to arrest suspected illegal immigrants and vowed to use all means at his disposal to defend Mexican nationals against a law he called a "violation of human rights."

But the legislation, signed April 23 by Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer, is similar to Reglamento de la Ley General de Poblacion — the General Law on Population enacted in Mexico in April 2000, which mandates that federal, local and municipal police cooperate with federal immigration authorities in that country in the arrests of illegal immigrants.

Under the Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony, punishable by up to two years in prison. Immigrants who are deported and attempt to re-enter can be imprisoned for 10 years. Visa violators can be sentenced to six-year terms. Mexicans who help illegal immigrants are considered criminals.

The law also says Mexico can deport foreigners who are deemed detrimental to "economic or national interests," violate Mexican law, are not "physically or mentally healthy" or lack the "necessary funds for their sustenance" and for their dependents.

"This sounds like the kind of law that a rational nation would have to protect itself against illegal immigrants — that would stop and punish the very people who are violating the law," said Rep. Steve King of Iowa, ranking Republican on the House Judiciary subcommittee on immigration, citizenship, refugees, border security and international law.

"Why would Mr. Calderon have any objections to an Arizona law that is less draconian than his own, one he has pledged to enforce?" Mr. King said.

Sen. Jon Kyl of Arizona, the ranking Republican on the Senate Judiciary subcommittee on terrorism and homeland security, described Mr. Calderon's comments as "hypocritical to say the least."

[Joeylc]

   

I saw this comparison in a comment and thought it really makes a point.  The person commenting said pass it on, so here it is.

Arizona is so on track to enforce an existing Federal Law that the current administration turns a blind eye on for the votes!

Please Read to the End,,,,

JOE LEGAL vs. JOSE ILLEGAL

You have two families: “Joe Legal� and “Jose Illegal�.
Both families have two parents, two children, and live in California .

Joe Legal works in construction, has a Social Security Number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.

Jose Illegal also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash “under the table�.

Ready? Now pay attention…

Joe Legal: $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week, or $52,000.00 per year. Now take 30% away for state and federal tax; Joe Legal now has $31,231.00.

Jose Illegal: $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00 per week, or $31,200.00 per year. Jose Illegal pays no taxes. Jose Illegal now has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $24,031.00.

Jose Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state and local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or welfare. Joe Legal pays $500.00 per month for food, or $6,000.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $18,031.00.

Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps and welfare. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays rent of $1,200.00 per month, or $14,400.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $9,631.00.

Jose Illegal receives a $500.00 per month federal rent subsidy. Jose Illegal pays out that $500.00 per month, or $6,000.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $ 31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays $200.00 per month, or $2,400.00 for insurance. Joe Legal now has $7,231.00.

Jose Illegal says, “We don’t need no stinkin’ insurance!� and still has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal has to make his $7,231.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, etc.

Jose Illegal has to make his $31,200.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, and what he sends out of the country every month.

Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work.

Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.

Joe Legal’s and Jose Illegal’s children both attend the same school. Joe Legal pays for his children’s lunches while Jose Illegal’s children get a government sponsored lunch. Jose Illegal’s children have an after school ESL program. Joe Legal’s children go home.

Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same police and fire services, but Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay.

Do you get it, now?

If you vote for or support any politician that supports illegal aliens…

You are part of the problem!

It’s way PAST time to take a stand for America and Americans!

What are you waiting for? Pass it on.

[rickh]

very good.. passing it on.