Reel Tilt error

[kgin504]

Hey guys.....can anyone help me solve a reel tilt error??? 
Here is my story....IGTS+ "hot peppers" 3coin $1

When I first got the machine it had error 12....so I alligator clipped (i don’t solder well) in a new battery...machine cleared error 12 but popped up with error 21
So I ordered some coin-in optics and checked the alignment and function of my door optics.  While waiting on my coin-in machine came up with new error 61 that I couldn’t clear.....so i ordered clear/set chips as well.
Learned from my first machine (which is working fine thanks to everyone on this site).....I next changed the coin-in optics and attempted the clear chip procedure.  With a 3 sec self test error 61 changed to 61-1 after a door open close changed to 65….i thought I finally had it.

But if it weren’t for bad luck I would have no luck at all…haha. Know wonder why I want my OWN slot machine, huh. 

Now I have an error 42 reel tilt error.  I powered down, and pulled reel 2. I then re-adjusted reel 1 and reel 3 to make sure they were plugged in and seated correctly.  Powered back up and still have the same issue. I then switched the plug from reel 2 to reel 1 and now I get a error 41….so I don’t think it is a malfunctioning reel maybe wire harness, plug, or MPU….I have read sometimes the resistors go bad after time on the MPU.  My machine jolts all three reels about an inch each three times before spitting out the errors.    The reels spin free when powered down and jump down in short increments when pulled on with the power on.  Are the wiring harnesses easily found and replaced if need be?  I know I can find spare MPU’s. 

Is there a way to fix this anomaly or will I have to order some more parts?….arghhhhh.

PS does the hopper and coin try have to be installed to clear errors??

 

[jay]

The fact that the error moves with the reel is indicitive of the reel optics having issues.

Before you replace I would use a can of compressed air and a qtip and try and clean.

We have seen a bank of resistors on the corner of the S+ board fail with the burned out one causing the 4x error however in this case if you moved the reel the error would stay with the spot and not move with the reel.

Post back and let us know how you make out.

[knagl]

PS does the hopper and coin try have to be installed to clear errors??

No, they do not.  Do yourself a favor, though, and don't install or remove the hopper with the power on to prevent possible issues.

[knagl]

If memory serves, you have another (working) S+ machine, right?  Take a reel assembly out of the working machine (unplug from the bottom, then slide it towards you) and put it in the machine that's giving you the 42 error (pull the middle reel from that game -- no need to change the reel strips, you're just testing) and see if it fires up.  I suspect it will, and that will confirm that the issue you're having is with the reel assembly.

[stayouttadabunker]

I agree with the above posts.

But check this out guys >>> all he did was move the middle Molex to the left-most reel.
His code went from [42] to [41].
The machine doesn't know he switched the plug.
I don't think both #1 and #2 reels are bad?

What I do think is that the common ground wire for the optics in location #9 in middle Molex is oxidized or broken?
It detects the correct reel position but doesn't "see" the optic slits.

See the highlighted purple #9 common wire
between reel #1 and reel #2 harness in the wiring schematics?
It may the double green w/ black stripe wires.
Click on schematics to enlarge it!!>>>

[knagl]

But check this out guys >>> all he did was move the middle Molex to the left-most reel.
His code went from [42] to [41].
The machine doesn't know he switched the plug.
I don't think both #1 and #2 reels are bad?

I got tripped up with that last night too, Mark, and almost posted the same thing, then it clicked in my brain.

Follow this:

- Reel #2 is bad.
- He swapped the plugs going to reel 1 and reel 2 (now the plug for reel 1 is plugged into the physical reel 2 -- the bad reel).
- He gets a 41 error -- the reel attached to the reel 1 harness (the middle reel) is bad.
- The problem follows the reel, as such, the reel is bad.

Essentially, he swapped the positions of reel 1 and 2 (without physically moving them -- only moving the wiring), and the problem followed the reel.

[CaptainHappy]

But check this out guys >>> all he did was move the middle Molex to the left-most reel.
His code went from [42] to [41].
The machine doesn't know he switched the plug.
I don't think both #1 and #2 reels are bad?

I got tripped up with that last night too, Mark, and almost posted the same thing, then it clicked in my brain.

Follow this:

- Reel #2 is bad.
- He swapped the plugs going to reel 1 and reel 2 (now the plug for reel 1 is plugged into the physical reel 2 -- the bad reel).
- He gets a 41 error -- the reel attached to the reel 1 harness (the middle reel) is bad.
- The problem follows the reel, as such, the reel is bad.

Essentially, he swapped the positions of reel 1 and 2 (without physically moving them -- only moving the wiring), and the problem followed the reel.

Who's on First???

Actually to answer seriously..... I agree with Kevin's answer above... His middle Reel has a problem.

I suggest trying to put a reel from his other machine in place of the suspect reel to verify for sure.

CaptainHappy

OOPS.... I just reviewed the thread and realized that Kevin already suggested using a known good reel from another machine...

If memory serves, you have another (working) S+ machine, right?  Take a reel assembly out of the working machine (unplug from the bottom, then slide it towards you) and put it in the machine that's giving you the 42 error (pull the middle reel from that game -- no need to change the reel strips, you're just testing) and see if it fires up.  I suspect it will, and that will confirm that the issue you're having is with the reel assembly.

[knagl]

Glad you could contribute to the conversation, CH.     

[CaptainHappy]

Glad you could contribute to the conversation, CH.    

After you type all of that in on a cell phone, there is no way that you go back and delete it!  I just wanted to point out that I saw it later so that I was not called a plagiarist!

CH

[stayouttadabunker]

  lolololo

I agree with everybody really   ...I have no bloody clue....!!!!
Swap the reels with known good ones & see what happens kgin!

I'm really interested in seeing what error code he gets if he swaps #3 with #2....

[Jim]

why don't we go back to our original  problem. put all the reels back where they came from and plug all the connectors back to where they came from. since reel #2 is the suspect, inspect the white molex plug and be sure that one of the two plastic parts that hold it in place have not broken, inspect that all the pins within the molex connector are the same height. ( perhaps one of them is pushed down). If all is good with the above, then power up and see what codes you get. If you get a 42 error then swap the #2 REEL with the # 1 Reel and see what the test result is. if the problem is now 41 error then it would seem that the reel assembly is bad, if the 42  error is still present then it would appear that something other than the reel is causing the error code. Lets establish this before we go forward.

Jim

[kgin504]

Been real busy...i will check out this tonight.... Thanks Guys

[StatFreak]

... If all is good with the above, then power up and see what codes you get. If you get a 42 error then swap the #2 REEL with the # 1 Reel and see what the test result is. if the problem is now 41 error then it would seem that the reel assembly is bad, if the 42  error is still present then it would appear that something other than the reel is causing the error code. Lets establish this before we go forward.

Jim

I believe that he's already swapped the #1 and #2 connectors underneath the reels and the problem followed the reel (42 error when plugged in as designed, 41 error when harness 1 was plugged into reel #2 and harness 2 was plugged into reel #1) so wouldn't that would point to reel #2 as the problem?

[StatFreak]

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Now I have an error 42 reel tilt error.  I powered down, and pulled reel 2. I then re-adjusted reel 1 and reel 3 to make sure they were plugged in and seated correctly.  Powered back up and still have the same issue. I then switched the plug from reel 2 to reel 1 and now I get a error 41….so I don’t think it is a malfunctioning reel maybe wire harness, plug, or MPU
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kgin504, after re-reading your post, you said that you switched the plug from reel 2 to reel 1. You DID plug the harness from reel 1 into reel 2, right?
If you left the harness for reel 1 hanging there, then you would get a 41 error no matter what the state of your hardware is.

[kgin504]

YesI did plug both plugs in

[Jim]

that's why I made the suggestion to go back to square one , I ASSuME  he did the same thing you asked about.  But its only typing a few words extra!

Jim

[stayouttadabunker]

Reel #2 is still a suspect.
Have you swapped the plugs between #2 and #3 yet?
If so, what error code did you get?

If you switch the #3 plug with the number #2 reel and get a [43] error code -
then it has to be the 2nd (or middle ) reel is bad.

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[StatFreak]

Bunker, you know how to beat the shell game artist at his own game, right?

When he says, "Now find the ball,"  reach for the first cup and say, "I know it's NOT in this one," then reveal it. Then pick a second cup and say, "and it's NOT in this one," and after lifting it, tell him, "so it must be under that one!" and point to the third.

Of course, don't try this when the guy has a knife, outweighs you by 100lbs, and has several of his associates standing by   unless you're ready to rumble! 

[kgin504]

Sorry it took so long to respond
....i grabbEd a reel out of my working machine and installed it in machine #2.... Error 42 still pops up....
Makes me believe wiring or mpu.... How canI  test?

[stayouttadabunker]

Read this entire thread over and over until you fully comprehend what we tried to tell you.

Tell you what...why don't you swap the known good harness into the problem machine.
If that doesn't work - swap the mpu's and see if it's either the harness, the reels or the MPU's.
Do only [1] swap at a time to find out the root of the problem.

[Jim]

Before you do anything else to the problem machine:  lets eliminate one cause, e.g. the reels.  swap the suspect bad reel from the problem machine and put it in the good machine. See what happens. If the reel is good then your problem is with the wiring or the MPU itself.
Can you enter the test mode on the bad machine? (press white button and get the displays to respond) If the reel is in fact good and you can enter the test mode there are two tests you can preform . 1- before power up, unplug the first reel, apply power, you should get a 49 code in the winners paid. reconnect clear code 49, 42 should come back. do this to the other two reels and observe results. 2- go to the output tests(10-1in the winners paid window) advance to test 40-1, move the reel physically, you will see the 1 change to a zero and back to a 1  as you rotate the reel, advance to 41-1, do same advance to 42-1 and repeat. Observe the results. 
Did this machine ever work?
Did you inspect the inside of the molex connector as I asked you to do? looking for pushed back pins. This is the plug that goes into the reel.
Did you follow the cable from the reels to the motherboard and look for any wires out of the ordinary?

Jim