Ohio, take note (slots in a sort of weird way)

[reho33]

This article claims that slots (real Vegas slot S+, S2000) converted to "skill stop" (they claim not-pachislo). Anyway, here is the article:

A New Jersey company is testing a new type of slot machine in Ohio gas stations that the company says are legal because winning is based totally on skill.

The machines marketed by Reel Vegas Slots have been placed in eight Spee-D-Foods gas stations in Akron and Canton. Jim, have you seen these?

Flanders, N.J.-based company devised the game by converting real slot machines taken from Atlantic City. But while traditional slots use computer chips to decide winners, players must manually stop three spinning reels on the new machines to win.

"The machine doesn't determine the outcome," said Mark Anton, one of the owners of Reel Vegas Slots.

Winners also won't get cash, but instead redeem earnings for gas, phone cards, food and other items, including iPods and big-screen televisions.

Customers bet 25 cents, 50 cents or 75 cents a spin, with a chance to win up to $500.



Reel Vegas Slots hopes to expand into Cleveland, Columbus and Cincinnati. Spee-D-Foods installed the machines to attract potential customers, said company vice president Mark Grovemiller.

"Our business is down right now and the gas margins have been mediocre at best," he said. "Credit card fees are up. We are looking at anything to keep the stores open."

Spee-D-Foods installed the machines about six weeks ago and has already handed out four $125 prizes.

Police say they don't know if the machines are legal but will investigate.

Anton said the machines require excellent hand-eye coordination to stop the reels. Grovemiller said his company has too much to lose by installing illegal equipment.

Earlier this month, Beulah Park, a Columbus horse racetrack, pulled computer terminals that authorities said violated a state ban on true slot machines. Prosecutors have also sued a west side Columbus restaurant for installing the same types of machines that Beulah Park had.

Gov. Ted Strickland tried last year to place video slot machines at Ohio's racetracks to raise close to $1 billion to help balance the budget. The Ohio Supreme Court shot down the idea, agreeing with opponents who said it should have gone on the ballot.
(Copyright ©2010 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

COMMENT: I don't believe the above is accurate because : a) no RNG would be in the machine 2) if the RNG is present, hitting the STOP button just makes the outcome show up faster, instead of waiting 15 seconds for the reels to stop. That is why pachislos are not "skill based".

[Brianzz]

I guess this doesn't apply to them

About Reel Vegas Slots

Reel Vegas Slots, Inc. Offers Casino Slot Machines Sales and Service. Discount Prices on all Slot Machines

And not only is it just a slot machine with stop buttons, it also cheat you out of money, if you'll read the interesting part starting at the end of page 2

http://www.double-d-gaming.com/images/DD_RWB7sOpinionCA053007%5B1%5D.pdf

Please note that the player must stop all three of the spinning reels to receive entitlement to
any winning reel combinations. If the player fails to stop any of the spinning reels, the reels
will “time-out� after approximately 10 seconds and return the players’ money for game play.
If the player stops one or two of the spinning reels, but does not stop all of the spinning reels,
the game outcome will result in a loss regardless of the symbols displayed on the reels. Thus
the player’s actions to stop the spinning reels affect the outcome of the game. A failure to
participate in the stopping of all three spinning reels will result in either the return or loss of
credits played, but under no circumstances will the game outcome be determined by the
machine.

[Bettor Slots]

Yeah I read about this in the paper and it was even on the evening news.  So far they are letting them ride with no contest but it's just a matter of time and they will be impounded.

Here's another interesting tid-bit for ya.  I received an email from JDMunch, who is out of town now or I am sure he would have posted this by now.  Anyway, he was shopping around a mall in the State of New York and found these two beauty's behind the display glass.  They had a price tag of $1,299 and along with the display was a posted copy of the retailer's DOJ.  Ummm...I've always been told that the State of New York is one of strictest out there with regards to ownership...so uhh...what gives???

[reho33]

OK, I stand corrected. I guess that document explains it all. If that is the case then expect to see a lot of machines go for this use in the aftermarket, and prices may go up for home users due to the lack of volume....Intresting. I would play one of those machines if it were available at my local store. In order to have gambling, you have to have consideration, chance, and reward, take out any of the 3 and gambling it is not. Have to follow this one to see where it goes.

[reho33]

S+'s , less than 25 yrs old, Hummmmmmmmm, didn't see price tags so maybe they were just for display.

[Bettor Slots]

No as I said, although not pictured they had a price tag on the sides of them for $1,299 each.  Along with that was a copy of the retailer's DOJ.

[Brianzz]

Some of our Ohio people need to go by and see these machines.. like the one mentioned in this pdf file, it says it's a Bally red white & blue 7's but it's an IGT theme?

[reho33]

I guess it's OK if they don't run on coin. There is another "dealer" who says that if it's token in and out, it's legal save CA and LA. My first slot machine was purchased in PA over 10 yrs ago and all I had to do was fill out a piece of paper stating the state I was from and that if I converted it back to coin play, it was illegal in PA. That's it. Some other ones won't sell you s__t unless you have the DOJ, distributors certificate, etc.

[reho33]

Some of our Ohio people need to go by and see these machines.. like the one mentioned in this pdf file, it says it's a Bally red white & blue 7's but it's an IGT theme?

That's what I don't get, how was the board modded? And how do you not get reel tilt errors if you "stop" the reels?? Intresting questions..........

[stayouttadabunker]

Wow! Munch must sh-- when he saw those - at a shopping mall?? 
My god, the seller is asking for a one way ticket to jail!



Judge: "Now what do you have to say for yourself"

Seller: "Duh, I thought they hadda be 25 yrs?    " 

Judge: "That's exactly what you get! The law says: 1945! "

Judge bangs gavel  "Take him away bailiffs"

[reho33]

If I'm from one of the 13 "legal" states, I can buy it and take it back to my state!

[stayouttadabunker]

lol...but why in the world would you pay $1300 hundred bucks for an old S+? 

[Brianzz]

Wow! Munch must sh-- when he saw those - at a shopping mall??  
My god, the seller is asking for a one way ticket to jail!



Judge: "Now what do you have to say for yourself"

Seller: "Duh, I thought they hadda be 25 yrs?   "  

Judge: "That's exactly what you get! The law says: 1945! "

Judge bangs gavel  "Take him away bailiffs"

I thought it said 2.5.. Sure I'm blind in one eye, and my other eye was infected that day from picking at it, and I was tired, and I'd been swimming in a pool with too much chlorine, and that was the hour my glasses were at Lenscrafters but I seen that 2.5 year law

[reho33]

I wouldn't. That price is for the people that are not in the know and don't frequent sites like this. If we told ya what the real value of an s+ was.........well..........you know the rest. BTW, there is a private dealer on Long Island that sells S+'s through Craigs List all the time for like 800 to 1K Don't even know if he has a DOJ or not. But I'm sure Stout could give him some nightmares..........LOL

[stayouttadabunker]

Did New York change the laws so we can sell slots now?
What the heck is going on?
I gotta do some digging around.
Maybe I can start a small business out here????
If so, anybody wanna get in on it?  

Now I need a name for my shop...."Bunker's Blazing 7's"?

[reho33]

Come on now, don't tease us!

[a69mopar]

Some of our Ohio people need to go by and see these machines.. like the one mentioned in this pdf file, it says it's a Bally red white & blue 7's but it's an IGT theme?

Bally also had Red White and Blue Sevens.  The machine must be an S5500 and I'll reserve comment on the findings regarding converting these.

Great post K+ Reed.

Thanks,
Wayne

[stayouttadabunker]

"Reho's 'Rousing Slots!" That's a good name for the shop! lol

[a69mopar]

Maybe I can start a small business out here????
If so, anybody wanna get in on it?  

Now I need a name for my shop...."Bunker's Blazing 7's"?

I'm in!
w

[stayouttadabunker]

Al;right Mopar!
Okay...I gotta get a truck and get your Bally machines down here and we'll make a killin' !!!
uh...I better get a license huh? lol

[a69mopar]

uh...I better get a license huh? lol

I'm not sure they would accept mine there....  I do have IGT Video, Vision and Stepper machines and also a few WMS machines.  I've got some awesome Bally machnes though.
w

[uniman]

Did New York change the laws so we can sell slots now?
What the heck is going on?
I gotta do some digging around.
Maybe I can start a small business out here????
If so, anybody wanna get in on it? 

Now I need a name for my shop...."Bunker's Blazing 7's"?

You'll be changing your name to "Tri-n-tostayouttadaslammer.

[a69mopar]

 

Hilarious one Uniman.  K+

Thanks for the laugh,
Wayne

[Brianzz]

Wayne at those NY prices you'll probably get $8,500 or more for an igame

[stormrider]

As far as I know it's a 25 year old state NY
but looking at the picture both have b/v units which is a NO NO
the RWB looks like it might be working with the b/v lit up.

The Double Diamond looks to have an error code
and the b/v is not lit up and the candle is lit
Doubt it's working ....wonder if the guy knows how to fix it
maybe Bunker should go check this place out and get the real story.


Tim