PE+ Multi Poker machine

[stayouttadabunker]

Wow! You learn something new every day!!!     

Did anybody get their little board orders?
As I understand it, it seems like these were going to be mini-produced by some company.
Or did it go south? 
I'd like to see if anybody could make one for me?
Did 2nuts ever make one that worked?

Thanks a biggie to Stat for the great thread from the past! 
I remember reading that but my interest at that time wasn't as high as it
is now since I got a hold of one of these fantastically fun platforms!

It's too bad it's such an old platform and hard to get parts for it that we need to make our
own CAPX's with a modified breadboard reader/programmer adapter.
Still, it's fun as hell trying!

I'm sorry for the million questions I've brought up but it's hard
to contain my excitement for learning something new! 

[StatFreak]

...
I'd like to see if anybody could make one for me?
...

Huh?? 

I had to double check your member name...

[stayouttadabunker]

lol...ummm...I meant ...uh.....I have no idea...
That's the result of typing faster than I think...  
I guess I gotta try and make one...  

[Buzz]

cap chips for peplus
82s147n same as 74s472 and mb1724E
copy using original cap number
burn using new chip number

use allmax prom burner

David  any idea what this means ????????

[Buzz]

Bunker  Your CAP 1321  is used in    Double Double Bonus Poker,  Triple Bonus Poker,  and 8-5 Poker.  I have all of them if you want to change games and see if the color comes alive.  I may even have a 2174 around here, the problem is most of the labels have fallen off and don't know how to read them in the burner. I guess the one I've been playing with I could put it in a machine and see what it looks like. 

[StatFreak]

cap chips for peplus
82s147n same as 74s472 and mb1724E
copy using original cap number
burn using new chip number

use allmax prom burner

David  any idea what this means ????????

Recommending an allmax burner (I guess it handles the voltage requirements of these chips)
Suggests using 82x147n instead of older chips (don't know anything about it or the others listed)
Instructs allmax burner users to set to old chip ID to read the old chip and then to switch to new chip ID before burning.


I think that Stolistic's breadboard to adapt the PE+ to use a 27C64 is a better solution. From what I skimmed there this afternoon, I believe that one would need the breadboard to read the older chip in a modern burner because of pinout differences, even though it shouldn't require higher voltages to read.
<ADD> I re-read it, and there are actually TWO breadboards. One to map the 20 pin chip to 28 pins so that the original can be read in a burner, and one to map the 28 pin chip to 20 pins so that it can be used in the PE+.

I know that the GQ-4X allows the end user to program their own chip configurations. If someone has the pin requirements for the old FXC7291, one might be able to program the GQ-4X to read the chip directly.

[stayouttadabunker]

The info you posted seems to be alternative chips that can be used.
The problem lies with the fact that the AllMax+ burner is an obsolete burner and
not many people have those burners anymore I guess.

That particular burner can do the CAPX chips we're talking about.
Statfreak posted pretty much the same I'm saying here but I'd like to add that
I've been looking around for the past 1/2 hr for those chips
on the internet and don't see those anywhere!

I have to talk to my china connections and see if they have them laying around somewhere.
I agree that Stoli's breadboard would be the better way to go.
I can probably make one in a snap but I'm just wondering if anyone had gotten theirs made from before?
According to an old thread, Stolistic was going to try and get some made but the thread died?

ADD>> I had found this while looking around earlier.
I'll look for the FXC7291 data sheet.
At first, all I got was Spanish License plates...lol>>>

http://www.datasheetcatalog.org/datasheets2/13/135687_1.pdf

[stayouttadabunker]

Bingo!
Found the data sheet on the 74s472 chip.
Ouch! $13 bucks a pop...not cheap chips! lol

http://www.jameco.com/Jameco/Products/ProdDS/48864.pdf

http://www.jameco.com/Jameco/catalogs/c103/P6.pdf

All we gotta do is match up these to Stolistic's drawing and
punch in the leg voltages on the GQ-4X programmer?

[Buzz]

Mark    Doesn't your  ouote unqote machine have good color, except when your in the game choice menu ???   I tryed the chip I've been messing with and you damn sure don't want it. Off ebay I bought a whole set of game chips, just  to get the cap chip, dang thing is a 1321 !!!   

[stayouttadabunker]

Thanks for trying it out Buzz...
That darn CAPX1321 is like mine.
The color ain't bad when playing a game.
You and knagl are right about it looking kinda "brownish-looking" when in the "game choice menu" screen.
I don't mind it though...I'm hardly ever in that screen anyways.

I'm wondering if the bright red colors knagl showed of Stolistic's mame picture
is really only that bright red looking in mame and not of the real PE+ game screen?

[StatFreak]

Bingo!
Found the data sheet on the 74s472 chip.
Ouch! $13 bucks a pop...not cheap chips! lol

http://www.jameco.com/Jameco/Products/ProdDS/48864.pdf

http://www.jameco.com/Jameco/catalogs/c103/P6.pdf

All we gotta do is match up these to Stolistic's drawing and
punch in the leg voltages on the GQ-4X programmer?

I believe that you would have to program the leg requirements (not just voltage, but address and data bus pins) manually into the GQ-4X to be able to read the original chip, following the data sheet specifications. This should work if the GQ-4X is as flexible as they boast, and if it can be set to the needed read voltage(s) of the chip. (Bunker, you can skip this step)

Once you have a working file copy of the chip, you would modify the data into a 512kbit file following Jim's instructions as to any required interlacing and any filling of 0x00s.

You would then set the GQ-4X to a standard 27c512 chip, load the modified file, and burn a standard 27c512 in the standard way.

You would then put that 27c512 into the breadboard and plug that into the PE+ caprom socket.

[Buzz]

Mark Why don't I send you a set of chips for a different game that uses CAP 1321 and see what the color looks like ??? I have one other idea.

[stayouttadabunker]

Mark Why don't I send you a set of chips for a different game that
uses CAP 1321 and see what the color looks like ??? I have one other idea.

Could you do that Buzz? 
I am flabbergasted at your help on this!

I wish Knagl and Stolistic were observing this thread... (where are ya guys??? lol )
I'm sure they would have some answers as well.
I'm really wondering how far they got with the caprom breadboard idea...
Luckily, I do have some of the parts (board sockets, etc) that's needed to construct one.
I'm willing to attempt to make one as Stat is suggesting and see if it will indeed
work as described in that other thread.   

[Buzz]

Mark I sent you a PM

[Buzz]

Bunker I sent it again

[stayouttadabunker]

Something's wrong Buzz...
You must be sending PM's to someone else?

I got your emails earlier this evening about the "supportive wife" ! 
but no PM's...

[StatFreak]

Something's wrong Buzz...
You must be sending PM's to someone else?

I got your emails earlier this evening about the "supportive wife" ! 
but no PM's...

    Okay, I have to agree that the "supportive wife" was the best of them!  He shouldn't have had his "footfeed" pressed down so far.

[knagl]

I'm here!

I'm wondering if the bright red colors knagl showed of Stolistic's mame picture
is really only that bright red looking in mame and not of the real PE+ game screen?

Admittedly it's a little more vibrant in MAME, and as you guys pointed out, it doesn't affect the gameplay colors much, if at all (Jim (Stolistic) told me that IGT tended to keep the card/suit colors in the same place on each CAP chip, so to a point many CAP chips are compatible with many "basic" poker games).

Since you like to tinker, Bunker, I'd highly suggest building one of the conversion devices like Jim built.  You can then burn CAP data files to standard, erasable EPROMs like you already have for your S+ machines.  You wouldn't need a special chip or a special burner, and you could erase and re-program the EPROM as needed to accommodate different CAP requirements.

[stayouttadabunker]

Did you see that Electrolux vacuum cleaner in there?
My mom had one of those when I was a kid...I used it more than her!!!!
That thing sucked everything!!!                                                              








(uh oh...)

[stayouttadabunker]

I agree with you knagl...
I'm going to construct one very soon and give you guys an update.
I just gotta find my breadboard stock laying around somewhere...
Thanks for your thoughtful words.

[StatFreak]

Did you see that Electrolux vacuum cleaner in there?
My mom had one of those when I was a kid...I used it more than her!!!!
That thing sucked everything!!!                                                             



(uh oh...)

We had one of those, too, and it really did suck (in a good way). Jokesters may now come forth.


Actually, I always describe Tugger's purring as sounding like a percolator, or maybe like a little toy boat motor. I never thought of the word percolator as being obsolete until tonight.
Thanks Buzz. (kidding)

Wait! If you think those references make you feel old, look at Google's current graphic.

When you hover over it, the caption reads, "50th Anniversary of The Flintstones"  (9/30/1960) OUCH.

[stayouttadabunker]

I'm trying to install Blackjack onto my PE+ board.
It's a 75703407 REV C 1996 MPU board.
My sockets are marked as:

"Cap Prom" U43
"Data" U66
"Program" U67
"MRO" U77
"MGO" U78
"MBO" U79
"MXO" U80

The Blackjack chips I have are marked as :
 
CAP707 U50
BE0014 U68
MRO-CG2036 U72
MGO-CG2036 U73
MBO-CG2036 U74
MXO-CG2036 U75

Do these BJ chips work on my MPU or do I need a different MPU?
If what board would I need?  

Also, the BE0014 seems to be the oddball chip.
Where would it go on my board...into the "Program" or "Data" socket?

[jay]

There are two different MPU's for the PE+
The older board (320 board ??) and the newer superboard.

The superboard has both a Program and a Data socket while the older board had only a Program Socket.

Blackjack is designed for the older board but any of the old games also work in the Superboard. You simply leave the Data chip out.
You can easily tell the difference because superboard games use a CapX (all the Cap chips have a X in their numbering ) while the regular games don't.

There are also two different sizes of graphic chips 256 and 512 and there is a jumper to change back and forth (I forget where this is) without my notes but you need to set it large for the multi-game sets and small for most everything else. 

[stayouttadabunker]

Thank you Jay, 
It appears that's there are 3 jumpers alongside the 3 Program/Data/Ram sockets.
Presently the sockets are occupied with 27c512 chips so I may not have to move the jumpers.
We'll see when I put the ( 27c512) BE0014 chip into the socket...

[jay]

Just a side note to this as well - you can get a daughter board for the superboard which allows you to create your own multi-game sets.
These games must use the same graphics chips and common data chip.

Blackjack is not a game that you can use as part of a multi-set game as it doesn't play nice with others. I picked up a couple of the older boards and have blackjack permanently setup on one of these older boards so its a quick swap from another set.