Need help with Vision

[stayouttadabunker]

If you take off the back panel and remove the jumper, the LCD will display everything as it's loading.
I'm afraid that won't help you though until you can get all the software correct to run your game.
You might want to get in touch with a vendor and see if they have the software for ya.

This Slingo...I have to see what software you need and post it up here.
That might help you get more help...

[triplediamond]

That would be great if you could post the info on this game, i will get all new chips and video card and then see if it will boot.

[stayouttadabunker]

If you can, turn off the power to your machine and remove the top CF flash card and take a good picture of it.
Please try to use a good camera...not some crappy cellphone pic.
I would like to see what, if anything, is written on it and possibly, what brand of CF flash card is in there.
Try to do the same with your MPU board and show us what chips are presently installed in the sockets.
Oh! I need a picture of your award glass as well...
there are a few different versions of the Slingo game.
Remember, the more you can tell/show us - the better we can help you!
Thanks!

Attached below is an example of what I'm looking at...that's why I need to see your award glass at the very least...
Telling me you have a Slingo is like me telling you I have a Chevy -
could be a Corvette or a Volt...

Click on attachment to enlarge if needed...>>>

[triplediamond]

Roger that,I will take pics and post after work
Thanks for the help
Eric

[triplediamond]

Here are the pics,if you need more clear pics of the board i can do so......sorry the card is upside down

[triplediamond]

More pics

[stayouttadabunker]

Ah! Looks like you have the 10XPay Slingo 3CM game kit in there! 
I can't make out the numbers on that upside down photo of the CF flash card.
Can you tell us what it says?
My eyes aren't what they used to be...

[triplediamond]

I am sorry about the pic i didnt notice it was upside down until it posted
ATA 1.00.24
BGM 00000
       00009
       000010

[stayouttadabunker]

Awesome...!!

okay, before you reinstall the MPU back into the machine.
If you can, try to get some black electrical vinyl tape, cut them about as wide as the top of an eprom chip
and cover up those UV glass windows.
If natural light gets in there for any amount of time, the data contained within will get corrupted
and begin to actually erase itself!
Below is what chips need to be covered up ( I photo-shopped some black lines onto your photograph.)

Also I included a photograph of what's inside under that small glass.
It looks like solar panels that absorb sunlight....those are exactly what that is!
They create electricity within the chip body and start wiping out everything.
The tiny wires from the solar panels go to all the memory blocks inside.

Natural sunlight will erase all the information inside those chips in time!
UV light will corrupt the chip in seconds and will be erased within minutes.

Click on any photo to enlarge if needed...you really want to see the eprom glass photo bigger...lol...>>>

[triplediamond]

So is it possible that these chips may already be bad.....i havent had them exposed for any amount of time...but i would be safe just to get replacements,then i would know what  #'s they actually are

[stayouttadabunker]

I wish you had a chip reader/programmer and we would know for sure if they are any good.
The reader would give us the 4 digit hex number called the checksum -
this number verifies that the chip is okay.

My guess is that they are okay? I hope so.
Cover them up anyways so there can't be any further damage.
It's all you can do at the moment.

I'm looking at some lists right now to see if I can find out what the BGM00009 and BGM000010 would be for.
As far as the ATA CF flash card, it shows that you have
the 1.00.24 OS version for the LCD computer in the topbox, so I think you're okay there.
We still need to figure what is "missing" - according to the error message.

I wonder if we have to reload the LCD computer with the appropriate RFA card?
I know you're not doing a game change but it seems to me that the LCD computer lost it's memory so to speak maybe due to an onboard battery losing it's juice.
Attached below is the instructions I've saved for setting up a Vision from scratch...>>>


4.6 Game Program Change
Use the following procedure to replace game programs in Vision Series
machines equipped with an LCD.
Newer flash memory cards may require more memory in the LCD.
Ensure that the LCD has sufficient memory before changing programs.
1. Turn the machine power off.
2. Remove the processor board from the machine, and remove the
game, stepper base and version PROMs from the processor board
(refer to Section 4.1.1).
3. Remove the Bonus Game Module (BGM) from the LCD (refer to
Section 4.5).
4. Install the new game, stepper base and version PROMs on the
processor board and return the board to the machine (refer to
Section 4.1.1).
5. Install the new sound SIMM board if the machine has stereo sound
(refer to Section 4.2).
6. Install the new BGM in the top slot of the LCD and install the RFA
card in the slot on the left side of the LCD (Refer to Section 4.5).
7. Turn the machine power on. The LCD indicates the status of the
game replacement.
8. When the LCD displays the “Enter new time” prompt, turn the
machine power off.
9. Remove the RFA card and turn the machine power on. When the
VFD indicates that the machine is experiencing a RAM error, turn
the Attendant key.
10. When prompted by the message on the VFD, press the operator
switch on the processor board, hold for two to three seconds, then
release. The game program change is complete when the LCD and
VFD display game play messages.


I'm thinking that if you had the correct RFA card, it may restore your LCD screen function.
It is only needed for the initial start up then it's removed - you don't leave it in the side slot.

[triplediamond]

So Its time to post in the classified section for new chips and both cards for the LCD ?????
anybody comes to mind for vision parts .....
Again i appreciate all the help youve given me

[knagl]

sorry the card is upside down

 

[stayouttadabunker]

Thanks for fixing the pic knagl! 
Hey, I was wrong about the ATA card...it's the RFA card that contains the OS info and that gets installed the first time only then swapped out with the ATA card after uploading to the LCD's memory.

Triplediamond...
Your boss's attract card in the side slot won't work.
All it contains is attraction songs and stuff -
not the OS system...

[stayouttadabunker]

Very strange...This BGM list shows entirely different games for
the BGM00009 and BGM00010 that you have on that CF flash ( PCMCIA) card?
I'm NOT convinced that this list is accurate at the moment... I will keep searching to verify.
However, if it is correct, that would explain the "Missing Components" error being displayed on your screen.

I'm getting >>>

IGT BGM00009 DOOR PRIZE B REL 3 * PCMCIA *
IGT BGM00010 MONEY FACTORY REL 3 * PCMCIA *

I personally have the Bonus Spin RW&B BGM00011 PCMCIA card and it matches this list, so...
you need to get that card read - to see if indeed that is what you have on it.
It may not be matching your chips and won't finish the LCD computer boot up because of it.

This particular list also shows that the Slingo 10XPay PCMCIA CF card should be BGM00155 -
though it doesn't say whether or not if it's for a 2 or 3 coin game.

[stayouttadabunker]

Well,
I got the 10xPay Slingo stuff in the mailbox today Triple Diamond!
I opened up the history folder and saw that someone modified the card in 2007.
That's why it doesn't work...the Flash card won't match the checksum of the original.
BTW the originals are 13Mb in size while yours was 12.9Mb (It's an estimate) -
it was missing the 13kb (.DS_STORE) file to make it work.
Did it EVER work while you've had it?
I'm wondering how the two files were removed from the program?

Anyways, I rearranged the old PCMCIA CF flash card folders similar to the known good copy.
This card is fixed and ready to go out back to you first thing Monday morning!

I'm checking your MPU chips as we speak...good job with the electrical tape!  
At least the UV windows are covered up!


Below is a snapshot from my computer showing your missing Vision file on the flash card.
Click on photo to enlarge...>>>

[stayouttadabunker]

I just checked your 40-pin SB000229 chip.
The game is on an ST M27C4002 chip with 120ns speeds.
Data occupies it up to address line:18100...nice!
Your checksum of: 9BB8 - matches the known good SB chip!

I just checked your AM27C010 32-pin U-44 chip.
It's a Version chip with VS009GX0 written on it.
It's for a single denomination game
and it's checksum is: 0649 - it is good.

I am checking your pair of SG's GME 1 & 2 right now...
Both of them are on ST M27C4001 devices.
Your SG000046's GME 1&2 (U-19 & U-46) made in 1999 are okay but -
you should change those to SG000092's, made in the year 2001.

[triplediamond]

Thats good news ../... Thanks for checking everything out for me 
I never have got the game to do anything before .....so I dont know the story behind the missing file....The guy i got it from bought from another guy and it didnt work then..so my quess is that its been sitting in a garage for awhile.....when i get the chips and the card along with the fresh batteries in the board ...hopefully she will boot and run....will update ...thanks for your help
Eric

[CaptainHappy]

I am checking your pair of SG's GME 1 & 2 right now...
Both of them are on ST M27C4001 devices.
Your SG000046's GME 1&2 (U-19 & U-46) made in 1999 are okay but -
you should change those to SG000092's, made in the year 2001.

Correct me if I am wrong here, but I thought that SG chips were always 8 meg chips, like M27C801's??? I guess that it could be possible that earlier ones were on the 4 meg 8 bit eproms though??? Just curious as I may learn something new here, or point out an oversite???

Actually that makes me wonder as I just encountered a 4 meg CFG simm for an iGame game, and I thought that they were always 8 meg, so anything is possible of course....

CH

[stayouttadabunker]

I don't know Capt, these ones work fine.
His SG chips ARE on M27C4001 chips and I threw them into my Vision machine.
I posted up a short video clip...
The funny thing is I booted up the 10xPay Slingo game forthe first time on my Vision I've JUST put back together
after it being in my closet for over a year!
I played like about 3 or 4 pulls at MAX bet and hit the Bonus round....
who says installing new chips don't pay?  >>>


<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/BMG9-6hAEdI&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/BMG9-6hAEdI&rel=0</a>

[stayouttadabunker]

Here's the rest of the video clip of the 10xPay Slingo game.
I repaired the PCMCIA CF flash card for Triple Diamond as it was missing a file that causes the LCD computer to freeze.

I JUST put together my old Ms.Little Green Men Vision game today to do this test.
I don't even have any fluorescent lights working or a reel glass with proper display installed yet! 
My personal S2000 is fast becoming a Test machine for NLG members again!!   


<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/-Su2sEczzUo&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/-Su2sEczzUo&rel=0</a>

[CaptainHappy]

Thanks for confirming Bunker! I learned something new! Some SG's are 4 meg!

CH

[stayouttadabunker]

There just wasn't a whole lot of stuff on them really.
when looking at the data with my programmer, it doesn't even fully occupy the entire chip on the address lines.
Most of the actual stuff for the game resides on the CF Flash cards in the LCD computer.

I walked up to my machine and it was in an attract mode...so I took a shot of it...>>>


<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/NQl7-7shOn4&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/NQl7-7shOn4&rel=0</a>

Below the video is a snapshot of all the chips and stuff installed...
Looks like it searched for the progressive spectrum display.
Sounds like an option one could add to this game!...>>>

[triplediamond]

Bunker ...You the man....
Thanks for helping out a Vision newbie ....
Will report when i get chips in ...see some """" LIVE ACTION """"
Eric

[stayouttadabunker]

It's not a bad game really...
I hit the Bonus round about 4 times in an hour!  
I got extran spins and when that bloody devil comes out - he takes 'em away! arghhh!!
I have no idea what the awards are without the glass but it fully works! lol