DOJ REGISTRATION

[stayouttadabunker]

nah..That's okay!...I believe there's nothing wrong with what you're saying reho...
I wish we could play with our machines without having eyes in the back of our heads all the time too.

I really believe there should be an ammendment to the slot laws in every state since
just about every state runs some type of gambling...
If the states cannot have slots, then all they do is have the tribal entities open a casino up...
The tribes are really state employees and get paid by the state they're in- every 2nd Thursday.
It's just loophole in the federal laws where they use the tribal Indians as a false storefront while
they rake in the cash.

Home ownership of slot machines could all work into the states' favor too...
playing these machines at home only really make you want to go out to a "sanctioned"casino and try and win for "real"...
Home ownership would enhance the states' coffers tremendously....

[reho33]

Maybe if the law were written that you agree to a few things like

1)You agree not to use the slot for gambling of any kind.
2)You agree that the machine will not be accessable to the general public.
3)You agree to get a DOJ certificate.
4)If the local jurisdiction wants your machines seriall #, etc, charge a yearly fee, that would be reasonable.
5)You agree not to use US currency, tito or token in/out.

This would be reasonable, most of us would comply, no biggie. I just thought that in NM it is weird that a slot can be used at home and anybody can "keep their winnings" So I guess that means that if people come and put money in and play and win, it's OK?????? Isn't that gambling? And the part about not importing or moving. I would challenge that in court because the DOJ is your right to ship and receive machines in interstate commerce. The NM Gaming Board are just sore losers because the court found for the defendant. So the decided to make everyones life miserable. They suck.
     If marijuana is going to come off the books (I do not advocate drug use of any kind) and it will, then most lawmakers will see the silliness of such laws on gaming devices and dump them altogether. OK, no more talk on this subject (at least not for tonight)

[jdkmunch]

It's ridiculous -  states where slots are illegal should also outlaw dice and a deck of cards.


I agree the laws should be amended.    

If GAMBLING is taking place you should loose all your machines and pay thousands in finds/taxes and go to jail.  To enforce this anyone can turn in a gamboling operation and get a hefty reward.

[brichter]

That will never happen in California because the enlightened legislators here understand that criminals would never commit a crime unless:
1: They had a rough childhood, in which case it's not really the criminal's fault or
2: The criminal had in their possession any object that was during the commission a crime, because the object was just so full of evil that the criminal really had no choice other than commit the crime. In that case, it's not really the criminal's fault.

So, the state believes that by only allowing children to be raised according to their standards, and eliminating all evil objects, they will eliminate all crime. Simple, no? 

[reho33]

What's to stop me from taking bets on PacMan. I could invite people to my house and bet one team against another, for money. It is just as sinister as crack-cocaine. I consider the matter closed. I didn't mean to hijack the thread. I guess if anyone is intrested, I could start a separate thread about this. Anyone who feels strongly about this subject should join the thread and write the congressmen/senators that represent you and politely ask that the laws be amended to accommodate us law-abiding citizens in this matter. I don't feel that I should be labeled as a criminal/offender for enjoying a game. Peace out!

[reho33]

Cull -e fornia (as AHnold would say) don't get me started............ Having a pachislo in CA is a crime  too........

[slotsteve]

It's ridiculous -  states where slots are illegal should also outlaw dice and a deck of cards.


I agree the laws should be amended.   

If GAMBOLING is taking place you should loose all your machines and pay thousands in finds/taxes and go to jail.  To enforce this anyone can turn in a gamboling operation and get a hefty reward.

So if the guy next door to you  has a few slots and lets  his pals play for money you would RAT  him out, Being a rat is not a good thing,  my wife and I play our slots every nite with real money if  someone  ratted on us and they checked  cash boxes  we should go to jail? pay finds? pay more taxes,  god I can,t beleave you would even post  that here or anywhere

[jdkmunch]

If you read the post I said Gambling - And you damn right I'd turn you in.  If I saw people coming and going from your house every night and saw that it was a gamboling operation I'd have your ass locked up in a second.  

Just like I would for - drugs, prostitution.

Please read the definition of gamboling and repost.  I don't think getting your own money out of the slot is gamboling.  

[Neonkiss]

Please read the definition of gamboling and repost.  I don't think getting your own money out of the slot is gamboling.  

gam·bol    (gām'bəl)  
intr.v.   gam·boled or gam·bolled, gam·bol·ing or gam·bol·ling, gam·bols
To leap about playfully; frolic.
n. A playful skipping or frolicking about.

If I saw you Gamboling out of your neighbors house, I might think you were on drugs, or trashed        


Sorry, I couldn't help myself.   

[jdkmunch]

Lol!!

[CommTech]

Maybe if the law were written that you agree to a few things like

1)You agree not to use the slot for gambling of any kind.
2)You agree that the machine will not be accessable to the general public.
3)You agree to get a DOJ certificate.
4)If the local jurisdiction wants your machines seriall #, etc, charge a yearly fee, that would be reasonable.
5)You agree not to use US currency, tito or token in/out.

I believe your first two points are reasonable.
Unless your are selling or maybe transporting these machines across state lines, then 3 would not be needed.
Number 4 is just plane unreasonable! Would you agree that your local government should charge an annual fee for any VIDEO GAME that emulates gambling? No? Whats the difference between a home slot machine (used for fun) and the video games you buy in the store that does the same things?  Nothing!
And as far as number 5 ... Who cares what form of currency or non-currency you use to play with, as long as your not gambling?

There are already laws on the books concerning gambling. There wouldn't need to be any additional laws to regulate home slot machines.

I also agree with Stout, that legalising home slot machines would ENHANCE Casino and STATE  revenue, not hurt it.

[jdkmunch]

I would like to apologize for my misspelling!   (One more reason to hate IE…. My firefox has a built in spell checker.)  Anyway I find it most interesting that there are two spellings.  I recently found out that the Protestant 10 commandments split the first two and the Catholic version split the last two (covet thy neighbors wife and covet thy neighbors goods)   - - Does this mean that there are really only 8 commandments? 

gam·bol (gmbl)
intr.v. gam·boled or gam·bolled, gam·bol·ing or gam·bol·ling, gam·bols
To leap about playfully; frolic.
n.
A playful skipping or frolicking about.


gam·ble (gmbl)
v. gam·bled, gam·bling, gam·bles
v.intr.
1.
a. To bet on an uncertain outcome, as of a contest.
b. To play a game of chance for stakes.
2. To take a risk in the hope of gaining an advantage or a benefit.
3. To engage in reckless or hazardous behavior: You are gambling with your health by continuing to smoke.
v.tr.
1. To put up as a stake in gambling; wager.
2. To expose to hazard; risk: gambled their lives in a dangerous rescue mission.
n.
1. A bet, wager, or other gambling venture.
2. An act or undertaking of uncertain outcome; a risk: I took a gamble that stock prices would rise.
 

[Neonkiss]

You know I was just funning you.... 

I think that's why were all happy and full of joy when we win  while Gambling, Because were Gamboling 

[StatFreak]

You know I was just funning you....  

I think that's why were all happy and full of joy when we win   while Gambling, Because were Gamboling  

Actually, I think that you would gambol because you won at gambling.


Hey, is this the time to bring up the difference between lose and loose again?

Here is an example of the correct usage of both words, although the word loose, when used to refer to a "loose slot", is slang. The sentence, however, fits our forum well:  Did you lose money playing the slot machine because it didn't have a loose pay table?

lose
Pronunciation: \ˈlüz\
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): lost \ˈlȯst\; los·ing \ˈlü-ziŋ\
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English losian to perish, lose, from los destruction; akin to Old English lēosan to lose; akin to Old Norse losa to loosen, Latin luere to atone for, Greek lyein to loosen, dissolve, destroy
Date: before 12th century

ADD> loser (pronounced \ˈlü-zər\ is also correct, although not mentioned here (because it is a noun, not a verb). Def: One who loses, especially consistently. Ex: "He is a loser."  SF

transitive verb 1 a : to bring to destruction —used chiefly in passive construction <the ship was lost on the reef> b : damn <if he shall gain the whole world and lose his own soul — Matthew 16:26(Authorized Version)>
2 : to miss from one's possession or from a customary or supposed place
3 : to suffer deprivation of : part with especially in an unforeseen or accidental manner
4 a : to suffer loss through the death or removal of or final separation from (a person) b : to fail to keep control of or allegiance of <lose votes> <lost his temper>
5 a : to fail to use : let slip by : waste <no time to lose> b (1) : to fail to win, gain, or obtain <lose a prize> <lose a contest> (2) : to undergo defeat in <lost every battle> c : to fail to catch with the senses or the mind <lost what she said>
6 : to cause the loss of
7 : to fail to keep, sustain, or maintain <lost my balance>
8 a : to cause to miss one's way or bearings <lost himself in the maze of streets> b : to make (oneself) withdrawn from immediate reality <lost herself in daydreaming>
9 a : to wander or go astray from <lost his way> b : to draw away from : outstrip <lost his pursuers>
10 : to fail to keep in sight or in mind
11 : to free oneself from : get rid of <dieting to lose weight>
12 slang : regurgitate, vomit —often used in such phrases as lose one's lunchintransitive verb 1 : to undergo deprivation of something of value
2 : to undergo defeat <lose with good grace>
3 of a timepiece : to run slow

— los·able \ˈlü-zə-bəl\ adjective

— los·able·ness noun

— lose ground : to suffer loss or disadvantage : fail to advance or improve

— lose it 1 : to lose touch with reality; also : to go crazy
2 : to become overwhelmed with strong emotion : lose one's composure <so angry I almost lost it>

— lose one's heart : to fall in love



loose
Pronunciation: \ˈlüs\
Function: adjective
Inflected Form(s): loos·er; loos·est
Etymology: Middle English lous, from Old Norse lauss; akin to Old High German lōs loose — more at -less
Date: 13th century

1 a : not rigidly fastened or securely attached b (1) : having worked partly free from attachments <a loose tooth> (2) : having relative freedom of movement c : produced freely and accompanied by raising of mucus <a loose cough> d : not tight-fitting
2 a : free from a state of confinement, restraint, or obligation <a lion loose in the streets> <spend loose funds wisely> b : not brought together in a bundle, container, or binding c archaic : disconnected, detached
3 a : not dense, close, or compact in structure or arrangement b : not solid : watery <loose stools>
4 a : lacking in restraint or power of restraint <a loose tongue> b : lacking moral restraint : unchaste c : overactive; specifically : marked by frequent voiding especially of watery stools <loose bowels>
5 a : not tightly drawn or stretched : slack b : being flexible or relaxed <stay loose>
6 a : lacking in precision, exactness, or care <loose brushwork> <loose usage> b : permitting freedom of interpretation
7 : not in the possession of either of two competing teams <a loose ball> <a loose puck>

— loose·ly adverb

— loose·ness noun

ADD> looser (pronounced \ˈlü-sər\ is a valid word, but is VERY RARELY USED (correctly). Ex: "John's knot is tied looser than Mary's knot."  SF

gam·ble (gmbl)
v. gam·bled, gam·bling, gam·bles
v.intr.
1.
a. To bet on an uncertain outcome, as of a contest.
b. To play a game of chance for stakes.
2. To take a risk in the hope of gaining an advantage or a benefit.
3. To engage in reckless or hazardous behavior: You are gambling with your health by continuing to smoke.
v.tr.
1. To put up as a stake in gambling; wager.
2. To expose to hazard; risk: gambled their lives in a dangerous rescue mission.
n.
1. A bet, wager, or other gambling venture.
2. An act or undertaking of uncertain outcome; a risk: I took a gamble that stock prices would rise.

It's interesting that for noun 2 they chose the stock market for their example, because the verb intransitive definition 2, "To take a risk in the hope of gaining an advantage or a benefit," certainly encompasses investing in the stock market, unless one has insider information.

[reho33]

Gambol! I just have to confess.............Mom, Dad, I SCREWED the casino by having my own slot machine.........

Sometimes the abuse of slots is just not that obvious: Call 1-800-Turn-my-azz-in to stop the illegal use of slots, day or night
 Brought to you by The New Mexico Gaming and Gestapo Commission, Dedicated to taking your games from you, what ever they are, and destroying them in a land fill........................... If you have a Monopoly set, we will get you.

 

Here is a link to a tee shirt that says "Mom and dad, I screwed the telephone company.................
http://www.phonelosers.org/images/order_tshirt2_back_big.jpg?phpMyAdmin=Am5GtwN9B1d5U07871O3b%2CHSiG8&phpMyAdmin=10c4a8582act2e83b170

I would like to get that design but have it say "Mom, Dad, I screwed the casino............."

[jay]

Just building on that idea.......Would you not think that one way of managing problem gaming would be to put a machine in someones home .... let them play it until the novelty wore off....

Think of it like a methadone clinic......

[Neonkiss]

There are already laws on the books concerning gambling. There wouldn't need to be any additional laws to regulate home slot machines.

I also agree with Stout, that legalising home slot machines would ENHANCE Casino and STATE  revenue, not hurt it.

I couldn't agree more.

Also for those who live in States where a machine has to be of a particular age before it is considered legal, Think about this.
I have see State Statues written it law that when they were enforced it went to the Supreme Court of the State.
The one particular law that I'm thinking of had to do with building protection based upon the age of the building.
A group of people (The Small Hotel and Motel Asso.) sued the State claiming a hardship on the cost of the upgrades to all these buildings. The Supreme Court of the State told them at the end of the trial, Not only did we (The State) tell you to up-date these building when we wrote this State Statue, But I'm here in this Court of law telling you to have your people up-date these buildings..

Well you would think that a Judge from the State Supreme Court would be the final answer.
6 day later they filed and appeal based upon Age Discrimination and won. This Judge ordered that this Statue can not be enforced with its current language.
To date this Statue is still on the books and no one has taken the initiative to re-write this law or have it removed.

If you get busted for just the possession of a slot machine because of it's age, I wounder if you could get out of it because it is AGE DISCRIMINATION.
A 5 year old machine does the same thing as a 30 year old machine, so what's the difference? It has to be all or none.

Just my 2 cents.

[Billythekid]

If you read the post I said Gambling - And you damn right I'd turn you in.  If I saw people coming and going from your house every night and saw that it was a gamboling operation I'd have your ass locked up in a second. 

Just like I would for - drugs, prostitution.

Please read the definition of gamboling and repost.  I don't think getting your own money out of the slot is gamboling. 

Quite frankly why would you be so uptight about GAMBLING on a slot?  At least in California, your neighbor could hold a big poker game every night of the week, that is gambling too but not illegal, so there's nothing you could do about it. My friend has a twice a week poker game with 60 plus people.. Tournament pots get up to $1500 for first place $800 second and on.  You must just be a stikler for obeying every single law out there. There are lots of them most people don't even know about and I'm sure you break them all the time...

[reho33]

Again, like Op-Bell said, most states just copied CA's statute and went with it. And also, you are just as guilty of gambling whether it is a modern S2000 or an 1899 Liberty Bell. Is a knife less dangerous being 100 yrs old, or just new. In NYC the only legal way to possess a switchblade knife is if you are disabled and only have one arm. The theory is that if you had 2 hands, you could open the knife but if you only had one, well, you get the idea. Again, I did not mean for this to be a soapbox on slot laws but I think that if we are to retain our rights in the future, we need to take up the mantle and write the letters, make the phone calls, etc. It is ironic, that in CA, where slots were invented by Charles Fey, you would think that the state would want to protect peoples right to own them. After all, it is part of California's history. I don't think medical marijuana is though......... In response to your comments about giving a gambling addict a  home slot.......it's the act, not the venue. If your drunk at home or in a bar, makes no difference, the end result is the same, addictive behavior. So getting back to the thread topic, I have my DOJ for 2009 and will apply Dec 1 for 2010.
     By the way, has anyone here ever played Left-Right-Center?

[brichter]

At least in California, your neighbor could hold a big poker game every night of the week, that is gambling too but not illegal, so there's nothing you could do about it.

Actually, I think that is illegal in California.

[slotsteve]

Whenl i got poped in mid 70,s in  nj there was no slots  legal  then came ac and they had a pre 1941 law   we were able to get all back that didn,t have any power cords going to them , only lost 2  jenning  standups  with hoppers , that bust was good for us we sold them for a big profit after we got them back and they were legal

[stayouttadabunker]

Hate to remind you of your wild, younger days Slotsteve but,
what was the penalty at that time in NJ?

[reho33]

penalty? Death with the possibilty of exumation...............

[slotsteve]

Hate to remind you of your wild, younger days Slotsteve but,
what was the penalty at that time in NJ?

6 months on each charge  i think there was 3  they took 90 slots out of our cellar got 88  back  but they wouldn,t bring them back we had to get them it never went to court was a plea deal , this was a load from england sega , jennings  , mills  , we had the doj  but nj  didn,t care  then came  slots in ac and the law changed pre 41

[stayouttadabunker]

So the court of New Jersey looked at your DOJ and basically said...
"what's this piece of paper?"

I think I understand why...
The DOJ's are federally "insured" but meant squat in the state you reside in...
Hmm...makes me want to go pick one up!....