Need help with Vision

[Yoeddy1]

Dang TD!!  I am so glued to this thread, and I'm not even a Vision guy!  I was hoping it was good news for you.  The good thing is that we don't accept defeat as an option out here.  Stay tuned...replies will be coming I'm sure.

Jason

[stayouttadabunker]

Double Dang!
I was so sure it was going to work!  

The good thing is this...we are now certain that your LCD computer works
and is showing that you're missing something like the correct SB, or SG chip.
Do you have the PCMCIA Slingo game software in the top slot?
I think it's in there but the video is very dark.

That error only came up on mine when I was first installing my game for the first time
and I had something wrong with my SB chip or something.
I have to find that thread because that will tell us what had happened.
Brichter had given me a crash course on DOS to get it going...
I lost a lot of sleep and hair doing that...

[stayouttadabunker]

I'd like to add that cowboy posted an important post about 12 Replies ago.
He suggested you pull out the memory stick and give the contacts a good rubbing with a pencil eraser.
Cleaning those contacts will ensure that we're not having problems with the memory RAM of the computer.
It can't hurt and it may help ya!

I've also got in touch with a VIP member that got me a lot of help when I got into the Vision scene a few years ago.
He is invaluable to me and people that own this platform
and knows much more about Visions than I. 

[triplediamond]

Both the cards were in their slots when i started her up.....sorry about the video,that was my first so I will get better as I go......I will clean the contacts in the morning....I cant thank everyone enough for helping me out,you all are a really great group of people      I know eventually we will get the machine running...I look at it this way ,with every error that comes up I am learning more and more on how to fix it..  I will mess around with the machine in the morning as I am moving forward with drinking my dinner tonight   

[stayouttadabunker]

MAke sure those two pins on the left of the two memory sticks has a jumper.
It will help us when you boot up the computer and show how much RAM is installed.
I pulled out on memory stick on mine and got this error and the RSOD!
when I re-inserted the memory stick - the game came back to normal.

I tried  several things this morning to try an re-enact your error on the red screen.
I've pulled plugs and installed wrong BGM game cards on purpose.
Each time I got the proper error on the red screen for whatever I did wrong - on purpose!
I could not get your particular error to come up.
I am going to remove a file from my BGM game folder to see if that will cause a "Missing Component" error.
Below is a snapshot of the error I received when I threw in a Double Diamond Run BGM game card
using Ms.Little Green Men MPU chips.
Of course, you can see in the picture below, the computer is telling me I have the wrong BGM installed.
In the video clip, I pulled out one of the memory sticks...The LCD computer hits the RSOD when it doesn't have enough RAM memory...>>>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/nWJgYZisLck&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/nWJgYZisLck&rel=0</a>

[triplediamond]

This may help ....a little late,but I'm catching up with the videos...this is what it does before I installed the card you just sent me,You may have to forward to 3:15 as the machine just sits there..at the end of the video the machine does the same cycle every 3-4 min

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/vvHlY-KGd7M&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/vvHlY-KGd7M&rel=0</a>..

[stayouttadabunker]

Bingo!
I got the same error as you when I pulled out the BGM game card from the top slot.  
I've successfully re-enacted your errors!  
This error is the same as yours when the two pins are not jumped - we don't get to see anything that's going on on the LCD screen except for the MSverify on the VFD screen and the final error on the red screen.

It takes about 3 min to get to the MSverify again and get this same message again.
So you need to get those pins jumped so we can see the start up stuff.

The good thing is now I am sure your memory sticks are okay because you seeing the "Some Missing Components" error on the red screen and not the "Not Enough RAM Memory" error.
This means your memory sticks are okay. 


Make sure you push down on the BGM game card in the top slot so the plunger pops up.
If you do that, then you know you have it inserted into the computer right.
Remove my RFA card from the side slot- you don't need it anymore.

[triplediamond]

That's not a bad camera phone photo at all! 
How many mega pixels is that puppy? 

Anyways, I've highlighted that 2-pin jumper below in this photoshopped pic here.
I will jump mine tonight ad post a short video clip of the Boot Up mode
and what I see when I power up my machine.

Click on photo below to enlarge if needed...>>>

Ok now Im a little confused.... in this photo the block on the pins doesnt that mean they are already blocked ? I am not getting this jumper issue and how you are able to see the boot up process on the screen...Sorry its all new to me

[stayouttadabunker]

It looks like "bare pins" to me.
You need to install a jumper between them to create continuity for the circuitry to be "jumped".
Go grab one off of an old computer somewhere and shove it onto your pins.
They are like the ones on regular computers that may look like something like these below.
I kinda like the colored ones - they look like my wooden pegs!    ...>>>

[triplediamond]

How do you do this Jumper ....Sorry guys but I dont want to fry something by doing this incorrectly...I know someone has posted a video or pics on this ...but I havent found it yet

[stayouttadabunker]

Okay, Ill be right back....
I removed the jumper on the LCD computer from the other side and put it into the JP1 jumper location...it still worked!
Video clip shortly...>>>

[triplediamond]

Just pulled off the plastic black block off the pins (power off of course) it is all plastic ..no metal at the bottom like in the photo...i will have to go get some ..i dont have an old computer lying around

[stayouttadabunker]

Yeah...a jumper with no metal in it won't "jump" ! 
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Here's a short video clip of how to install it we you get back from radio shack - I also tried
to show you how the PCMCIA card makes the plunger pop up when it's inserted correctly.
Those cards can only go in one way correctly.
Be careful of how you put them in.
Look at the slots on the sides of the card and make sure they're aligned up properly with the slot grooves.

The video clip is in two parts because I had to put the camera own to move the jumper in my pliers
to a better position to insert the sucker behind the memory sticks... ...>>>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/YuQfVA5Klv8&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/YuQfVA5Klv8&rel=0</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/C-6OvMnsAbc&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/C-6OvMnsAbc&rel=0</a>

[idylewild1]

I have seen this message three or four times over the past few years and each time it has been the ATA card was missing some files or the wrong ATA card was in the top of the monitor. I have always booted and played these games with no card in the side. Hope this helps.

[stayouttadabunker]

Yes...once the RFA OS is installed - you almost never need that card back in the side slot.
The problem is:
 I had his software working on mine!
Why wouldn't it work on his now?
I find it disappointing - to say the least!
I'm sure that the software is right because I had all of his software - in my machine.

On a side note...I do NOT remember offhand if I had changed the VS version chip like his VSGXO.
Mine has Version VSGX1 ( for multi-denom)...would the jurisdiction Version chip have anything to do with it?

I still suspect his top card isn't in correctly in the top slot
because I was able to match his error on the red screen.

[triplediamond]

Ok very nice info    I get it now ....I should have pulled that block off to look at it first    Sory I feel like an idiot ...so i have to run around with the family,for awhile I will stop at Radio shack ..are these just generic jumpers i need?

[stayouttadabunker]

yup...plain jane 2-pin computer jumpers.
Get two because you always lose them...

[triplediamond]

Awesome...thanks Bunker...I will be back
Hey I was going to ask .....Are your machines really in your closet...    if so i was going to tell you to bring them out so people to see them....

[stayouttadabunker]

Awesome...thanks Bunker...I will be back
Hey I was going to ask .....Are your machines really in your closet...    if so i was going to tell you to bring them out so people to see them....

  Yup! And they're STAYING in there too!  

[triplediamond]

Got these off the LCD ....Look at the System Battery is dead ...Replace and run setup.....Would this be the problem 

[cowboygames]

Absolutely could be. That's a 2032 battery isn't it?

[triplediamond]

Just to confirm, we are talking about the coin battery back of LCD board ...Lithium 3v BR2335 ?

[cowboygames]

Yep, put a meter on it and check the voltage if you can

[stayouttadabunker]

 
The bloody battery!
Now you see why we wanted you to get that jumper in there!
It's showing stuff that will pinpoint the problem.
You gotta go to Wallmart's now and pick up a watch battery....

I knew your LCD computer was working....but we never could see what the messages
were saying except for the last one in the red screen.

There's a way to scroll through all that stuff line by line but it has to be hooked up to a keyboard to do that.
Great eyes by cowboy for picking up the dead battery message line!
That is very important..."System Battery Is Dead- Replace and Run SETUP"
"SETUP" is my RFA card back in the side slot again.

You RAM memory (636k) is all good.
Once you get the new battery in, run the RFA card in the side slot one more time until you get to the clock/time/date message then turn off the machine and pull out the side lot RFA card.
Your game SHOULD be up...( I'm keeping my fingers crossed all night...lol)


Who's got the argyle sweater on? 

[stayouttadabunker]

uh oh...there's nothing on the "Hard Disk 0 : NONE" in the second photo...
that's NOT good.

I think it's not reading  the BGM card in the top slot.
That would explain the error message...>>> "Missing Some Required Components" error in the red screen.

You're going to have to check...it's very possible someone forced the card partially down backwards and bent the pins that are standing straight up.
If just one little itty bitty pin is bent and NOT entering the BGM game card - you will get the Missing Required Components" message because the LCD computer cannot read the PCMCIA card.
You're going to have to check the upright pins in that slot and see if any are bent.

so now it looks like we have a couple of possible problems....

That's why I was saying earlier...you got be careful inserting those flash cards.
Someone else could have done that before you and that's why you and the seller never saw the machine running.
It could also very well explain why your cards work in my machine - but not yours.