Ms. LGM - Spectrum

[DorothyMacaw]

I want to put a Spectrum progressive on my Ms. Little Green Men. I just assumed it would work, but I guess some Vision games do not support progressive displays.

Does Ms. LGM support Spectrum progressive displays?

 - Dorothy

[stormrider]

Dorothy,

In the other thread you posted that was my question
if Ms. LGM  even supported a spectrum to start with
that's why I suggested a Mikohn for the scrolling message affect.
If indeed you can't use a spectrum.

For the first time user YES the Mikohn is a real hair puller to setup
the price varies for a stand alone setup anywhere from $50 on up
I have seen them complete for $75 you wouldn't even need the cable from
the main Mikohn board to the machine as the Mikohn won't need to talk to the machine.

You can program a scrolling message with the Mikohn
hooked up to a pc (XP,98 or older)using the psp program of course
then install it where (dpalmi) Dan pointed out the way he did his spectrum.
In my opinion all this might be more trouble than it's worth
why not just get a nice Topper to spice up the machine.

On a side note you could even have the display flip from
a progressive amount say $75,000 then scroll into "Welcome to Dorothy's Game Room"
but the progressive amount would never change of course nor trigger.

And yes to program all that for a first timer
with that stone age psp software would not be fun.

Tim

[Karaoke Mike]

Hi, Ms. L.GM. does not support the spectrum progressive. Sorry

[DorothyMacaw]

Tim and Mike

Thanks for your answers. I guess Mike's answer sums it up. Certainly not what I was expecting or hoping for but at least I know now.

Tim, let me go peruse the Mikhon threads now and see what is going on there.

I do have a 3 reel 3 CM IDOJ, does it support Spectrum progressive?

 - Dorothy

[MrBellMan]

IDOJ does support the Spectrum progressive. Did you forget already?   

[DorothyMacaw]

MrBellMan


I used to have a memory, but I think I misplaced it.   

What a beautiful set up you have there.

If I want to put a Spectrum in the Player tracking area (since I know no one has a topper for sale as nice as the one you have) I need the display and wire harness and follow Dpalmi's great directions?

 - Dorothy

[OhioGaming]

there are more than one type of spectrum .. the S+ one will not work in an S2000

[DorothyMacaw]

Ohio -

Thanks for that information. How do I tell the difference?

I just dropped a note to the seller of the Spectrum display and asked if it was for a S+ or a S2000. Either way it's no major deal. If it works on IDOJ perfect. If not, somebody down the line will want/need it.

I keep expecting things to be "MS plug ' play" and not "roll your own Linux".

 - Dorothy

[DorothyMacaw]

Hi

I found a topper for my IDOJ exactly like the one that MrBellMan has posted above.

The attached s a photograph of my IDOJ's top. I think all the hardware is there, but am not sure.

 Is it just a matter plug and play or do I need additional wiring, providing the topper comes as it does from the factory.

 On a different tangent. When setting it up with the KEY17 menu I assume that a starting value is set and then an incremental value for each coin played. On a $.25 3CM game with a standard 3CM jackpot of 2000, is this where I should start the progressive? Also what value do you think is appropriate each coin played?

 Anybody have a copy of the Key Chip menu - I have a listing, but it only covers the "chapters" not the "sub-chapters" (if that makes any sense) - I'm specifically looking for 7.1.4 the progressive part.

 - Dorothy

[jay]

The starting value for a linked progressive is actually quite the debate in some casino circles.

Assuming a standalone progressive: Starting at the top award value is free as that is what the natural hold of the machine will be based on.
The increment is generally considered a marketing fee and actually written down against casino earnings so for the most part they can then say marketing is 1/8% of earnings.


In the case of a linked progressive (assuming 3 machines connected together) should the progressive be 3x the starting amount ?? since you have 3 machines.
The formula however is widely debated as either B, N or N-1.

The arguement for B (where b= the natural top award) is that you don't give away what you haven't earned.
This makes the most sense to me.

The argument for N (where N= B x Number of machines) is that only 1 machine is the winner

The argument for N-1 is that you are actually holding the more of the casino money.

I think N and N-1 are flawed unless they are using a lower % contribution because of it.

[StatFreak]

Jay, I have to agree that N and N-1, as you name them, are flawed. It doesn't matter how many machines are hooked up: the odds of seeing the top prize don't change.

If 1 in 1000 spins trips the progressive, does it matter whether those 1000 spins are all done on one machine or spread out over 10 machines? Of course not! The only difference in a real casino environment would be that you're giving more customers the opportunity to play at the same time, so you get 100 plays per minute instead of 10 plays per minute (if all the machines are in use).

The jackpot will hit more often simply because the casino is seeing more action on that meter. If you had 10 stand alone progressives all set the same way, you'd end up with the same result in the long run, because the base amount is part of the chip's design and doesn't factor into the progressive, and because the progressive increment is always in direct proportion to the number of credits played.

If the level of play on the machines were the same, they'd be over there paying the same number of progressive jackpots -- only on individual machines, but it wouldn't affect their bottom line.

For the player, it means that everyone is playing for the same prize instead of ten different prizes. Have you ever seen a bank of machines with stand alone progressives where one or two have high jackpots (haven't hit in a while) and the rest have lower jackpots (hit recently)? Naturally, everyone want's to play the ones with the higher progressive. If players choose not to play the machines with lower progressive amounts, that costs the casino money (less action).

[StatFreak]

...
 On a different tangent. When setting it up with the KEY17 menu I assume that a starting value is set and then an incremental value for each coin played. On a $.25 3CM game with a standard 3CM jackpot of 2000, is this where I should start the progressive? Also what value do you think is appropriate each coin played?
...
 - Dorothy

For home use, you can set it any way you like. It depends on whether you're looking for Fantasy or Realism.

If you look at some members' slot pictures in the best wins thread, you'll see pictures three-coin quarter slots with progressives of $200,000 or $1,000,000 plus. I'm sure they also have the increment percentage cranked way up so they can enjoy watching the odometer spin by really fast

If you want realism, set the base amount to the non-progressive top prize ($500 in your example) and then set a decent increment. (The 0.25% to 1% that casinos use SUCKS for home play.) Try something like 5%-7% or even more if you don't mind the final payback being over 100%.

[knagl]

I'm a fan of setting the reset amount to what the normal prize would have been, and then using a nice healthy percent to get the meter to move a few clicks for every coin played.

[StatFreak]

I'm a fan of setting the reset amount to what the normal prize would have been, and then using a nice healthy percent to get the meter to move a few clicks for every coin played.

The CHAMII+ has different options for animating the incrementation. I think that the odometer is the best of them, and it is programmed to run faster as the difference between the displayed amount and the actual amount increases. You're idea definitely makes the best use of that effect. For quarters, you might want to go as high as 99% to really get some action! Of course, that will blow the payback out of the water, but it's only play money. The idea is to then play at a fast pace so that the meter gets going at a good clip.

[DorothyMacaw]

I am buying a IDOJ topper with a Spectrum built in. I need a wiring harness to go from the topper to the Netplex board .... I think.

Dorothy
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[idesign]

If you mean the connections to the "S" shaped plug you are buying a topper without the base that has the proper connections to the candle and the netplex as well as power.  Tell the seller you need the base to go with it.  Then all you need is the harness to go from the base to the netplex distribution board and candle connection.

[DorothyMacaw]

Thanks iDesign.

 I knew you would have the answer for this. K's

 - Dorothy

[idesign]

The base is missing.   The base bolts to the outside of the machine, the topper bolts to the base.  The base has pigtails that go into the top box thru the hole in the top of the top box.  The harness goes from the pigtails to the distribution board and candle wiring to make it complete

[opman]

Dorothy,

Let me know when you get your topper and I will be glad to assist you in making the harness you need to make it work.

Cuchmanman

[knagl]

Edit: Nevermind, I see you have made arrangements to purchase the base you need.

[CaptainHappy]

Edit: Nevermind, I see you have made arrangements to purchase the base you need.

Why? Do you have an extra? I could be in the market? 
CH

[knagl]

Why? Do you have an extra? I could be in the market? 

No, I don't have any either, unfortunately.  I was going to post a couple of pictures I had on my computer of the base, but then saw that it had already been done and a purchase agreed upon, so it was a moot point.  It turned into a "delete this post" type of post, but I couldn't do that. 

[dpalmi]

I don't know if it has been mentioned yet - but FYI - you will need a Key chip to configure the progressive once you get it all connected....

Dan #2

[DorothyMacaw]

Thanks for the reminder Dan

I have a KEY17 chip, so I assume that is the correct chip to program the progressive.

Right not I am waiting on getting the topper and the base in the same location to see what needs to be done as far as the wiring harness.

 - Dorothy

[DorothyMacaw]

Hi

I am almost ready to hook up my IDOJ Spectrum topper. I am wondering how to get to the menu. I did this one time before on my Vision, but that was an entire game change not something as simple as getting to the menu. I'm sure it has nothing to do with having no short term memory.

Here is what I think I know about what I don't know.

1 Unplug the machine, remove the board plug in the KEY17 chip in the ??? socket.

2 insert the board and turn the machine on - look for 2 lights. Turn machine off.

3 Exchange Key17 chip with ???? chip

4 Turn the machine on with the door open ?? closed ???

5 step through the menu until I come to the Netplex portion and make the changes.

6 Turn the machine off and then on and pat meyself on the back after posting pictures.

PLEASE correct me on this.

 - Dorothy